Brad Treliving - GM Tracking & Evaluation

[travel_dude]

11 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

Because if the season goes greatly then it's also on him too.  If it goes badly then it proves he's assembled a team that only looks good on paper but not in practice.  I'm not even saying the moves look bad, then actually look great.  Let's see how it translates first.

 

I don't think it matters one way or the other.  He wasn't really blamed for the team losing to the Oilers.  Maybe he picked the wrong horses with Jarnkrok and Carpenter, but those were rolls of the dice.  Not doing anything would have been seen as more of a failure.

 

The same is true of this season.  Remaining cap neutral while adding three talents, losing a guy who changed his mind, being forced to trade a guy that didn't want to sign.  Judge him after two years, not after a retool summer.  Maybe he gets a one year extension.  Maybe they do the same with Sutter.  The two are linked together in getting this team some success. 

[phoenix66]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

I don't think it matters one way or the other.  He wasn't really blamed for the team losing to the Oilers.  Maybe he picked the wrong horses with Jarnkrok and Carpenter, but those were rolls of the dice.  Not doing anything would have been seen as more of a failure.

 

The same is true of this season.  Remaining cap neutral while adding three talents, losing a guy who changed his mind, being forced to trade a guy that didn't want to sign.  Judge him after two years, not after a retool summer.  Maybe he gets a one year extension.  Maybe they do the same with Sutter.  The two are linked together in getting this team some success. 

I'm kind of in the same boat.. but even with success on the ice I don't see him getting all the kudos when things go great . To me the gm gets judged for the offseason .the coach gets the tag for the season with a bit of overlap.. 

Carpenter was a good add . Sutter chose not to use him for some reason.. we needed a center for the run, Jarnkrok fit the bill. 

Does the gm provide the tools for the coach to use .that's where I judge the gm.. also understanding what the coach needs .. that's where I think he has grown . BT always had a vision of how he wanted this team to look like and play..then had coaches who didn't know how his pieces fit together . Peters wouid have been a good coach , but the pivot to Sutter finally made that right. It's easy to see if Sutter needs something, he goes and gets it .. so the communication is good . 

 

Before the offseason came unravelled our goals were a 2nd line center .he's fixed that..  losing Chucky opened up a top rw spot .. that's next or it may very well be solved in house 

[travel_dude]

24 minutes ago, phoenix66 said:

Before the offseason came unravelled our goals were a 2nd line center .he's fixed that..  losing Chucky opened up a top rw spot .. that's next or it may very well be solved in house 

 

It was painfully obvious that we needed a 2C.  We have two top 6 capable players that could be ready eventually.  The timeline isn't obvious, though.  We have three C's that are ready today and we can bring in the new guys as needed to "learn" the NHL game under the vets.  Not being forced to play a top 6 spot.  If they are ready, fine.  If not we have plan A available.

 

BT still has some work to do.  Figuring out how to best juggle 10 D.  Deciding what is more pressing, a top 6 winger or having three top 4 D for LD.  Finding the balance so that Sutter doesn't have to use Lucic unless that is what works.  Same for Lewis and Rooney, who are really specialists.  Rooney better on the PK.  Lewis a good forechecker and lesser leader.  TBH, we have more than a couple of cup winners.  The leaders on the ice.  The big hit guy is still here and can be used to turn around a game, if we need that.

 

As much as I pencil in Pelletier and Ruzie, it will depend on how they show up in camp.  Pelts is going to do everything he can and not play just the role as the filler prospect on a line.  Ruzie needs to show up jacked and ready to play.  They all have to be ready to excel in a spot that is not the norm for them.  Winger or defensive mover.  Whatever. 

[crazyflames]

11 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

It was painfully obvious that we needed a 2C.  We have two top 6 capable players that could be ready eventually.  The timeline isn't obvious, though.  We have three C's that are ready today and we can bring in the new guys as needed to "learn" the NHL game under the vets.  Not being forced to play a top 6 spot.  If they are ready, fine.  If not we have plan A available.

 

BT still has some work to do.  Figuring out how to best juggle 10 D.  Deciding what is more pressing, a top 6 winger or having three top 4 D for LD.  Finding the balance so that Sutter doesn't have to use Lucic unless that is what works.  Same for Lewis and Rooney, who are really specialists.  Rooney better on the PK.  Lewis a good forechecker and lesser leader.  TBH, we have more than a couple of cup winners.  The leaders on the ice.  The big hit guy is still here and can be used to turn around a game, if we need that.

 

As much as I pencil in Pelletier and Ruzie, it will depend on how they show up in camp.  Pelts is going to do everything he can and not play just the role as the filler prospect on a line.  Ruzie needs to show up jacked and ready to play.  They all have to be ready to excel in a spot that is not the norm for them.  Winger or defensive mover.  Whatever. 

BT is not gonna count on Pelletier and Ruzie at this point, too much uncertainty.  If he has made such gamble short-term, the win is now.  He will get top 6 forward for sure, the question is what do we need to give up, most likely D.  I don’t think he will touch another forward, we don’t have enough forward at this point.

[Heartbreaker]

I don't normally say things like this, but I think maybe we should all go to Boston Pizza.

 

 

Love.

[jjgallow]

BT has redeemed himself in at least the short term, I must admit I thought he'd be cooked this upcoming season.

 

I still have a list of complaints, it's what I do, the highlights:

 

Gaudreau is obviously the biggest complaint and was entirely avoidable.   

       BT "fixed" this.   With older players and bad contracts.   But in terms of the current on-paper product, yes. Fixed.

 

Tkachuk.   Same as above.   

 

Monahan.   How did we lose Monahan and pay a first rounder to do it?   Two things:
                  1.   In order for BT to "fix" his mistakes above, he was forced into this.  

                  2.   He made the same mistakes with Monahan that he made with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.
                         Could have traded him even a year ago for an asset.   Or earlier for a big return.
                         When Sutter says" I gonna move him to the 4th line", that's when BT should reallize he has a job to do immediately.    If not earlier with the injuries.  I always figured we'd keep Monahan and go into a rebuild.  So I was never an advocate of trading him.   But given BT's direction he got nailed pretty good on this one too.

 

My list is actually much longer but those are the big 3 from this off-season.    And in the same breath, he is very much redeemed with Huberdeau and Kadri.  For now.   

[rickross]

36 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

BT has redeemed himself in at least the short term, I must admit I thought he'd be cooked this upcoming season.

 

I still have a list of complaints, it's what I do, the highlights:

 

Gaudreau is obviously the biggest complaint and was entirely avoidable.   

       BT "fixed" this.   With older players and bad contracts.   But in terms of the current on-paper product, yes. Fixed.

 

Tkachuk.   Same as above.   

 

Monahan.   How did we lose Monahan and pay a first rounder to do it?   Two things:
                  1.   In order for BT to "fix" his mistakes above, he was forced into this.  

                  2.   He made the same mistakes with Monahan that he made with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.
                         Could have traded him even a year ago for an asset.   Or earlier for a big return.
                         When Sutter says" I gonna move him to the 4th line", that's when BT should reallize he has a job to do immediately.    If not earlier with the injuries.  I always figured we'd keep Monahan and go into a rebuild.  So I was never an advocate of trading him.   But given BT's direction he got nailed pretty good on this one too.

 

My list is actually much longer but those are the big 3 from this off-season.    And in the same breath, he is very much redeemed with Huberdeau and Kadri.  For now.   

Every GM has a list of mistakes they’ve made. I think overall BT has done a good job mitigating his miss steps. I like Monny but Monnys stubborness became a major liability to this team. He wasn’t forthcoming about a lot of his injuries to the point where he’s forced so many surgeries it’s derailed his career. It’s hard to trade a player who likely won’t pass a physical. I honestly blame Sean Monahan for his own current state of affairs. BT isn’t perfect but he’s proven he can be in the upper echelon of GMs in the NHL. I still consider BT a strong asset to this team, we’ll have to see how all these changes turn out before we pass judgement on this wild off season. 

[conundrumed]

36 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

BT has redeemed himself in at least the short term, I must admit I thought he'd be cooked this upcoming season.

 

I still have a list of complaints, it's what I do, the highlights:

 

Gaudreau is obviously the biggest complaint and was entirely avoidable.   

       BT "fixed" this.   With older players and bad contracts.   But in terms of the current on-paper product, yes. Fixed.

 

Tkachuk.   Same as above.   

 

Monahan.   How did we lose Monahan and pay a first rounder to do it?   Two things:
                  1.   In order for BT to "fix" his mistakes above, he was forced into this.  

                  2.   He made the same mistakes with Monahan that he made with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.
                         Could have traded him even a year ago for an asset.   Or earlier for a big return.
                         When Sutter says" I gonna move him to the 4th line", that's when BT should reallize he has a job to do immediately.    If not earlier with the injuries.  I always figured we'd keep Monahan and go into a rebuild.  So I was never an advocate of trading him.   But given BT's direction he got nailed pretty good on this one too.

 

My list is actually much longer but those are the big 3 from this off-season.    And in the same breath, he is very much redeemed with Huberdeau and Kadri.  For now.   

Yeah I don't think so bud.

Gaudreau: JG NEVER made his intentions clear. How was BT supposed to know?

Tkachuk: Same as above. He had every intention to re-sign both of them. Both were deceptive with their intentions. How is BT supposed to know that both aren't actually talking to him in good faith?

Monahan: Philly wanted JG but weren't willing to give up a 1st to lose JVR. Philly is an incredibly bad, poorly managed team. Both Mony and Lucic were going to be cap dumps. If it was last year or 2 years ago, they were always going to be cap dumps. You pay a premium. A 2nd rd would have been great, but now you have Kadri wanting to join, it becomes a 1st if you want Kadri on your team.

Why people thought Mony/Lucic would garner return is waaaay beyond me. It wasn't realistic, at all.

So now, you're using hindsight to your benefit. But who has a crystal ball? No one does, but you think BT should.

So what? Should have traded all 3, 3 years ago? You're not being fair. Should he have known? Sure he should have.

But people not being forthcoming with him led to this. You can't blame him for for being deceived by his 2 star players. 

I'm just so happy that they're gone. Completely demolished trust. We're way better without them.

Karma will be a BTC.

You can't blame BT for getting Blockchained over at the negotiating table.

[jjgallow]

27 minutes ago, rickross said:

Every GM has a list of mistakes they’ve made. I think overall BT has done a good job mitigating his miss steps. I like Monny but Monnys stubborness became a major liability to this team. He wasn’t forthcoming about a lot of his injuries to the point where he’s forced so many surgeries it’s derailed his career. It’s hard to trade a player who likely won’t pass a physical. I honestly blame Sean Monahan for his own current state of affairs. BT isn’t perfect but he’s proven he can be in the upper echelon of GMs in the NHL. I still consider BT a strong asset to this team, we’ll have to see how all these changes turn out before we pass judgement on this wild off season. 

 

IMHO blaming players is good for day-to-day operations but not so good at the management level.

 

Have a quick look at the number of first rounders the Flames "developed" that ended up injured.   It's not just a Monahan thing.   Many on here will disagree with me which is of course very shocking lol, but imho the Flames do have a long-standing history of not having a lot of top prospects ("win now") and rushing them when they do get one.

 

Monahan could have stood for a year in the AHL to learn about professional hockey, as could a number of other prospects they rushed into the lineup in a "sink or swim" fashion.   The players we had the most success with are the ones who chose a different development path (Gaudreau, etc).

 

But, I can't just blame BT for this either as for Monahan it went down before his time.

[jjgallow]

Just now, conundrumed said:

Yeah I don't think so bud.

Gaudreau: JG NEVER made his intentions clear. How was BT supposed to know?

Tkachuk: Same as above. He had every intention to re-sign both of them. Both were deceptive with their intentions. How is BT supposed to know that both aren't actually talking to him in good faith?

Monahan: Philly wanted JG but weren't willing to give up a 1st to lose JVR. Philly is an incredibly bad, poorly managed team. Both Mony and Lucic were going to be cap dumps. If it was last year or 2 years ago, they were always going to be cap dumps. You pay a premium. A 2nd rd would have been great, but now you have Kadri wanting to join, it becomes a 1st if you want Kadri on your team.

Why people thought Mony/Lucic would garner return is waaaay beyond me. It wasn't realistic, at all.

So now, you're using hindsight to your benefit. But who has a crystal ball? No one does, but you think BT should.

So what? Should have traded all 3, 3 years ago? You're not being fair. Should he have known? Sure he should have.

But people not being forthcoming with him led to this. You can't blame him for for being deceived by his 2 star players. 

I'm just so happy that they're gone. Completely demolished trust. We're way better without them.

Karma will be a BTC.

You can't blame BT for getting Blockchained over at the negotiating table.

 

[conundrumed]

1 minute ago, jjgallow said:

 

What is it that you don't understand Kermit?

[jjgallow]

Just now, conundrumed said:

What is it that you don't understand Kermit?

[conundrumed]

Please share, what you have done oh wise one?

[jjgallow]

1 minute ago, conundrumed said:

Please share, what you have done oh wise one?

 

[conundrumed]

1 minute ago, jjgallow said:

 

Have you been watching Detroit? lol

Why cheer on for a terrible product?

We're very close to the favourites in the west. I don't understand the love affair that rebuilds are some kind of guarantee of success. Let's Satoshi Nakamoto the bed for 5 years so we can be Conference Finalists. Wait a minute, isn't that where we are right now? What's the hurry?

[jjgallow]

7 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Have you been watching Detroit? lol

Why cheer on for a terrible product?

We're very close to the favourites in the west. I don't understand the love affair that rebuilds are some kind of guarantee of success. Let's Satoshi Nakamoto the bed for 5 years so we can be Conference Finalists. Wait a minute, isn't that where we are right now? What's the hurry?

 

[flames for life]

1 hour ago, rickross said:

Every GM has a list of mistakes they’ve made. I think overall BT has done a good job mitigating his miss steps. I like Monny but Monnys stubborness became a major liability to this team. He wasn’t forthcoming about a lot of his injuries to the point where he’s forced so many surgeries it’s derailed his career. It’s hard to trade a player who likely won’t pass a physical. I honestly blame Sean Monahan for his own current state of affairs. BT isn’t perfect but he’s proven he can be in the upper echelon of GMs in the NHL. I still consider BT a strong asset to this team, we’ll have to see how all these changes turn out before we pass judgement on this wild off season. 

It’s easy to point fingers and blame players for things, but saying Monahan wasn’t forthcoming is a stretch.  Every athlete, from practically day 1, is told to “put it all out there”, and “give it everything you got”, and those who do make great players.  That can also create injuries.  If anything, I would say that Monie’s injuries were minimized by our musical chairs of coaches.  Each coach needed him on the ice to satisfy their needs to better the team and their philosophical strategies.  Monahan has always been noted as an excellent team player, and with poor coaches, can be overused, or mis-used.  He very well may have let the coaches know of his ailments, and they may have attempted to circumvent the issue in order to succeed.  Saying that Monahan’s plight is all his fault does him a disservice.  It is also just as likely that BT was not given the full picture of Monie’s injuries from the coaches we had, for the very same reasons as mentioned.  Again, imo, if blame needed to be assigned, I would look mostly at the coaches for lack of empathy for a player’s wellbeing.

[rickross]

58 minutes ago, flames for life said:

It’s easy to point fingers and blame players for things, but saying Monahan wasn’t forthcoming is a stretch.  Every athlete, from practically day 1, is told to “put it all out there”, and “give it everything you got”, and those who do make great players.  That can also create injuries.  If anything, I would say that Monie’s injuries were minimized by our musical chairs of coaches.  Each coach needed him on the ice to satisfy their needs to better the team and their philosophical strategies.  Monahan has always been noted as an excellent team player, and with poor coaches, can be overused, or mis-used.  He very well may have let the coaches know of his ailments, and they may have attempted to circumvent the issue in order to succeed.  Saying that Monahan’s plight is all his fault does him a disservice.  It is also just as likely that BT was not given the full picture of Monie’s injuries from the coaches we had, for the very same reasons as mentioned.  Again, imo, if blame needed to be assigned, I would look mostly at the coaches for lack of empathy for a player’s wellbeing.

Nope! Not in this case. This is on Monahan.  
 

“Sean is one that plays through a lot of stuff without telling a lot of people,” Treliving said. “

 

This is my issue with Monahan. He has a history of not communicating his ailments until it’s too late. His most recent hip surgery? Flames didn’t even know the extent until days prior to them scheduling the operation. Sure there’s a shared responsibility on the organization to take care of its players but these are PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES…they know when their not 100%. They have a responsibility to take the utmost care of themselves as you know they are making millions of $! You could say Monny was pressured into playing through them but still it’s his responsibility to take care of himself. No one can do that for him. What good are you if you’re becoming a detriment to the team? Does that make you a good “teammate”? Monny could have easily mitigated his injuries but he CHOSE not too on MULTIPLE occasion until it was too late, ultimately he jeopardized himself and his own career. Like I said I like Monny, he’s a good character guy but he could have clearly avoided many of his surgeries by simply being forthcoming. 

[jjgallow]

7 minutes ago, rickross said:

Nope! Not in this case. This is on Monahan.  
 

“Sean is one that plays through a lot of stuff without telling a lot of people,” Treliving said. “

 

This is my issue with Monahan. He has a history of not communicating his ailments until it’s too late. His most recent hip surgery? Flames didn’t even know the extent until days prior to them scheduling the operation. Sure there’s a shared responsibility on the organization to take care of its players but these are PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES…they know when their not 100%. They have a responsibility to take the utmost care of themselves as you know they are making millions of $! You could say Monny was pressured into playing through them but still it’s his responsibility to take care of himself. No one can do that for him. What good are you if you’re becoming a detriment to the team? Does that make you a good “teammate”? Monny could have easily mitigated his injuries but he CHOSE not too on MULTIPLE occasion until it was too late, ultimately he jeopardized himself and his own career. Like I said I like Monny, he’s a good character guy but he could have clearly avoided many of his surgeries by simply being forthcoming. 

 

I'm sorry but why would you schedule an operation of hip replacement surgery just days after knowing about it?

 

Curious where this was done and by whom.    

 

No further testing?  No further scans?  No further opinions?   No shopping for the best doctors for this type of injury?

 

So I can guess this means the Flames didn't offer their own end of season MRI to players?  too expensive I guess?

 

I am literally Hoping your information is bad because if it's right, wow negligence.

 

This is like buying 24 Ferraris and waiting for them to crash before doing a maintenance checkup.

 

The only difference is that Ferraris are a lot cheaper and more replaceable.

[rickross]

6 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

I'm sorry but why would you schedule an operation of hip replacement surgery just days after knowing about it?

 

Curious where this was done and by whom.    

 

No further testing?  No further scans?  No further opinions?   No shopping for the best doctors for this type of injury?

 

So I can guess this means the Flames didn't offer their own end of season MRI to players?  too expensive I guess?

 

I am literally Hoping your information is bad because if it's right, wow negligence.

 

This is like buying 24 Ferraris and waiting for them to crash before doing a maintenance checkup.

 

The only difference is that Ferraris are a lot cheaper and more replaceable.

Honestly JJ it’s what disappointed me the most about Monny. I really liked the guy. I can find the articles and quotes where BT states they were informed only a few days before he went under the knife.  It’s bizarre! Monny did the same thing with his wrists…didn’t tell anyone until surgery was required. Straight up I’ll find the timeline of his injuries but there are multiple quotes of the Flames being caught off guard by the severity of his injuries. The BT quote already states Monahan is a stubborn player who chose to play injured without notifying anyone. Really a shame , I would have liked if Monahan could have been a Flame for life but he’s just too much of a liability. 

[robrob74]

10 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

I'm sorry but why would you schedule an operation of hip replacement surgery just days after knowing about it?

 

Curious where this was done and by whom.    

 

No further testing?  No further scans?  No further opinions?   No shopping for the best doctors for this type of injury?

 

So I can guess this means the Flames didn't offer their own end of season MRI to players?  too expensive I guess?

 

I am literally Hoping your information is bad because if it's right, wow negligence.

 

This is like buying 24 Ferraris and waiting for them to crash before doing a maintenance checkup.

 

The only difference is that Ferraris are a lot cheaper and more replaceable.

 

I don't read Rickross's statement the same way as you do. 
 

the first hip injury, Monahan went a large portion of the season without telling anyone the severity of his injury and returned out it was extremely bad. Had he done earlier, he might have had surgery a few months before the end of the season, then have that part of the season left to heal plus the whole offseason. Instead he waited until nearly the end of the season and then had less time to recover and I think he never really fully recovered, hence needing more time. And he could've gotten more time if he was more forthcoming earlier that season. i think I remember them saying they didn't know Monahan's injury was as bad as he conveyed. 

I was glad they shut him down earlier this past season. 
 

if my "bread and butter" is my shot, I'm getting that fixed ASAP to make sure to protect it. 
 

 

[jjgallow]

Just now, rickross said:

Honestly JJ it’s what disappointed me the most about Monny. I really liked the guy. I can find the articles and quotes where BT states they were informed only a few days before he went under the knife.  It’s bizarre! Monny did the same thing with his wrists…didn’t tell anyone until surgery was required. Straight up I’ll find the timeline of his injuries but there are multiple quotes of the Flames being caught off guard by the severity of his injuries. The BT quote already states Monahan is a stubborn player who chose to play injured without notifying anyone. Really a shame , I would have liked if Monahan could have been a Flame for life but he’s just too much of a liability. 

 

If what you claim is true and Monahan was negligent, I can promise you from his contract he would be losing his wage.

 

Now, if the Flames were negligent, the Flames would be on the hook.

 

So no matter what you're hearing from whoever, there's your answer.   Woulda been a lawyer's call at the end of the day, and outcome was pretty clear.

 

 

Think about the player history for a second.   His first hip injury, did the Flames rush him back?

Check.

 

As an 18 year old with known injury issues, was he eased into professional hockey, or thrown in?

Thrown in, check.

 

Was there something stopping the Flames from doing a quartly or bi-annual MRI on a player with known existing issues which absolutely warranted an MRI (which should have been given to all players anyway)?

No, there wasn't anything stopping the Flames from ensuring the health of their players.

 

From what you have said the Flames wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on, nor should they.   It was their Job to know, it's 2022.  You don't just ask nicely and give them a pat on the but once in a while.   Because guess what, the player often wouldn't now either.  Only actual medical care would have detected it early enough to save his career.

[jjgallow]

3 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

I don't read Rickross's statement the same way as you do. 
 

the first hip injury, Monahan went a large portion of the season without telling anyone the severity of his injury and returned out it was extremely bad. Had he done earlier, he might have had surgery a few months before the end of the season, then have that part of the season left to heal plus the whole offseason. Instead he waited until nearly the end of the season and then had less time to recover and I think he never really fully recovered, hence needing more time. And he could've gotten more time if he was more forthcoming earlier that season. i think I remember them saying they didn't know Monahan's injury was as bad as he conveyed. 

I was glad they shut him down earlier this past season. 
 

if my "bread and butter" is my shot, I'm getting that fixed ASAP to make sure to protect it. 
 

 

 

The arguement would be valid maybe in the 1980's or 1970's.

 

It relies on the notion that the player should tell his team when he needs a hip replacement.  A player, with known degenerative bone issues.

 

Think about that for a second.  In 2022.

 

An MRI, one of several regular MRIs that should have been offered, should have told the player and the team that prevention was needed Long before the player realized it and long before a replacement was needed.

[rickross]

“Even as the Flames brain trust was having daily conversations about pulling him, he kept it to himself.

Teammates were in the dark, too.

“It was an eye-opening experience to see someone play that well with that many injuries, and not ever say that much about it,” Travis Hamonic said. “I mean, you’d see a hot-pack every once in a while, but never really understanding the extent of it. Quite frankly you’re not even aware … because he keeps his mouth shut and goes about his business.”

 

Heres another quote from a 2018 article from The Athletic. It’s pretty damning , Monny even admits to not taking proper care of himself. He honestly doesn’t come across as the smartest guy around, I’ll post the link to the full article. As great as Monny was he was a straight up liability. Apparently Monahan just didn’t understand how important wrists and hips are to a hockey player? Great player but he’s not the brightest athlete around. 
 

Here’s the link if it works for u

 

https://theathletic.com/515160/2018/09/13/after-four-separate-offseason-operations-sean-monahan-embraces-new-approach/

[jjgallow]

1 minute ago, rickross said:

“Even as the Flames brain trust was having daily conversations about pulling him, he kept it to himself.

Teammates were in the dark, too.

“It was an eye-opening experience to see someone play that well with that many injuries, and not ever say that much about it,” Travis Hamonic said. “I mean, you’d see a hot-pack every once in a while, but never really understanding the extent of it. Quite frankly you’re not even aware … because he keeps his mouth shut and goes about his business.”

 

Heres another quote from a 2018 article from The Athletic. It’s pretty damning , Monny even admits to not taking proper care of himself. He honestly doesn’t come across as the smartest guy around, I’ll post the link to the full article. As great as Monny was he was a straight up liability. Apparently Monahan just didn’t understand how important wrists and hips are to a hockey player? Great player but he’s not the brightest athlete around. 
 

Here’s the link if it works for u

 

https://theathletic.com/515160/2018/09/13/after-four-separate-offseason-operations-sean-monahan-embraces-new-approach/

 

Well I'm as surprised as you then, surely daily conversations would be way more effective than regular MRIs.

 

The part about the hot-pack and not being aware, really, is pretty funny.  MRIs aside.