travel_dude Posted March 19 Author Report Share Posted March 19 41 minutes ago, cross16 said: Your not locked in if the player doesn't work out, which most College FA don't. We had some luck with Duehr and Hathaway, not so much with Philp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted March 23 Report Share Posted March 23 All the talk about trading up in this draft. I just don't see the point or the price paid for it. That said why don't we take our Van 1st and trade down to Arizona which has 10 2nd rounders in the next 3 drafts. a 3rd rounder ( try and squeeze a 2nd) in 2024 a 2nd round in 2025 and a 2nd round in 2026. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 24 Author Report Share Posted March 24 On 3/18/2024 at 8:32 PM, phoenix66 said: Slight administrative error there . They'll have to redo his contract ..but this year was a pto so that isn't affected for him to join the wranglers Apparently the age is based on Sept 15 not actual age at signing . 25 is too old for an ELC... Hadn't heard anything more about this, but I looked and he has singed a one year deal worth $870k including a signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 Ok so, question… if everyone was in agreement players and teams, would you do a straight up trade: Gaudrau to Cgy for Hubie to CBJ? no retention just player for player, provided everyone was in agreement. thoughts? my thought is meh.. on one had Cgy saves 1-2 mil per season and I think Gaudreau is younger… on the other hand Hubie is Canadian, and he’s a bigger body forward… change of scenery for each player may get them going again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 7 hours ago, MP5029 said: Ok so, question… if everyone was in agreement players and teams, would you do a straight up trade: Gaudrau to Cgy for Hubie to CBJ? no retention just player for player, provided everyone was in agreement. thoughts? my thought is meh.. on one had Cgy saves 1-2 mil per season and I think Gaudreau is younger… on the other hand Hubie is Canadian, and he’s a bigger body forward… change of scenery for each player may get them going again. You bet!! Get that paperwork signed and yell "start the car"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 26 Author Report Share Posted March 26 14 hours ago, MP5029 said: Ok so, question… if everyone was in agreement players and teams, would you do a straight up trade: Gaudrau to Cgy for Hubie to CBJ? no retention just player for player, provided everyone was in agreement. thoughts? my thought is meh.. on one had Cgy saves 1-2 mil per season and I think Gaudreau is younger… on the other hand Hubie is Canadian, and he’s a bigger body forward… change of scenery for each player may get them going again. I know it's a non starter, but interesting. On one hand, Gaudreau was always fun to watch. He was a one man zone entry machine. Regular season thrilla. Got the fans out of their seats. On the other hand, that was then. Don't know how he would fit this new version of the team. Huberdeau might be a playoff stud that we lacked. Hard to say since we haven't been there. He doesn't fit whatever we have built here. At least he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 22 hours ago, MP5029 said: Ok so, question… if everyone was in agreement players and teams, would you do a straight up trade: Gaudrau to Cgy for Hubie to CBJ? no retention just player for player, provided everyone was in agreement. thoughts? my thought is meh.. on one had Cgy saves 1-2 mil per season and I think Gaudreau is younger… on the other hand Hubie is Canadian, and he’s a bigger body forward… change of scenery for each player may get them going again. No thanks for me. Turn the page. Gaudreau left, left for his own reasons and I see no value in going down that path again. Has nothing to do with Huberdeau, which for sure I can see the logic in getting out from under the deal, it's the idea that I see no value in revisiting Gaudreau here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 8 hours ago, travel_dude said: I know it's a non starter, but interesting. On one hand, Gaudreau was always fun to watch. He was a one man zone entry machine. Regular season thrilla. Got the fans out of their seats. On the other hand, that was then. Don't know how he would fit this new version of the team. Huberdeau might be a playoff stud that we lacked. Hard to say since we haven't been there. He doesn't fit whatever we have built here. At least he hasn't. Hard no for me .. it's like returning to the scene of the crime..he pushed the first domino ..Johnny had more down years than up and the truth is we no longer have the supporting cast to maximize his skillset .. Huberdeau is finally getting chemistry with some players ..second half of this season he's looked more like the guy we traded for .. no think passes.. his linemates expect them now and capitalize .. i think it would set us back at least 2-3 yeare.. Tbh.. i see a lot of Johnny in Zary.. the zone entries, the iq.. until he got hurt he was legitimately in the Calder finalist conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 26 Author Report Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, phoenix66 said: Hard no for me .. it's like returning to the scene of the crime..he pushed the first domino ..Johnny had more down years than up and the truth is we no longer have the supporting cast to maximize his skillset .. Huberdeau is finally getting chemistry with some players ..second half of this season he's looked more like the guy we traded for .. no think passes.. his linemates expect them now and capitalize .. i think it would set us back at least 2-3 yeare.. Tbh.. i see a lot of Johnny in Zary.. the zone entries, the iq.. until he got hurt he was legitimately in the Calder finalist conversation I too like what I have seen in Zary; he's slippery. I was not advocating for the trade, just pointing out some of the challenges with both players. Gaudreau had his growing pains as does Huberdeau. Johnny was really bad for the buttonhook plays that sometimes resulted in odd man rushes the other way. Huberdeau does some of that, but I see Mangiapane doing that more now than Huberdeau. 9 times out of 10, when Mange stops short it results in a nothing burger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 The trade is now officially not for a rental. A little less per year than Flames offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, sak22 said: The trade is now officially not for a rental. A little less per year than Flames offered. Good for Hanifin. He just didn't want to sign long term in Canada. Hopefully the VGK 1st in 2026 will be a top 10 pick for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 4 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Good for Hanifin. He just didn't want to sign long term in Canada. Hopefully the VGK 1st in 2026 will be a top 10 pick for us. Hopefully he can help win a round and upgrade a pick. They just need to get out of the WC2 spot considering we need Dallas to go to the finals, our ideal playoffs should be Vegas knock out Edmonton round 1, Vancouver knock off Vegas round 2, Dallas knock off Vancouver round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 36 minutes ago, sak22 said: Hopefully he can help win a round and upgrade a pick. They just need to get out of the WC2 spot considering we need Dallas to go to the finals, our ideal playoffs should be Vegas knock out Edmonton round 1, Vancouver knock off Vegas round 2, Dallas knock off Vancouver round 3. I'm less concerned about the Vegas pick, but a win does put the pick in 2025 where everything is possible. If they lose in round 1 as the 2nd WC holder, then they are possibly picking 17th in this year's draft. That means a relatively early 3rd rounder, so there is some upside. In fact, STL could win out and bump Vegas to outside the playoffs. Vegas doesn't look like the same cup threat this year. VAN, assuming it wins in R1, faces the next up Pacific team. It's a crazy year. Dallas is one win one loss and one tie from clinching 1st in the West. Only Vegas and LA have not clinched in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, travel_dude said: I'm less concerned about the Vegas pick, but a win does put the pick in 2025 where everything is possible. If they lose in round 1 as the 2nd WC holder, then they are possibly picking 17th in this year's draft. That means a relatively early 3rd rounder, so there is some upside. In fact, STL could win out and bump Vegas to outside the playoffs. Vegas doesn't look like the same cup threat this year. VAN, assuming it wins in R1, faces the next up Pacific team. It's a crazy year. Yes, with that pick being in the 3rd round this year they have 9 picks this year, next year at the moment they only have 6 with only 1 in each of the first 3 rounds, I'd rather push that in to the 2nd next year and have 8 then 7, Vegas is struggling to get in this year, where will they be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted April 11 Author Report Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, sak22 said: Yes, with that pick being in the 3rd round this year they have 9 picks this year, next year at the moment they only have 6 with only 1 in each of the first 3 rounds, I'd rather push that in to the 2nd next year and have 8 then 7, Vegas is struggling to get in this year, where will they be next year? Injury year it seems. When they don't have Stone they falter. They were bad the year before the won the cup. This year just a bit better than that. Their GM won't stand for 2 poor years in a row. A high second is better than a low 3rd, but not by all that much. Just whether next years draft is deeper or not than this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Injury year it seems. When they don't have Stone they falter. They were bad the year before the won the cup. This year just a bit better than that. Their GM won't stand for 2 poor years in a row. A high second is better than a low 3rd, but not by all that much. Just whether next years draft is deeper or not than this year. I don't know seem like they will lose some key guys this year. At what point does age catch up to some of the dmen and does age and back issues catch up to Stone. But counting that team down and out is definitely a mistake, evidenced by last season and predicting they didn't have the goaltending to do anything significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarasti Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 18 minutes ago, sak22 said: I don't know seem like they will lose some key guys this year. At what point does age catch up to some of the dmen and does age and back issues catch up to Stone. But counting that team down and out is definitely a mistake, evidenced by last season and predicting they didn't have the goaltending to do anything significant. They are almost certainly going to have to deal Whitecloud this offseason. Add to that Pietro is 34. I could very easily see Vegas being a non-playoff team in 2026. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 I'm very happy the Flames are not locked into that deal with Hanifin. not a terrible deal just not one I would want to sign him to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted April 12 Author Report Share Posted April 12 3 hours ago, Sarasti said: They are almost certainly going to have to deal Whitecloud this offseason. Add to that Pietro is 34. I could very easily see Vegas being a non-playoff team in 2026. I am hoping for that as well. Marshmallow is needing more money, but they cast away players like candy wrappers. Don't see how they move ahead without him. With the Lehner deal, they will get relief. But Mantha was just traded for and is scoring pretty well. Stephenson will need a new deal. For the money Pietrangelo is the worst cost per point. Easy trade to a good team with cash. Vegas always looks dead and somehow makes it work. For years we look good and ended up DOA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 Is it just me? Since TDL Markstrom’s play has been subpar to put it in a nice way. is he doing this on purpose to avoid being a tradable asset? Currently his play I can’t see a team moving on him he’s not much of an upgrade for teams like LAK, NJD etc… or is he going into his down cycle again? I find it odd that he was Ves. level play before the TDL and after he got upset with the trade rumours he’s been playing at maybe a backup level goalie… either way, he’s not looking like a goalie a team Would seek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberg Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 19 minutes ago, MP5029 said: Is it just me? Since TDL Markstrom’s play has been subpar to put it in a nice way. is he doing this on purpose to avoid being a tradable asset? Currently his play I can’t see a team moving on him he’s not much of an upgrade for teams like LAK, NJD etc… or is he going into his down cycle again? I find it odd that he was Ves. level play before the TDL and after he got upset with the trade rumours he’s been playing at maybe a backup level goalie… either way, he’s not looking like a goalie a team Would seek Hard to tell. The numbers say YES, but the Flames also lost several key players which is also a huge factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 2 hours ago, MP5029 said: Is it just me? Since TDL Markstrom’s play has been subpar to put it in a nice way. is he doing this on purpose to avoid being a tradable asset? Currently his play I can’t see a team moving on him he’s not much of an upgrade for teams like LAK, NJD etc… or is he going into his down cycle again? I find it odd that he was Ves. level play before the TDL and after he got upset with the trade rumours he’s been playing at maybe a backup level goalie… either way, he’s not looking like a goalie a team Would seek Pre TDL (all rates/60 mins) 28.57 Shots Against 26.23 Saves .918 Save % 0.29 GSSAA 2.71 expected goals against 8.18 HD shots against. 7.15 HD saves and a .875 HDSV 0.3 HDGSAA 2.4 Rush attempts against and 5.64 rebound attempts against Post TDL 25.48 Shots Against 23.05 Saves .905 Save % 0.24 GSSAA 2.46 expected goals against 6.76 HD shots against. 5.55 HD saves and a .821 HDSV -0.12 HDGSAA 1.04 Rush attempts against and 3.99 rebound attempts against For the most part you are not really seeing a big difference statistically, especially when you consider sample size. Certainly not playing at a "backup level". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberg Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 7 minutes ago, cross16 said: Pre TDL (all rates/60 mins) 28.57 Shots Against 26.23 Saves .918 Save % 0.29 GSSAA 2.71 expected goals against 8.18 HD shots against. 7.15 HD saves and a .875 HDSV 0.3 HDGSAA 2.4 Rush attempts against and 5.64 rebound attempts against Post TDL 25.48 Shots Against 23.05 Saves .905 Save % 0.24 GSSAA 2.46 expected goals against 6.76 HD shots against. 5.55 HD saves and a .821 HDSV -0.12 HDGSAA 1.04 Rush attempts against and 3.99 rebound attempts against For the most part you are not really seeing a big difference statistically, especially when you consider sample size. Certainly not playing at a "backup level". Wow, unless I’m reading that wrong the defensive game is significantly better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 19 minutes ago, cberg said: Wow, unless I’m reading that wrong the defensive game is significantly better? Well the PK is at 70% after the deadline, I don't know if the stats provided are reflective of special teams, but PK was the main strength of the team pre TDL it has dropped off significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberg Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, sak22 said: Well the PK is at 70% after the deadline, I don't know if the stats provided are reflective of special teams, but PK was the main strength of the team pre TDL it has dropped off significantly. Well that is very true. The rest isn’t too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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