2022 Offseason

[The_People1]

21 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

Solid add on a PTO. Once was a really highly touted prospect, but injuries have really derailed his career.

 

Probably a depth guy at this point, but if he can find his way again he could be a solid find.

 

Nice.  We need to swing for some homeruns on RD.  Low risk move.

[The_People1]

27 minutes ago, sak22 said:

I don't watch him a lot, but I generally feel game changers should be at or around a P/PG, he's at 0.81 since his rookie year.  That's about 30th in the league for C's that have played roughly the same amount of games for that time period.  Not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade, but I'd keep expectations in check if he was an elite player he should put up elite numbers regardless of the coach.

 

It's fair argument if you don't think he's a true impact/game changing player then you wouldn't want to go "whatever it takes".  I mean top 20-30 is still pretty good at the end of the day.  That's a really solid #2C that we need.  I was also ready to go whatever it takes for Eichel but we didn't have the assets to compete with others.

 

The final pieces are going to be expensive no matter what because we don't have a top 20-30 Center ready to step in from the farm this season.  Yet, we only have enough to make one trade so we have to get it right.  Kadri-type is perfect.  Gritty/agitating #2C who can chip in 70 to 80 points.  Perfect.  Barzal is a different style but could also give us 65-75 points in a #2C role.  A major upgrade offensively to Backlund.

[The_People1]

I want to also add that some speculate Barzal could move to RW where he can focus on offense more than two-way play.

 

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Barzal have potential to be as good or better than Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk.  Barzal is a Gaudreau/Marner style of player.

 

Trade for him to play RW is also an option.  Then watch him put up career numbers in a contract year.  We're talking 90-points+.  That $10-mil QO wouldn't look so bad.  There's also a window between the end of the season to UFA where we can move his rights.  All in all, Barzal is a solid target for us.

[robrob74]

54 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

I want to also add that some speculate Barzal could move to RW where he can focus on offense more than two-way play.

 

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Barzal have potential to be as good or better than Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk.  Barzal is a Gaudreau/Marner style of player.

 

Trade for him to play RW is also an option.  Then watch him put up career numbers in a contract year.  We're talking 90-points+.  That $10-mil QO wouldn't look so bad.  There's also a window between the end of the season to UFA where we can move his rights.  All in all, Barzal is a solid target for us.

how much do we need to add if we added Mangiapane in the deal? 

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, The_People1 said:

I want to also add that some speculate Barzal could move to RW where he can focus on offense more than two-way play.

 

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Barzal have potential to be as good or better than Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk.  Barzal is a Gaudreau/Marner style of player.

 

Trade for him to play RW is also an option.  Then watch him put up career numbers in a contract year.  We're talking 90-points+.  That $10-mil QO wouldn't look so bad.  There's also a window between the end of the season to UFA where we can move his rights.  All in all, Barzal is a solid target for us.

 

I would think that using him as a playmaking winger would not give us that much more than we have today.

Still no 2nd scoring line, since we don't have the 2C to go with him.

Not unless Monahan is 200% of last year, closer to his career years with Gaudreau; doubt that happens.

 

If you are going for Barzal, and I still can't see a path that works, you use him as 2C.

Toffoli or Mangiapane are your scoring wingers that go with him.

You have a fairly decent winger on the other side, can't just be a struggling 3 LW or RW.

 

Since the cost to buy is too high, lets focus on the need.

2C and 2nd scoring line.

If Pelletier was up for it, then use him with Toffoli, save Mange for top line.

3rd line is Backlund, Ruzicka, Dube and Coleman.

4th line is Lucic, Monahan, Rooney and Lewis.

The bottom 6 is whoever plays best with Backlund and Coleman.

And whoever we have left that pushes the play in the right direction.

 

Just shows that we have too many 4th line players.

Dube isn't shown he is a playmaker, so he is Backlund line or bust.

Rozie could be 3rd or 4th line assuming we have a 2C.

[conundrumed]

31 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

how much do we need to add if we added Mangiapane in the deal? 

Depends on the deal, honestly. Kind of makes it neutral to trade a great LW for a great C.

There has to be another answer.

[travel_dude]

Available UFA's:

 

PLAYER	TEAM	AGE	POS	HANDED	GP	G	A	P	P/GP	+/-	Sh	Sh%	TOI	W	L	SO	GAA	Sv%	CLAUSE	EXPIRY	CAP HIT	SALARY
1. Nazem Kadri	-	31	C	Left	71	28	59	87	1.23	13	247	0.11	19:14	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$4,500,000	$4,000,000
2. Phil Kessel	-	34	RW	Right	82	8	44	52	0.63	-24	175	0.05	16:40	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$8,000,000	$6,000,000
3. Paul Stastny	-	36	LW, C	Left	71	21	24	45	0.63	14	141	0.15	17:46	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,750,000	$3,750,000
4. Evan Rodrigues	-	28	RW, C	Right	82	19	24	43	0.52	3	243	0.08	15:50	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
5. Sonny Milano	-	26	LW, RW	Left	66	14	20	34	0.52	-9	94	0.15	15:16	-	-	-	-	-		UFA No QO	$1,700,000	$1,800,000
6. Sam Gagner	-	32	C, RW	Right	81	13	18	31	0.38	-4	132	0.10	13:37	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$850,000
7. Tyler Ennis	-	32	LW, RW	Left	57	8	16	24	0.42	-6	89	0.09	12:32	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$900,000	$900,000
8. Alex Chiasson	-	31	RW	Right	67	13	9	22	0.33	5	98	0.13	11:36	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$750,000	$750,000
9. Jonathan Dahlén	-	24	LW, RW	Left	61	12	10	22	0.36	-25	105	0.11	13:47	-	-	-	-	-		UFA No QO	$750,000	$750,000
10. Brian Boyle	-	37	LW, C	Left	66	11	10	21	0.32	6	87	0.13	10:47	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$750,000	$750,000
11. Victor Rask	-	29	C	Left	47	9	12	21	0.45	4	58	0.16	12:11	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$4,000,000	$4,000,000
12. Alex Galchenyuk	-	28	LW, C, RW	Left	60	6	15	21	0.35	-11	89	0.07	13:09	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$750,000	$750,000
13. Daniel Sprong	-	25	RW, LW	Right	63	14	6	20	0.32	0	153	0.09	12:58	-	-	-	-	-		UFA No QO	$725,000	$750,000
14. Sam Steel	-	24	C, LW	Left	68	6	14	20	0.29	-17	66	0.09	12:18	-	-	-	-	-		UFA No QO	$874,125	$874,125
15. Derick Brassard	-	34	LW, C	Left	46	8	11	19	0.41	4	62	0.13	12:54	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$825,000	$825,000
16. Derek Stepan	-	32	C	Right	58	9	10	19	0.33	0	96	0.09	10:47	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,350,000	$1,350,000
17. Loui Eriksson	-	36	LW, RW	Left	73	3	16	19	0.26	-18	81	0.04	12:55	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,000,000	$4,000,000
18. Evgeny Svechnikov	-	25	LW, RW	Left	72	7	12	19	0.26	-4	78	0.09	10:45	-	-	-	-	-		UFA No QO	$750,000	$750,000
19. Riley Sheahan	-	30	LW, C	Left	69	4	13	17	0.25	6	69	0.06	12:02	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$850,000
20. Jimmy Vesey	-	29	LW, RW	Left	68	8	7	15	0.22	-24	110	0.07	14:25	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$800,000	$800,000
21. Tyler Motte	-	27	LW, RW	Left	58	7	8	15	0.26	2	101	0.07	14:00	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,225,000	$1,450,000
22. Zach Aston-Reese	-	27	LW, RW	Left	69	5	10	15	0.22	9	78	0.06	13:01	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,725,000	$1,725,000
23. Dominik Simon	-	27	RW, LW	Left	72	3	10	13	0.18	0	88	0.03	10:16	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$750,000	$750,000
24. Tyler Bozak	-	36	C, RW	Right	50	3	9	12	0.24	-11	46	0.07	12:09	-	-	-	-	-	NTC	UFA	$750,000	$750,000
25. Cody Eakin	-	31	C	Left	69	4	8	12	0.17	-15	74	0.05	13:35	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$2,250,000	$2,500,000
26. Joe Thornton	-	42	C, LW	Left	34	5	5	10	0.29	-10	26	0.19	11:06	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$750,000	$750,000
27. Mathieu Perreault	-	34	LW, RW, C	Left	25	4	5	9	0.36	2	27	0.15	11:15	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$950,000	$950,000
28. Antoine Roussel	-	32	LW	Left	53	4	4	8	0.15	-16	59	0.07	12:08	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$3,000,000	$1,900,000
29. Brad Richardson	-	37	C	Left	44	4	4	8	0.18	-1	31	0.13	10:18	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$800,000	$800,000
30. Carter Rowney	-	33	C, RW	Right	26	4	2	6	0.23	-4	15	0.27	10:40	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$825,000	$825,000

[travel_dude]

Not a great list.  Statsny, Kadri, Rodrigues, Milaon, Dahlen, Galchenyuk are the top.

[conundrumed]

10 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

Not a great list.  Statsny, Kadri, Rodrigues, Milaon, Dahlen, Galchenyuk are the top.

Rodrigues.

[robrob74]

57 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Depends on the deal, honestly. Kind of makes it neutral to trade a great LW for a great C.

There has to be another answer.

ya, I felt the same. 
creates another hole unless they can prop up a young guy. 
 

i shouldn't worry about the 3 year deal being a short one, but it gives me pause. 

[conundrumed]

Rosie and Pelletier have to really push this year. As well as Dube,

Have a fighters summer.

We need all 3 to crush it. But who will?

Get Rodrigues to push envelopes?

[cross16]

3 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

I've got Barzal in the 10-12 range.  He's a game changer.  Also, "whatever the cost" of course means we don't trade Lindholm or anyone who is ready to go on the next run with us.  We're talking any prospect and it's not exactly a studded cast.  No blue chippers.  Just a bunch of depth players.

 

But there is the problem. He is a "game changer" who is 2 years away from UFA. Not really sure why Islanders are going to trade him for prospects, and especially non blue chip prospects. 

 

 

[conundrumed]

2 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

ya, I felt the same. 
creates another hole unless they can prop up a young guy. 
 

i shouldn't worry about the 3 year deal being a short one, but it gives me pause. 

I think it's just the cap mechanics for both sides honestly. I see that deal as amazing give and take.

Mangiapane isn't going anywhere. I can't foresee BT going any where.

Get used to him. He'll be extended.

[Thebrewcrew]

Feels like the Bruins are going about this season as a "Last Dance". Bergeron didn't retire, Krejci came back and Pastrnak is a year from Gaudreau to Huberdeau money.

 

If there is any truth to the Bruins being interested in Lucic, it makes sense to explore.

 

The Bruins have some significant injuries to deal with to start the season. It's best to get as close as possible to $0 in cap space to maximize LTIR. 

The Flames aren't fond of retaining salary. But in the case of Lucic it's palatable, 50% retained costs 500k. For an organization that's bought out Brouwer and Stone, 500k for 1yr of a Lucic deal isn't going to be too back-breaking.

 

Due to the Bruins needing to clear cap, I would try for Lucic @50% retained for Craig Smith. Boston would need to make one more corresponding move, but they have a few players that could pass through waivers on cut-down day to get as close as possible to the cap floor, before dipping into LTI. Wagner/Clifton/Zboril.

 

It's not a blockbuster, but it improves the Flames and it alleviates a bit of a pinch for the Bruins. Craig Smith has been an underrated player for a while. Typically someone you can count on for .5pt/g. Gives the forward group an additional option

[conundrumed]

1 hour ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Feels like the Bruins are going about this season as a "Last Dance". Bergeron didn't retire, Krejci came back and Pastrnak is a year from Gaudreau to Huberdeau money.

 

If there is any truth to the Bruins being interested in Lucic, it makes sense to explore.

 

The Bruins have some significant injuries to deal with to start the season. It's best to get as close as possible to $0 in cap space to maximize LTIR. 

The Flames aren't fond of retaining salary. But in the case of Lucic it's palatable, 50% retained costs 500k. For an organization that's bought out Brouwer and Stone, 500k for 1yr of a Lucic deal isn't going to be too back-breaking.

 

Due to the Bruins needing to clear cap, I would try for Lucic @50% retained for Craig Smith. Boston would need to make one more corresponding move, but they have a few players that could pass through waivers on cut-down day to get as close as possible to the cap floor, before dipping into LTI. Wagner/Clifton/Zboril.

 

It's not a blockbuster, but it improves the Flames and it alleviates a bit of a pinch for the Bruins. Craig Smith has been an underrated player for a while. Typically someone you can count on for .5pt/g. Gives the forward group an additional option

Nope. I have no idea why this gains leverage with the Bruins "wanting Lucic".

I don't read it that way at all. I read it as they fired Cassidy into the sun, and everyone's okay again.

Good luck Vegas.

I think that's the story for Bruins.

Krejci says, "Blockchain it", Pastrnak and Bergeron get very non-committal. Cassidy gone, everyone back,

What a coincidence.

[conundrumed]

2 hours ago, cross16 said:

But there is the problem. He is a "game changer" who is 2 years away from UFA. Not really sure why Islanders are going to trade him for prospects, and especially non blue chip prospects. 

 

So Dube & Valimaki and a 2025 Florida 1st might not do it? lol

We're losing Weegar+ there.

I do not want Barzal. The cost & cap would be huge.

It would possibly make us worse.

[Thebrewcrew]

24 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Nope. I have no idea why this gains leverage with the Bruins "wanting Lucic".

I don't read it that way at all. I read it as they fired Cassidy into the sun, and everyone's okay again.

Good luck Vegas.

I think that's the story for Bruins.

Krejci says, "Blockchain it", Pastrnak and Bergeron get very non-committal. Cassidy gone, everyone back,

What a coincidence.

It comes down to what do you want.

 

You can look at it as the opportunity to trade a 4th liner for 3rd liner that fills an organizational need, RHS. By "helping" BOS navigate their cap, you get a significantly better player that makes your top 9 look a lot better. Lucic scored twice in 2022, if there's any interest you have to explore it

 

Edit- he's scored twice in the calendar year 2022

[sak22]

2 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

It comes down to what do you want.

 

You can look at it as the opportunity to trade a 4th liner for 3rd liner that fills an organizational need, RHS. By "helping" BOS navigate their cap, you get a significantly better player that makes your top 9 look a lot better. Lucic scored twice in 2022, if there's any interest you have to explore it

 

Edit- he's scored twice in the calendar year 2022

That's why I don't think there is any favorable movement for the Flames.  I think Boston will have options to navigate around.  I don't think Boston can handle having both Lucic and Foligno given their current abilities.

[conundrumed]

3 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

It comes down to what do you want.

 

You can look at it as the opportunity to trade a 4th liner for 3rd liner that fills an organizational need, RHS. By "helping" BOS navigate their cap, you get a significantly better player that makes your top 9 look a lot better. Lucic scored twice in 2022, if there's any interest you have to explore it

 

Edit- he's scored twice in the calendar year 2022

He went to Tuuka Rask's wedding with a lot of his Bruins pals. Shocking you'd be close friends.lol

"The Bruins are interested in Lucic".

What in the dying Blockchain, really?

[LouCifer]

Hey Peeps and TBC, I’m with you. We need a 2C and we need better depth to compete for a cup. Barzal would be a game changing 2C for us. Pushes Backlund to 3C. Mony and Looch’s cap coming off the books next year would more than accommodate Barzal’s next contract. I like Looch, but I Find it crazy that some on here wouldn’t trade him for a 3C / 3RW in Smith. He’s a right shot too. Blows my mind. The salary cap is a thing, but when there’s good players in a position of dire need available, you at least explore it. (yes, C is a position of dire need for this franchise and has been for a long long time. Count our lucky stars that Lindholm emerged as a great C) 

 

I’m not a Basketball fan, but Toronto got a championship for making a risky move in acquiring Kawhai Leonard for their franchise player for a single season. That’s balls. That’s why I look at P.Kane as a 1 year “put your nuts on the line and see what happens”. Play conservative and you get conservative results. 
 

I’m willing to take risks because the worst possible outcome is that we took a shot and didn’t win. Rebuild isn’t a swear word in my eyes. It’s welcome. The proper cycle should be 

Build

Grow

Compete for Championship

repeat. 

Lastly, regarding Lucic I’ll say this. How many of you were excited to see Fleury attempt a return? That’s nostalgia. Logic need not apply here. Don’t discount what Lucic would mean to Boston. You’re flames fans, not Bruins fans. 

[conundrumed]

13 minutes ago, LouCifer said:

 I like Looch, but I Find it crazy that some on here wouldn’t trade him for a 3C / 3RW in Smith. He’s a right shot too. Blows my mind. 

I don't remember Boston making that offer. But yeah...

[travel_dude]

4 hours ago, conundrumed said:

Rodrigues.

 

59 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

So Dube & Valimaki and a 2025 Florida 1st might not do it? lol

We're losing Weegar+ there.

I do not want Barzal. The cost & cap would be huge.

It would possibly make us worse.

 

40 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

He went to Tuuka Rask's wedding with a lot of his Bruins pals. Shocking you'd be close friends.lol

"The Bruins are interested in Lucic".

What in the dying Blockchain, really?

 

36 minutes ago, LouCifer said:

Hey Peeps and TBC, I’m with you. We need a 2C and we need better depth to compete for a cup. Barzal would be a game changing 2C for us. Pushes Backlund to 3C. Mony and Looch’s cap coming off the books next year would more than accommodate Barzal’s next contract.

 

Let me start at the top.  Rodriguez is one of the few that can play with top players nd look good.  He may not have scored a ton in the playoffs, but they were important ones.  He's a RHS C.  W could use that in the middle 6.  Whether you have Toffoli on RW or Mange on LW, this could be a scoring line.  Yes, I think ER pushes Pelts and Rozie to be better.  One of them get LW.  Rozie could learn from ER and take strong side draws.  Or Pelts could dish to both ER and Toffoli.  If you have Toffoli on top line, you could have Manhge at LW, Rozi at C and ER pn RW.

 

I think the Lucic stuff is perhaps some wishful thinking on BOS fans.  Nostalgia.  They haven't been able tp do much since he left, which is quite some time ago.  He doesn't get you going much, but he works up the crowds.  You could almost hear the NESN announcer yell, "He urned him into chowda with a wicked good hit".  I guess the point is we don't know what they plan on doing, the same way we don't know why the older guys came back.  Krejci seemed to imply he decided before the coach was hired.  I'm not going to blow smoke about it, just saying it's not a crazy idea.  Smith might not be what they would be willing to do, though.

 

I just don't seem them trading Barzal this season.  They need to figure out what they need more than signing one guy and trading their top guy.  Nelson or Lee might be more apt to be traded.  Anyway, when we gain more cap next year (and have to spend some of it), we can figure out what to target.  Barzal then might make sense.  Or some other player shakes loose.  

[sak22]

1 hour ago, LouCifer said:

. I like Looch, but I Find it crazy that some on here wouldn’t trade him for a 3C / 3RW in Smith. . 

There is a BIG difference between me saying I wouldn't do it, vs. I don't think Boston would.  I still haven't seen a good reason why they should or would do that.  Smith is still good enough that if they needed to move him for cap reasons, they could and not have to take a more expensive/less productive player in return, and again they already have a 34 year old LW who makes almost 4 million who only scored 2 goals last year.  

[robrob74]

39 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

 

 

 

Let me start at the top.  Rodriguez is one of the few that can play with top players nd look good.  He may not have scored a ton in the playoffs, but they were important ones.  He's a RHS C.  W could use that in the middle 6.  Whether you have Toffoli on RW or Mange on LW, this could be a scoring line.  Yes, I think ER pushes Pelts and Rozie to be better.  One of them get LW.  Rozie could learn from ER and take strong side draws.  Or Pelts could dish to both ER and Toffoli.  If you have Toffoli on top line, you could have Manhge at LW, Rozi at C and ER pn RW.

 

I think the Lucic stuff is perhaps some wishful thinking on BOS fans.  Nostalgia.  They haven't been able tp do much since he left, which is quite some time ago.  He doesn't get you going much, but he works up the crowds.  You could almost hear the NESN announcer yell, "He urned him into chowda with a wicked good hit".  I guess the point is we don't know what they plan on doing, the same way we don't know why the older guys came back.  Krejci seemed to imply he decided before the coach was hired.  I'm not going to blow smoke about it, just saying it's not a crazy idea.  Smith might not be what they would be willing to do, though.

 

I just don't seem them trading Barzal this season.  They need to figure out what they need more than signing one guy and trading their top guy.  Nelson or Lee might be more apt to be traded.  Anyway, when we gain more cap next year (and have to spend some of it), we can figure out what to target.  Barzal then might make sense.  Or some other player shakes loose.  

 

you'd think they'd trade him now as he'd probably have more value now than when he has one year. Although Tkachuk got more than I expected. 
 

but NYI should get more and possibly players who can play now for him if going to deal. 

[The_People1]

Would JT Miller be cheaper than Barzal?  He's pending UFA.  29 years old.  99-point #2C.  1-year rental basically.

 

What would the Canucks want from us?