2023/24 Roster/Lines

[travel_dude]

So the roster changes keep happening.

Hanley and Hunt out, Okhotiuk in.

Markstrom the starter.

Trap game.

[cross16]

Haven't really like Hanley so I agree with giving the guy you gave up a 5th round pick for more leeway. 

[TheBurn]

Instead of playing him down the lineup, we need to bench Huberdeau every time he makes a no look l pass. By the time next season starts, he will hopefully have it out of his game.  

 

He is not lacking effort, just kills the play everytime trying to make cute passes. He is spoiled from playing with Barkov who could retrieve it and stickhandle it around the d.

[cross16]

1 hour ago, TheBurn said:

Instead of playing him down the lineup, we need to bench Huberdeau every time he makes a no look l pass. By the time next season starts, he will hopefully have it out of his game.  

 

He is not lacking effort, just kills the play everytime trying to make cute passes. He is spoiled from playing with Barkov who could retrieve it and stickhandle it around the d.

He hardly played with Barkov

[TheBurn]

61 of his 115 points were with Barkov on the ice in 2022 even though his most common linemates were Duclair and Bennett that year. 

 

They were also each others most common linemates for many years prior. 

 

 

[sak22]

 

This is as expected.  Full list of nominees: Masterton Trophy nominations announced | NHL.com

[travel_dude]

5 minutes ago, sak22 said:

 

This is as expected.  Full list of nominees: Masterton Trophy nominations announced | NHL.com

 

I don't know the stories of the other players nominated, but at quick glance it was players that were injured, or had a long road to the NHL.  Hrumph.  There are guys deserving no doubt.  Maybe Kylington doesn't match all the qualities necessary, but he is certainly a shining example of what tolls the sport can take on a person and what it might take to make it back.  I personally think it's the kind of story that the NHL needs to show at this point.  Fighting, scandals, rapists (suspected), CTE, player gambling, player douchebaggness; nice to have positive stuff for a change.

[Sarasti]

5 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I don't know the stories of the other players nominated, but at quick glance it was players that were injured, or had a long road to the NHL.  Hrumph.  There are guys deserving no doubt.  Maybe Kylington doesn't match all the qualities necessary, but he is certainly a shining example of what tolls the sport can take on a person and what it might take to make it back.  I personally think it's the kind of story that the NHL needs to show at this point.  Fighting, scandals, rapists (suspected), CTE, player gambling, player douchebaggness; nice to have positive stuff for a change.

 

Nothing to add to this. 

I agree wholeheartedly.

Shilly is well deserving.

[robrob74]

The problem with taking guys off lines they've had most success on is they might not replicate it with other teammates...

[travel_dude]

3 hours ago, robrob74 said:

The problem with taking guys off lines they've had most success on is they might not replicate it with other teammates...

 

What Huska said about Zary is appropriate.  He said young guys don't deserve to play if they aren't playing at their best.  He quoted Weegar's comments about showing up.  The only issue I have with that is that some of the vets are in that boat but never get sat.  Zary maybe deserved to sit, though I thought he was no worse than his linemates that last game.  

[robrob74]

Just now, travel_dude said:

 

What Huska said about Zary is appropriate.  He said young guys don't deserve to play if they aren't playing at their best.  He quoted Weegar's comments about showing up.  The only issue I have with that is that some of the vets are in that boat but never get sat.  Zary maybe deserved to sit, though I thought he was no worse than his linemates that last game.  

I agree with that. They need to hold everyone to that standard. While he called out vets, I think it means more if vets get sat too.

[travel_dude]

8 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

I agree with that. They need to hold everyone to that standard. While he called out vets, I think it means more if vets get sat too.

 

I mean it's quite possible that the coach knows a lot more about what the players are doing than us casual observers.  For instance, Huberdeau could suck in a game but he is still giving 100%.  When Weegar is talking about floaters, I honestly have no idea who he means.  Guys that won't block a shot (Backlund)?  Guys that avoid hits?  No idea.

[cberg]

Hope the Zary at C experiment continues till the end.  Zary was flying, making plays and demanding the puck like never before on Saturday.  I’d like him with Coronato too but perhaps give him a couple more games to get comfortable?

[travel_dude]

2 hours ago, cberg said:

Hope the Zary at C experiment continues till the end.  Zary was flying, making plays and demanding the puck like never before on Saturday.  I’d like him with Coronato too but perhaps give him a couple more games to get comfortable?

 

I think they should keep him at C as well.  I don't think it's the right time to pair him with the other rookie without a top player.  With Pospisil he had Kadri, to both handle the C spot and to balance out the skills.  Honestly, I can't tell you what the lines were through the entire game, but it appeared that it was Huberdeau-Zary-Sharky.  That allowed them to play Backlund against McD (and Draibaby?), and at least get sawed off results with Zary at C.

 

Kylington is day to day after the friendly fire hit at the blueline.  Solo should draw in, but it's anyone's guess who gets rewarded with games.  I doubt they play Kylington again if it's concussion related, but I think it was mostly upper body (shoulder/arm).     

[travel_dude]

Coleman out day to day.

Not sure of who is coming in, but likely Hunt and Duehr in.

Mangiapane was able to play last game, so one less.

Kylington skating, but as an extra D.

I don't think there is a need to bring him back unless he is 100%.

Even then, these are meaningless games and you can evaluate others.

[420since1974]

Barring any trades or injuries prior to the 2024/2025 season, all 13 forwards currently signed to the Flames roster must pass through waivers before they can be sent down to the AHL.

Calgary can certainly afford to carry a 14th forward; to me Pelletier and Coronato are the best candidates.

Coronato is still waiver exempt, but prospects like Pelletier, Klapka, and Schwindt are not.

I'd expect that Duehr and Hunt would be probably be the the likeliest to be sent down and I feel that both could slide through unclaimed.

If both Zary and Pospisil end up playing at C, Rooney may be the odd man out.

[cberg]

5 hours ago, 420since1974 said:

Barring any trades or injuries prior to the 2024/2025 season, all 13 forwards currently signed to the Flames roster must pass through waivers before they can be sent down to the AHL.

Calgary can certainly afford to carry a 14th forward; to me Pelletier and Coronato are the best candidates.

Coronato is still waiver exempt, but prospects like Pelletier, Klapka, and Schwindt are not.

I'd expect that Duehr and Hunt would be probably be the the likeliest to be sent down and I feel that both could slide through unclaimed.

If both Zary and Pospisil end up playing at C, Rooney may be the odd man out.

Agree, Coronato still safe, the rest it is pretty much do or face loss via waivers.  Pelletier as a first rounder, and Klapka due to his unique skills are likely the most vulnerable.  

[travel_dude]

6 hours ago, 420since1974 said:

Barring any trades or injuries prior to the 2024/2025 season, all 13 forwards currently signed to the Flames roster must pass through waivers before they can be sent down to the AHL.

Calgary can certainly afford to carry a 14th forward; to me Pelletier and Coronato are the best candidates.

Coronato is still waiver exempt, but prospects like Pelletier, Klapka, and Schwindt are not.

I'd expect that Duehr and Hunt would be probably be the the likeliest to be sent down and I feel that both could slide through unclaimed.

If both Zary and Pospisil end up playing at C, Rooney may be the odd man out.

 

I think Rooney was a good man for a team needing some late season help after turmoil if trades.  I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have him competing with kids for a roster spot.  It's no different than with Hunt, who is really more like a fixer that we need now.  The difficulty with putting a lineup together after a major re-tool is the coach seems to still have different ideas.  He wants to win.  He may believe that both Hunt and Rooney give him the better chance to win a game.  I think the coach and GM need to sit down and work out what the goals are for this team and what they can do to work together.

 

While Pelletier is not waiver exempt, he can be parked in the NHL with little impact.  He's not going to clear waivers, so no choice.  Play him or don't.  Keep him or trade him.  Coronato, while maybe the better of the two currently, can be parked.  I doubt they choose Hunt or Rooney over him for the season start, unless it's a pure numbers game and we can't have the 15th F be from an exempt player.  Klapka is still exempt.  

[cberg]

Not sure where this should go, so it’s here. At development camp this morning.  Mostly drills with 5 mins scrimmaging at the end.  Some of the drills were pretty tough, with severe skating cutbacks and multiple quick shots in sequence. A few guys fell and had challenges with the skating, other guys the shooting.  Most were just fine.  In the first group notable guys were: Silye, Misa and Battaglia.  In the second group: ZParekh, Jamiesan, Morton, Honzeg, Gridin and Morin.  By notable I mean fairly consistent accurate shooting, crisp passing and recieving and good skating.  Others too just not as consistent or at the far end of the rink.  

[conundrumed]

34 minutes ago, cberg said:

Not sure where this should go, so it’s here. At development camp this morning.  Mostly drills with 5 mins scrimmaging at the end.  Some of the drills were pretty tough, with severe skating cutbacks and multiple quick shots in sequence. A few guys fell and had challenges with the skating, other guys the shooting.  Most were just fine.  In the first group notable guys were: Silye, Misa and Battaglia.  In the second group: ZParekh, Jamiesan, Morton, Honzeg, Grikin and Morin.  By notable I mean fairly consistent accurate shooting, crisp passing and recieving and good skating.  Others too just not as consistent or at the far end of the rink.  

Misa really intrigues me. I've got a friend on the staff in Mississauga that raves about him. A bit undersized, but can control a really great pace and create chaos from it. 150th really shocked me. I thought 3rd rd max.

[cberg]

24 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

Misa really intrigues me. I've got a friend on the staff in Mississauga that raves about him. A bit undersized, but can control a really great pace and create chaos from it. 150th really shocked me. I thought 3rd rd max.

He was definitely notable this morning, he had some of the best skating and consistent accurate shooting. I believe some rankings had him in the second round.  

[cberg]

I was wondering about developing language related lines, specifically a French one perhaps including Huberdeau, Pelletier and our new signing, Mantha.  I had read somewhere that Hubs and Mantha live close and practice together in the summer.  I guess you’d need a C but that aside for camaraderie and communication it would probably be better than Hubs as an island.  We have several other groupings that I’ll be interested in following up… 

 

Would signing the elder Parekh be the same sort of thing, even to the Wranglers?  Ian didn’t look out of place this morning, who knows?

[rocketdoctor]

1 hour ago, cberg said:

 

Would signing the elder Parekh be the same sort of thing, even to the Wranglers?  Ian didn’t look out of place this morning, who knows?

 

He is off to Bemedi Uni

[conundrumed]

1 hour ago, rocketdoctor said:

 

He is off to Bemedi Uni

I absolutely love Bemidji. What a fun little town.

[420since1974]

16 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I think Rooney was a good man for a team needing some late season help after turmoil if trades.  I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have him competing with kids for a roster spot.  It's no different than with Hunt, who is really more like a fixer that we need now.  The difficulty with putting a lineup together after a major re-tool is the coach seems to still have different ideas.  He wants to win.  He may believe that both Hunt and Rooney give him the better chance to win a game.  I think the coach and GM need to sit down and work out what the goals are for this team and what they can do to work together.

 

While Pelletier is not waiver exempt, he can be parked in the NHL with little impact.  He's not going to clear waivers, so no choice.  Play him or don't.  Keep him or trade him.  Coronato, while maybe the better of the two currently, can be parked.  I doubt they choose Hunt or Rooney over him for the season start, unless it's a pure numbers game and we can't have the 15th F be from an exempt player.  Klapka is still exempt.  

My mistake.

You are correct, Klapka is exempt from waivers.