Bill Peters - 17th Flames Coach

[JTech780]

 

[Cowtownguy]

I don't really know enough about Peters. It doesn't look like he has had much success at the NHL level. 

[travel_dude]

1 minute ago, Cowtownguy said:

I don't really know enough about Peters. It doesn't look like he has had much success at the NHL level. 

 

Depends how you measure success of a crappy team.

Pretty hard to do much with a .888 goalie you just signed long term.

Strangely enough, they finished only 1 point back of CGY.

Not exactly a team of superstars.

[Cowtownguy]

6 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Depends how you measure success of a crappy team.

Pretty hard to do much with a .888 goalie you just signed long term.

Strangely enough, they finished only 1 point back of CGY.

Not exactly a team of superstars.

I suppose that is what I mean. He has not had major NHL experience, but he has had a weak team with significant holes. Is this a significant upgrade over GG?

[Carty]

22 minutes ago, Cowtownguy said:

I don't really know enough about Peters. It doesn't look like he has had much success at the NHL level. 

 

No playoffs for for the Canes in the 4 seasons Peters was coach...   But the rest of his resume is pretty good...

 

3 season with the Wings as assistant for Babcock before he coached the Canes...   and Prior to the NHL Peters coached the gold medal-winning under-18 Canadian team at the Ivan Hilinka Memorial Tournament in 2008, with future NHL'ers Hall, O'Reilly, B, Schenn, E, Kane and Duchene on the roster among others...   Also served as head coach of Canada's gold-medal-winning team at the 2016 IIHF World Championships... Assistant coach for Team Canada's championship teams at the 2015 IIHF World Championship and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey...   It was also recently announced that Peters will serve as head coach for Canada's squad at the 2018 IIHF World Championship...

 

Not my first pick if he ends up as coach for the Flames...   But they could (and have a couple of times) made a worse choice...

 

If Peters is the new coach, I'm pretty sure he'll be an upgrade on Gulutzan...

[DirtyDeeds]

2 hours ago, Carty said:

 

No playoffs for for the Canes in the 4 seasons Peters was coach...   But the rest of his resume is pretty good...

 

3 season with the Wings as assistant for Babcock before he coached the Canes...   and Prior to the NHL Peters coached the gold medal-winning under-18 Canadian team at the Ivan Hilinka Memorial Tournament in 2008, with future NHL'ers Hall, O'Reilly, B, Schenn, E, Kane and Duchene on the roster among others...   Also served as head coach of Canada's gold-medal-winning team at the 2016 IIHF World Championships... Assistant coach for Team Canada's championship teams at the 2015 IIHF World Championship and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey...   It was also recently announced that Peters will serve as head coach for Canada's squad at the 2018 IIHF World Championship...

 

Not my first pick if he ends up as coach for the Flames...   But they could (and have a couple of times) made a worse choice...

 

If Peters is the new coach, I'm pretty sure he'll be an upgrade on Gulutzan...

Fan 960 had the local Carolina hockey newspaper guy on. he had some interesting things to say:

 

He said the team never had an identity under Peters. (Sounds like Flames under GG)

He said while the possession numbers were always good it never got them into the playoffs(4 years)

He also said that team got pushed around a lot. Not just by big teams.

 

More I listened the more I said he is not much different and would be a big mistake.

 

He is not my first choice nor my 2nd or 3rd. It all is looking rushed and I got the feeling the Fan960 was giving us the pre sell job on him....

 

[cross16]

At the same time, that same writer also said he thought Peters was a good coach that he was somewhat hamstrung by bad goaltending choices and a not so good roster. Said he could see Peters having more success with a better roster. 

[ABC923]

8 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Fan 960 had the local Carolina hockey newspaper guy on. he had some interesting things to say:

 

He said the team never had an identity under Peters. (Sounds like Flames under GG)

He said while the possession numbers were always good it never got them into the playoffs(4 years)

He also said that team got pushed around a lot. Not just by big teams.

 

More I listened the more I said he is not much different and would be a big mistake.

 

He is not my first choice nor my 2nd or 3rd. It all is looking rushed and I got the feeling the Fan960 was giving us the pre sell job on him....

 

Your forgetting the part about how the canes generated lots of scoring chances but just couldn’t seem to finish.  It’s not like that could be a problem here...right?

 

That interview today could easily have described GG and his team.  Not encouraging.

[rickross]

6 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Fan 960 had the local Carolina hockey newspaper guy on. he had some interesting things to say:

 

He said the team never had an identity under Peters. (Sounds like Flames under GG)

He said while the possession numbers were always good it never got them into the playoffs(4 years)

He also said that team got pushed around a lot. Not just by big teams.

 

More I listened the more I said he is not much different and would be a big mistake.

 

He is not my first choice nor my 2nd or 3rd. It all is looking rushed and I got the feeling the Fan960 was giving us the pre sell job on him....

 

My thoughts exactly. Peters may be an upgrade over GG but I don't feel he's the best choice. i don't like how ppl are already making excuses for Peters lack of NHL success with the Canes. I rather have the coach that found success with the odds stacked against them....not the one that faltered for 4 straight years. If BT is placing so much stock in NHL experience then Peters isn't your guy. I'd rather A coach with a proven record then another coaching experiment in Calgary. If Peters falters then BT should follow him out the door. 

[robrob74]

22 minutes ago, rickross said:

My thoughts exactly. Peters may be an upgrade over GG but I don't feel he's the best choice. i don't like how ppl are already making excuses for Peters lack of NHL success with the Canes. I rather have the coach that found success with the odds stacked against them....not the one that faltered for 4 straight years. If BT is placing so much stock in NHL experience then Peters isn't your guy. I'd rather A coach with a proven record then another coaching experiment in Calgary. If Peters falters then BT should follow him out the door. 

 

Yet we can chastise ex coaches who had worse rosters and their records/winning %. We are willing to give others the benefit of the doubt because they didn’t have goaltending? Well, we haven’t had goaltending since Kipper, and going through the rebuild we still judge them on their win %? 

 

I guess that means I should give him the benefit of the doubt then. 

 

So, we are getting much of the same? Rinse and repeat.

 

i don’t mind the team when they’re firing on all cylinders. The problem was getting that more than 60% of the time, or getting high quality scoring chances. Shot generation isn’t enough. 

[rickross]

6 hours ago, robrob74 said:

 

Yet we can chastise ex coaches who had worse rosters and their records/winning %. We are willing to give others the benefit of the doubt because they didn’t have goaltending? Well, we haven’t had goaltending since Kipper, and going through the rebuild we still judge them on their win %? 

 

I guess that means I should give him the benefit of the doubt then. 

 

So, we are getting much of the same? Rinse and repeat.

 

i don’t mind the team when they’re firing on all cylinders. The problem was getting that more than 60% of the time, or getting high quality scoring chances. Shot generation isn’t enough. 

I'm not even basing this off winning %, I'm just saying if BT is stating how "critical" NHL experience is then Peters may not be the best option. I just we rather not gamble on another coach with another small sample size as an NHL head coach. I'd love nothing more than for Peters to prove me wrong should he be the next HC of the Flames. I just don't like the idea of replacing one unsuccessful NHL coach with another unscuccesful NHL HC. 

[conundrumed]

10 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:

Fan 960 had the local Carolina hockey newspaper guy on. he had some interesting things to say:

 

He said the team never had an identity under Peters. (Sounds like Flames under GG)

He said while the possession numbers were always good it never got them into the playoffs(4 years)

He also said that team got pushed around a lot. Not just by big teams.

 

More I listened the more I said he is not much different and would be a big mistake.

 

He is not my first choice nor my 2nd or 3rd. It all is looking rushed and I got the feeling the Fan960 was giving us the pre sell job on him....

 

I have the same sentiment that it feels rushed.

I can’t speak to Peters specifically, but I will say that the Canes are NOT a lesser talented team than us.

From their fans I’ve heard, “sick of looking like world beaters for 3 games, and the worst team in the league for 10”.

Also, “why can’t they show up when it matters”?

Their frustration near exactly mirrors ours.

 

[cross16]

Succes and failure are very relative terms when you are looking at a coach imo. A lot of factors go into it and not all are in the coaches control. 

 

Really quick math but if all you did was give last years Canes the Flames team save percentage it cuts twenty five goals off their goals against and would give them a dead even goal differential in all situations. A good chance the Canes make the playoffs if that is the case. 

 

Sutter is probably the only veteran coach that was out there that I would have felt safer with. The rest are imo just as risky as Peters

[phoenix66]

14 hours ago, JTech780 said:

 

Sounds like its a done deal .

 

I'll go on record as saying I like it . he was admittedly my second choice (Sutter was my 1st) but its hard not to like it 

I read in more than one place BT asked about Peters 2 years ago when he was still under contract (was told No ).. i don't think he's "getting a coach just like GG" I think 2 years ago , he wanted a coach Just like Peters.

 

I said more than once last couple years , I have NO issues with how GG wanted this team to play , so if the systems are similar , that's a good thing .. it means we don't write off a season waiting for the players to learn it .

My issues with GG, (and if he had done it would likely still be here ) were accountability(which leads to motivated play), player usage and management . Peters brings that . it 100% aligns with BTs demand of continuity.

Peters wont be shy to bench a player not pulling his weight regardless of his salary or profile, or call one out . We can probably expect press conferences similar to Todd in Edmonton -- truthful and candid 

 

Any of the coaches people were wanting have Warts(perceived or otherwise)

AV - cant win without a vet lineup 

Sutter - too slow, needs a big heavy team 

Boudreau, Trotz - can't win in the playoffs 

even Babcock himself hasn't gotten past the 1st round in years 

 

Point being , if Peters can bring some accountability and compete level into this team. hes a major upgrade even if his team plays the same way GG had them playing (on good nights )

 

Now i just want BT to help / let him get some real assistants (his 2 in Carolina were Steve Smith and Brindamour...ouch) and 1 HAS to be a PP specialist 

 

 

for GG, i hope he catches on with a team as an Assistant where he can learn this final piece .. i don't think we have seen the last of him as a HC in this league and next time he will be ready . Word is teams have called and asked to talk to him already 

[MAC331]

11 hours ago, cross16 said:

At the same time, that same writer also said he thought Peters was a good coach that he was somewhat hamstrung by bad goaltending choices and a not so good roster. Said he could see Peters having more success with a better roster. 

Or a roster that is ready to win. I think people are getting way off base with the thinking that a coach is who drives wins. It is the players that make a coach not the other way around. Everything has to come together for the group and our team is closer than most want to admit.

[MAC331]

4 hours ago, rickross said:

I'm not even basing this off winning %, I'm just saying if BT is stating how "critical" NHL experience is then Peters may not be the best option. I just we rather not gamble on another coach with another small sample size as an NHL head coach. I'd love nothing more than for Peters to prove me wrong should he be the next HC of the Flames. I just don't like the idea of replacing one unsuccessful NHL coach with another unscuccesful NHL HC. 

What describes success for you ? GG had a winning record while here for 2 seasons.

[MAC331]

1 hour ago, conundrumed said:

I have the same sentiment that it feels rushed.

I can’t speak to Peters specifically, but I will say that the Canes are NOT a lesser talented team than us.

From their fans I’ve heard, “sick of looking like world beaters for 3 games, and the worst team in the league for 10”.

Also, “why can’t they show up when it matters”?

Their frustration near exactly mirrors ours.

 

It comes back to roster building for CAR when you take everything into consideration and being at a stage where they are ready to win. Jordan Staal is their #1 C but he is no more than a Backlund. Ward was a good Goaltender for years but a continuous revolving roster. I think Darling will prove out but people want instant results, look at the comment here regarding Rittich. People get frustrated because they expect to much to soon.

[MAC331]

14 minutes ago, phoenix66 said:

Sounds like its a done deal .

 

I'll go on record as saying I like it . he was admittedly my second choice (Sutter was my 1st) but its hard not to like it 

I read in more than one place BT asked about Peters 2 years ago when he was still under contract (was told No ).. i don't think he's "getting a coach just like GG" I think 2 years ago , he wanted a coach Just like Peters.

 

I said more than once last couple years , I have NO issues with how GG wanted this team to play , so if the systems are similar , that's a good thing .. it means we don't write off a season waiting for the players to learn it .

My issues with GG, (and if he had done it would likely still be here ) were accountability(which leads to motivated play), player usage and management . Peters brings that . it 100% aligns with BTs demand of continuity.

Peters wont be shy to bench a player not pulling his weight regardless of his salary or profile, or call one out . We can probably expect press conferences similar to Todd in Edmonton -- truthful and candid 

 

Any of the coaches people were wanting have Warts(perceived or otherwise)

AV - cant win without a vet lineup 

Sutter - too slow, needs a big heavy team 

Boudreau, Trotz - can't win in the playoffs 

even Babcock himself hasn't gotten past the 1st round in years 

 

Point being , if Peters can bring some accountability and compete level into this team. hes a major upgrade even if his team plays the same way GG had them playing (on good nights )

 

Now i just want BT to help / let him get some real assistants (his 2 in Carolina were Steve Smith and Brindamour...ouch) and 1 HAS to be a PP specialist 

 

 

for GG, i hope he catches on with a team as an Assistant where he can learn this final piece .. i don't think we have seen the last of him as a HC in this league and next time he will be ready . Word is teams have called and asked to talk to him already 

Why not GG as an assistant here ?

[travel_dude]

Whoever is picked to be the next coach, I only hope that they do a good job with younger players and prospects.

Watching Bennett was painful.  Having him and Janko struggle at the same time was worse.

Using Andersson next to Stone was a mistake.

Did Klimchuk even play?  I remember the game he started, but can;t remember more than a shift.

We all know Tkachuk can play on the 3M line.  IS that it?

 

Peters was critical of Lack.  Probably he was right.  Let's hope that he can recognize when it's time to start a goalie or see what he's doing in games and make a change.

Even if the goalie coach is responsible for making the starter choice (I doubt it), the head coach needs to make that final call.  And pull him early enough when he struggles.

 

 

 

[Blouis]

Enough already with Peters, Vigneault & Trotz   think outside the box      vote Martin Gelinas  

 

[JTech780]

 

This gives a bit of an idea of how Peters uses his young players.

[rickross]

1 hour ago, MAC331 said:

What describes success for you ? GG had a winning record while here for 2 seasons.

Success in the NHL is a consistently competitive playoff bound team. If the coach gives his team a shot at the Stanley Cup year in and year out by obtaining a playoff berth, that's a successful NHL coach IMO. GG had a positive winning percentage here and made the playoffs but never won even 1 playoff game. Flames limped into a playoff spot that year and weren't even close this year. GG was fired because he was unsuccessful.

[conundrumed]

1 hour ago, MAC331 said:

What describes success for you ? GG had a winning record while here for 2 seasons.

82-82 is one win away from a winning record, just saying.

OTL is still a L.

[cross16]

18 minutes ago, rickross said:

Success in the NHL is a consistently competitive playoff bound team. If the coach gives his team a shot at the Stanley Cup year in and year out by obtaining a playoff berth, that's a successful NHL coach IMO. GG had a positive winning percentage here and made the playoffs but never won even 1 playoff game. Flames limped into a playoff spot that year and weren't even close this year. GG was fired because he was unsuccessful.

 

How much credit are you willing to give the coach? 

 

AV with the Habs was below .500

Gerrard Gallant was a mess in Columbus. 

Peter Deboer never made the playoffs in Florida

Mike Sullivan won less than 30 games his second year with the Bruins. 

 

Coaches we would consider successfull today at one point were considered failures too. 

 

[JTech780]

Just to add to earlier tweet.