robrob74 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, The_People1 said:  Oh right 3rd. So we get back a 3rd from Chicago. How ironic.  But I guess that's a net win in the end then. We gained Zadorov's services for two years and a 5th rounder.  It is Canucks 3rd Rounder in 2026 and Chi 5th rounder in 2024. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 Leafs wanted to trade for him too, but the Leafs wanted Salary retention. Vancouver didn't need salary retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 I can imagine Leafs Nation collectively stressing over less available D options. maybe gets more interest in Tanev or Hanifin?   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, JTech780 said: We paid a 3rd for him and most felt that we overpaid for him. Sometimes I wonder if the crowd fell in love with the person or the player. The person was always good for a quote and loved being here, I feel the love for the person overlooked his warts as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, The_People1 said:  Oh right 3rd. So we get back a 3rd from Chicago. How ironic.  But I guess that's a net win in the end then. We gained Zadorov's services for two years and a 5th rounder.  CHI pick is the 5th this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 Zadorov was basically our only heavy weight tough guy. I still believe in deterrent roles and hopefully our players don't start taking cheap shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 SN fawning all over VAN. Good luck in the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 That a horrible return, Conroy aught to have wait this mouth longer…  thats 2 blown trades now for Conroy he’s not inspiring much faith and confidence…  the only way this makes any sense is like VCR did, he’s clearing cap room to manage larger trades…maybe there is something to the NYI deal? If that’s the case maybe they view Romanov as a upgrade to Zaddy  IDK at the moment this trade is horrible but before being too judgmental I’m gonna wait and see if this is a move to facilitate a larger better deal…it kinda feels like it at the moment I can see moving 1 d to drive the price up on the other two…now there is one less D so maybe a team panics now? Also it dose clear some cap room to take on a bad contract to make other deals so…a lateral gain on zaddy could make sense and work out…  my major concerns at the moment are:  1. this move is to make room to resign Lindholm and other UFA’s which in effect he just weakened the team  2. and more concerning…Conroy is being take for a sucker and is making panic deals to just get anything..  I think we will need to wait and see for now before calling this one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulstad Posted November 30, 2023 Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, conundrumed said: Not a new thread? You're welcome 🙃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 The Flames didn’t retain. That’s being overlooked here.  Thats why the return is what it is.  You can only retain on three contracts, the Flames have four UFA’s….  One return was always gonna be limited because there would be no retention, which happens to be the Z trade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, MP5029 said: That a horrible return, Conroy aught to have wait this mouth longer…  thats 2 blown trades now for Conroy he’s not inspiring much faith and confidence…  the only way this makes any sense is like VCR did, he’s clearing cap room to manage larger trades…maybe there is something to the NYI deal? If that’s the case maybe they view Romanov as a upgrade to Zaddy  IDK at the moment this trade is horrible but before being too judgmental I’m gonna wait and see if this is a move to facilitate a larger better deal…it kinda feels like it at the moment I can see moving 1 d to drive the price up on the other two…now there is one less D so maybe a team panics now? Also it dose clear some cap room to take on a bad contract to make other deals so…a lateral gain on zaddy could make sense and work out…  my major concerns at the moment are:  1. this move is to make room to resign Lindholm and other UFA’s which in effect he just weakened the team  2. and more concerning…Conroy is being take for a sucker and is making panic deals to just get anything..  I think we will need to wait and see for now before calling this one OK then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Zadorov was basically our only heavy weight tough guy. I still believe in deterrent roles and hopefully our players don't start taking cheap shots. Heavyweight maybe, tough guy? Not really. His hits are going to be missed more than any fighting he has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, Kulstad said: You're welcome 🙃 You're thanked😘 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 I just checked on cap friendly…this give Cgy around 5.1 in cap space…that kinda has me thinking…  1. extend and trade for Hanifin  2. could very well have that 5.1 grow for more moves after trading Hanifin on an extension…  3. retain or take on bad contracts to facilitate trades   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu12 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 I really loved Bid Z punishing hits and he has a pretty good wrist shot. And when he is on, he also plays a pretty solid D game. Though I think his game also slipped after his trade request. So maybe it was the right time to trade him, who know's. And yeah most 3rd pairing guys don't get you more than a 3rd. But overall Zadorov's play improved in his time here and a big, physical D-man would be in demand for playoff teams, that want to go deep. That's why I thought we should get at least a 2nd, especially from a division rival. Â And that the 3rd is 3 drafts from now is also not helping us anytime soon, unless we use it in another trade. Â Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Apparently the Flames are able to retain on three players per year, and this doesn't burn any of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Gotta love social media sometimes... Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 And Van moved out Beauvilier for Z.lol Agree with Sak, liked the person. Bottom pairing, whatever. Picks and no cap back is fine. Obviously no one wanted to give more than that. Didn't take another problem back is perfect. Everyone wants the world, this is reality, sorry about the crash landing.lol  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, conundrumed said: And Van moved out Beauvilier for Z.lol Agree with Sak, liked the person. Bottom pairing, whatever. Picks and no cap back is fine. Obviously no one wanted to give more than that. Didn't take another problem back is perfect. Everyone wants the world, this is reality, sorry about the crash landing.lol  I am guessing VAN offered Beauvillier + a 3rd and we said no. It's a good sign that we don't want ready bodies. Take the picks. Take the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: The Flames didn’t retain. That’s being overlooked here.  Thats why the return is what it is.  You can only retain on three contracts, the Flames have four UFA’s….  One return was always gonna be limited because there would be no retention, which happens to be the Z trade. I agree. It was smart not to retain here. Better to hold that card for the other assets that can garner more of a turn.  I don’t love the deal because I think they should have waited and I think they get more closer to the deadline or get picks not so get down the road. So I don’t like the deal from that perspective. Feels rushed.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 i look at it this way better something then nothing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, cross16 said: I agree. It was smart not to retain here. Better to hold that card for the other assets that can garner more of a turn.  I don’t love the deal because I think they should have waited and I think they get more closer to the deadline or get picks not so get down the road. So I don’t like the deal from that perspective. Feels rushed.  He potentially became a thorn and a distraction. Wasn't happy with his icetime...self-admitted "I speak my mind"...maybe he just had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Oh, and we get to expose him Saturday night!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 54 minutes ago, JTech780 said: I don’t think it would have made a difference, now or at the TDL. Really?  Montreal retained 50% of his $3.5M salary, so retaining only $1.75M netted them this return - at the trade deadline.  Don’t fool yourself. This is an underwhelming return for a player that would’ve generated a lot of interest at the trade deadline.  Boooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, LouCifer said: Really?  Montreal retained 50% of his $3.5M salary, so retaining only $1.75M netted them this return - at the trade deadline.  Don’t fool yourself. This is an underwhelming return for a player that would’ve generated a lot of interest at the trade deadline.  Boooooooooo! Chiarot's also better than Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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