JTech780 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, LouCifer said: Really? Montreal retained 50% of his $3.5M salary, so retaining only $1.75M netted them this return - at the trade deadline. Don’t fool yourself. This is an underwhelming return for a player that would’ve generated a lot of interest at the trade deadline. Boooooooooo! Ben Chiarot was playing over 23 mins a night when he was traded. The Flames were never ever going to get anything close to this in value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Regardless of where the pick is, the Flames still have to make a good pick. They got a 2nd for Reto Berra. Awesome deal by Burke. They picked Hunter Smith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, conundrumed said: Chiarot's also better than Z. 7 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Ben Chiarot was playing over 23 mins a night when he was traded. The Flames were never ever going to get anything close to this in value. Really? Last Three Year Stats Comparison 2021-2022 - 2023-2024 Search: Name Category Wins GP G A PTS SH% PTS/G EVG EVP PPG PPP SHG SHP SOG SOG/G SOG/60 +/- PIM FOW FO% Hits BkS TOI PPTOI SHTOI BEN CHIAROT 15 172 15 36 51 5.3 0.30 13 47 2 3 0 1 285 1.7 4.7 -36 111 0 0.0 337 331 21:21 00:38 02:37 NIKITA ZADOROV 12 177 19 30 49 7.2 0.28 19 48 0 1 0 0 265 1.5 5.0 15 180 0 0.0 396 143 17:55 00:11 01:31 Name BEN CHIAROT NIKITA ZADOROV Showing 1 to 2 of 2 entries 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, LouCifer said: Really? Last Three Year Stats Comparison 2021-2022 - 2023-2024 Search: Name Category Wins GP G A PTS SH% PTS/G EVG EVP PPG PPP SHG SHP SOG SOG/G SOG/60 +/- PIM FOW FO% Hits BkS TOI PPTOI SHTOI BEN CHIAROT 15 172 15 36 51 5.3 0.30 13 47 2 3 0 1 285 1.7 4.7 -36 111 0 0.0 337 331 21:21 00:38 02:37 NIKITA ZADOROV 12 177 19 30 49 7.2 0.28 19 48 0 1 0 0 265 1.5 5.0 15 180 0 0.0 396 143 17:55 00:11 01:31 Name BEN CHIAROT NIKITA ZADOROV Showing 1 to 2 of 2 entries It’s the mins per game Chiarot averaging over 21 mins Zadorov averaging 17 mins that’s the difference between a guy playing top pairing and bottom pairing. They weren’t going to get anywhere near the same return. Maybe he could’ve gotten a 2nd if he would have retained cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, LouCifer said: Really? Last Three Year Stats Comparison 2021-2022 - 2023-2024 Search: Name Category Wins GP G A PTS SH% PTS/G EVG EVP PPG PPP SHG SHP SOG SOG/G SOG/60 +/- PIM FOW FO% Hits BkS TOI PPTOI SHTOI BEN CHIAROT 15 172 15 36 51 5.3 0.30 13 47 2 3 0 1 285 1.7 4.7 -36 111 0 0.0 337 331 21:21 00:38 02:37 NIKITA ZADOROV 12 177 19 30 49 7.2 0.28 19 48 0 1 0 0 265 1.5 5.0 15 180 0 0.0 396 143 17:55 00:11 01:31 Name BEN CHIAROT NIKITA ZADOROV Showing 1 to 2 of 2 entries Chiarot's a solid 2nd pair. FLA thought they were getting a top pair, Detroit kinda did to, but him and Seider were like oil and water and dreadful together. Z is a 3rd pair without question, a fair bit before Chiarot would be considered one, and I don't particularly like Chiarot. If Chiarot would stop rushing, I'd maybe love him. He's pretty sound and physical defensively though. Let's face it, Z is flighty. His D play is awkward at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medatswhoP Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Gave Zad away basically for nothing, maybe there was more to it in the dressing room but we basically got a bag of pucks for him. Err. in my opinion for Conroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, conundrumed said: He potentially became a thorn and a distraction. Wasn't happy with his icetime...self-admitted "I speak my mind"...maybe he just had to go. It's also being a good employer. Player asked for a trade, it's unfortunate it had to go public. But still. Just do the right thing. Try to hurry it along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medatswhoP Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, The_People1 said: It's also being a good employer. Player asked for a trade, it's unfortunate it had to go public. But still. Just do the right thing. Try to hurry it along. I agree but on the business side (Conroy) you do what's best for the business not what's best for the player, although accommodating where it makes practical sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 44 minutes ago, LouCifer said: Really? Montreal retained 50% of his $3.5M salary, so retaining only $1.75M netted them this return - at the trade deadline. Don’t fool yourself. This is an underwhelming return for a player that would’ve generated a lot of interest at the trade deadline. Boooooooooo! I wouldn't have paid that for Chiarot, but as already pointed out the roles were different and in Chiarot's case he gained greater exposure playing big minutes for Montreal in the Stanley Cup finals the year before, Zadorov hasn't been past round 2 and his biggest Flames playoff highlight might have been contributing to McDavid's highlight reel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, medatswhoP said: I agree but on the business side (Conroy) you do what's best for the business not what's best for the player, although accommodating where it makes practical sense. That's the best offer/market value for a player like Zadorov. It truly is. Hard to sleight Conroy besides the 3rd being far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, conundrumed said: That's the best offer/market value for a player like Zadorov. It truly is. Hard to sleight Conroy besides the 3rd being far away. It sucks having to wait for it. From a VAN perspective, Zadorov will be long gone by then. "Why don't we have a 3rd. Oh right, Zadorov". Why the Flames didn't have a 2024 5th, until today? Ryan Carpenter trade from two years ago lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickross Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Not a great trade by Conroy but I’ll assume this was the best offer available. It must have been a pretty toxic situation if we couldn’t wait until closer to the trade deadline where teams tend to overpay. Conroy sitting at around a C- so far for me. We’ll see what becomes of the cap space and picks I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted December 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 The more annoying part of this is that we face Zaddy too many times for my liking. The advantage of a non-division trade is you only see them max twice. And in the cup finals. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, travel_dude said: The more annoying part of this is that we face Zaddy too many times for my liking. That's prolly actually a good thing.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_People1 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 40 minutes ago, conundrumed said: That's prolly actually a good thing.lol VAN is going to find out the hard way lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420since1974 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 I'm not unhappy with this trade at all. To begin with, we have no idea on how his agent's trade request impacted the dressing room. The Flames got the services of a 3rd pairing defence man for 2+ years and came out ahead with a 5th round draft pick. I'm not too worried about the in-division trade as no one knows if Vancouver will be able to re-sign him after this season. Even if they do, I'd only worry about his hits, not his abilities at either end of the ice or fighting skills. If anything, I feel that trading Zadorov this early just raised the price that Calgary can ask for Hanifin and Tanev at the TDL, albeit with one less potential buyer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 I don’t get the Chariott comparison either. He was a top 4 guy and was billed as someone who could matchup up against top players. Wasn’t accurate but it was the reason he got so much. Z needs to be sheltered to be good so he was never going to approach Chariott level returns. I understand the desire to build some space but I just would have preferred they waited to get a 2nd and a pick that isn’t a few years away. Nothing to get upset about it’s just a soft return. what might me the most excited about this deal is if they call up Solvoyov to play full time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted December 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 36 minutes ago, cross16 said: I don’t get the Chariott comparison either. He was a top 4 guy and was billed as someone who could matchup up against top players. Wasn’t accurate but it was the reason he got so much. Z needs to be sheltered to be good so he was never going to approach Chariott level returns. I understand the desire to build some space but I just would have preferred they waited to get a 2nd and a pick that isn’t a few years away. Nothing to get upset about it’s just a soft return. what might me the most excited about this deal is if they call up Solvoyov to play full time now. I do hope it's Solo that gets the call. Gilbert is fine, nothing special but he gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Listening to Conroy, he talked about how some teams are used as a third-party and gain picks or prospects out of it, and this deal might be a bridge to his ability to gain traction in that market. If he does pull that off, it is a breath of fresh air, as we tend to not be in those talks even if in some occasions we could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 hours ago, robrob74 said: If he does pull that off, it is a breath of fresh air, as we tend to not be in those talks even if in some occasions we could have. That's a good take by him. We've had zero cap to be offering that. It's nice that he's put it out there. He really did need to find wiggle room within the cap. He was left virtually zero which is a big handcuff for a new GM. How do you renovate your house with $0? Still dying to see what Pelts will add to the roster for cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Trying to do the math on the Horvat trade: Van trades: Horvat '23 2nd to Detroit '26 3rd to Calgary Van receives: Hronek Zadorov A. Raty '23 4th (Detroit) Is that correct? Beauvillier (5th rd pick) is a wash. NYI 1st is a wash (I think?). Decent return? *Connected via Beauvillier and the 5th... Edited to add the D 4th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz89 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 From what Conroy said what I get out of this is they needed to make room cap wise to bring up Corronato to try and get this atrocious PP going. The draft picks where probably the best deal available and not eat salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 Could have potentially made cap available for the return of Kylington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted December 1, 2023 Report Share Posted December 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, redfire11 said: Could have potentially made cap available for the return of Kylington Good take. If true, I’d be on board with that. Also, I’d be on board with weaponizing the cap space if that is truly the intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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