conundrumed Posted March 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2023 Oof. Vrana to St. Louis for pretty much nothing. That speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2023 Report Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, conundrumed said: Oof. Vrana to St. Louis for pretty much nothing. That speaks volumes. Wow, originally part of the Mantha trade. So, either the player is almost untouchable and the Wings got just enough or that is the value of a lesser player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Wow, originally part of the Mantha trade. So, either the player is almost untouchable and the Wings got just enough or that is the value of a lesser player. St. Loo has given us 1/4 of our team, so that has to be considered. But that's definitely a "go away" trade. Hopefully turns into a "fresh start" for the player. Detroit has the 1st they packaged to move up for Cossa, and Buchelnikov as a 2022 2nd rd pick remaining from that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2023 Report Share Posted March 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, conundrumed said: St. Loo has given us 1/4 of our team, so that has to be considered. But that's definitely a "go away" trade. Hopefully turns into a "fresh start" for the player. Detroit has the 1st they packaged to move up for Cossa, and Buchelnikov as a 2022 2nd rd pick remaining from that trade. Yeah, I saw that draft change from Johnson position to Cossa choice. Strange that CGY would not have offered anything, as I suspect they would have outbid STL. Maybe a problem child, but whatever. Risks are risks. Going all in with a pair of 2's gets you 9th in the West at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 3, 2023 Report Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, travel_dude said: Yeah, I saw that draft change from Johnson position to Cossa choice. Strange that CGY would not have offered anything, as I suspect they would have outbid STL. Maybe a problem child, but whatever. Risks are risks. Going all in with a pair of 2's gets you 9th in the West at best. tough call because apparently BT knows everything . So it maybe something the pro scouts don't like. I'm not sure the Flames have a very good pro scouting team, so there is that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2023 Report Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, robrob74 said: tough call because apparently BT knows everything . So it maybe something the pro scouts don't like. I'm not sure the Flames have a very good pro scouting team, so there is that too. I would agree with the latter. I have questioned is on a number of times. Almost like they read boxscores and make decisions like that. A lot of times the player is only good in a situation. Unless you recreate that, don't expect the same. Brouwer and Neal. Hamonic was broken and had a significant loss in his family. Lucic? Really? What was it other than contract $$ remaining? Smith? Yah he was good before the lightbulb was invented. Elliott 1B on a team, but played more like a 1A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2023 Assumed Sunny would go and a 4th is the right value. Didn't have a 2023 4th, why not.lol Minny quietly made their depth a bit better and adding Klingberg is a risk worth trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 4, 2023 Report Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, conundrumed said: Assumed Sunny would go and a 4th is the right value. Didn't have a 2023 4th, why not.lol Minny quietly made their depth a bit better and adding Klingberg is a risk worth trying. Klingon was exactly the type of deal we should have signed last summer. Just a one year thing where we have a tradeable asset. If we are in the top, we don't need to trade or we use to address another need. If we are like we are today, he gets a good haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 10:48 AM, travel_dude said: Klingon was exactly the type of deal we should have signed last summer. Just a one year thing where we have a tradeable asset. If we are in the top, we don't need to trade or we use to address another need. If we are like we are today, he gets a good haul. It's outright bizarre to skip an entire season after signing. Unprecedented? Can we actually argue against year 2 of it? Wings looking like they're in a position to take another step next year. 2-1sts and 3-2nds(high 2nds) at the draft table. $32mil in cap without needing much that you can't graduate (another G, a coupla bottom 6 fwds, a coupla D. With Johansson & Edvinsson likely up on D, Soderblom at F there isn't much needed. New pieces at the farm with Kasper, Wallinder, Lombardi, potentially Mazur and Buium. Could definitely add Meier with no problem. Just the '24 RFAs could be a big jump in payroll with Seider, Raymond and Berggren. Tons of potential after a decade of torment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 56 minutes ago, conundrumed said: It's outright bizarre to skip an entire season after signing. Unprecedented? Can we actually argue against year 2 of it? Wings looking like they're in a position to take another step next year. 2-1sts and 3-2nds(high 2nds) at the draft table. $32mil in cap without needing much that you can't graduate (another G, a coupla bottom 6 fwds, a coupla D. With Johansson & Edvinsson likely up on D, Soderblom at F there isn't much needed. New pieces at the farm with Kasper, Wallinder, Lombardi, potentially Mazur and Buium. Could definitely add Meier with no problem. Just the '24 RFAs could be a big jump in payroll with Seider, Raymond and Berggren. Tons of potential after a decade of torment. I don't know that they can get a year back on the contract. He's being paid. At best, they could suspend him and terminate it I think. That wouldn't be a good look, nor does any GM use that in these types of cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, travel_dude said: I don't know that they can get a year back on the contract. He's being paid. At best, they could suspend him and terminate it I think. That wouldn't be a good look, nor does any GM use that in these types of cases. Did we sign him knowing he wouldn't be in camp a month later? The silence is deafening, as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, conundrumed said: Did we sign him knowing he wouldn't be in camp a month later? The silence is deafening, as they say. We signed him August 2nd. Camp didn't start for quite some time. The contract avoided arbitration, so both parties were wanting to get it done. Even if they knew about the issues, they probably had no choice. Unsigned means no chance of playing this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 17 hours ago, travel_dude said: We signed him August 2nd. Camp didn't start for quite some time. The contract avoided arbitration, so both parties were wanting to get it done. Even if they knew about the issues, they probably had no choice. Unsigned means no chance of playing this year. Ok, not a month, 6 weeks. Alex Chiasson is back in the game. GR signed him in the AHL, now the Wings have signed him. Sweet assist last night with net presence. To think the Flames could've added him instead of Ritchie. Now they'll re-sign Ritchie and bring his brother back and my worst fears will be realized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 9, 2023 Report Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 hours ago, conundrumed said: Ok, not a month, 6 weeks. Alex Chiasson is back in the game. GR signed him in the AHL, now the Wings have signed him. Sweet assist last night with net presence. To think the Flames could've added him instead of Ritchie. Now they'll re-sign Ritchie and bring his brother back and my worst fears will be realized. He has one game where he did something. The next he just took penalties. I would be okay with Ritchie if he was a 20 goal scorer at $2M or less. But, I don't see the great work he is doing for us now. It's no different than asking his brother to play in the top 6. He can do stuff, worth about $750k. Last year we had a better balance of toughness and skill. This year we have lost the skill to try to play a tougher game. That was not the problem last year in the playoffs. We lacked secondary scoring when the top line dried up. Now, we don't even have the high end scoring from one line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 She's a tight race for the bottom 10. Cheering losses and an interesting offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, conundrumed said: She's a tight race for the bottom 10. Cheering losses and an interesting offseason. I had hope that DET would keep winning. ARI made EDM look really bad last night. EDM only won due to timely PP's and holding the player with the puck in OT. Against the Sharks, they needed 3 overturned goals to win. Yikes. If CGY can get Marky back in nets, we can give the teams below us a run for the bottom. Vladar looks like he might go on a heater. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 I wonder if D would have interest in Vladar, need a backup/potential 1a/1b with Husso at a decent cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, conundrumed said: I wonder if D would have interest in Vladar, need a backup/potential 1a/1b with Husso at a decent cap hit. Or we could send them Markstrom. Long term signed. Would give them some stability being there until the rebuild is over. It's probably not a great move for us, but I think it sends a message that we are intent on youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, travel_dude said: Or we could send them Markstrom. Long term signed. Would give them some stability being there until the rebuild is over. It's probably not a great move for us, but I think it sends a message that we are intent on youth. Not a chance. Husso has hidden a lot of bad already, he's the guy. Don't need a fat contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Getting exciting with Kasper and Wallinder reporting to GR. Potentially Lombardi if Flint exits quickly. Still waiting on Mazur signing his ELC. All solid prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2023 Mazur inked his ELC as an AHL tryout, as expected. Looking into next year, at some point, we're likely to see 4 <23yo Dmen that had great success in the SH(E)L in Seider, Edvinsson, Johansson and Wallinder. At worst the following year. This is why you move Hronek for a good haul before he needs to be re-signed. All 4 should be better options within their ELC years. Maatta will be the gatekeeper and he's been great, Chiarot is likely a bad signing but I can understand giving it a shot. The Vrana incident...as we're seeing, Vrana is one of the top pure scorers in the league. He is now quite vocal about his disdain about his treatment in Detroit. He was told 2 offseasons ago to get shoulder surgery. He opted to, "work through it". 10 minutes into the start of camp, it was evident that he needed shoulder surgery. He was out 5 months. Finished the season showing he's a great sniper. Came into this season a sniper, 3 games in, into Player Assistance. His choice or not, he has a substance issue. It was made popular in the '70's. Offseasons are his nemesis. If he doesn't have it under control this offseason, he'll be the best pure sniper not in the NHL. His bickering is only proving one thing. That he STILL doesn't hold himself accountable. The trade return for Vrana proves that everything was laid on the table for Army. "Here's a 7th, I'll give it a shot at turning him around", This is indeed Vrana's lifeline. Army will have zero tolerance, so this will be his 3rd strike with the league's top GMs and nobody else is going to touch him if he doesn't turn his personal life around. Maybe he can, but bickering about his ex-team's mgmt is also how he started in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2023 Dammit, spent all of our energy beating the Canes 3-2 with 3 seconds left when we have the Jets tonight. Hopefully Hellberg will be up to the task of matching Ned last night. Marco Kasper got called up before getting to GR.lol But he just landed Wednesday, so see when he'll actually get in the lineup, if he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted July 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 New look for 23/24. Fabbri-Larkin-Raymond (please stay healthy Fabbri) *Berggren-Compher-DeBrincat Rasmussen-Copp-Perron Fischer-Veleno-Sprong Kasper, Soderblom, Mazur *Guessing this will be the year Berggren's extremely high IQ starts to garner attention. Walman-Seider Gostisbehere-Chiarot Maatta-Holl Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder Husso Reimer Lyon However they line up 10 different ways... Should be pushing a wildcard spot this year. Compher is where I wanted Lindholm, but I like Compher. Leafs fans will continue to hate Holl seeing that he's good alongside Maatta and not constantly facing the other team's best for $3mil.lol Not his job here. Seider, Raymond, Berggren, Rasmussen, Johansson need contracts after this season. Goodbye cap. Watch for Perron, Sprong, Fischer, Gostisbehere, Fabbri at TDL for yet more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted July 11, 2023 Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 3 hours ago, conundrumed said: New look for 23/24. Fabbri-Larkin-Raymond (please stay healthy Fabbri) *Berggren-Compher-DeBrincat Rasmussen-Copp-Perron Fischer-Veleno-Sprong Kasper, Soderblom, Mazur *Guessing this will be the year Berggren's extremely high IQ starts to garner attention. Walman-Seider Gostisbehere-Chiarot Maatta-Holl Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder Husso Reimer Lyon However they line up 10 different ways... Should be pushing a wildcard spot this year. Compher is where I wanted Lindholm, but I like Compher. Leafs fans will continue to hate Holl seeing that he's good alongside Maatta and not constantly facing the other team's best for $3mil.lol Not his job here. Seider, Raymond, Berggren, Rasmussen, Johansson need contracts after this season. Goodbye cap. Watch for Perron, Sprong, Fischer, Gostisbehere, Fabbri at TDL for yet more picks. Imho they are short one great goalie to put them over the edge. Even if Husso rebounds, he will need some relief. Other than that, yeah it's go time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted July 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2023 Forgot Kostin. Too deep… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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