Thebrewcrew Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Don't mind Kuemper as a target. I really don't want to part with anymore high picks though. That being said, maybe it's worth giving up a 1st for 4.5x2 on Kuemper instead of paying a Markstrom something ridiculous like 6.5x6. Lebrun seems to be the most plugged in on the Flames. Friedman does good work, but it seems him and Treliving have a bit of an interesting relationship, just based on things he's said on his podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Can we please stop giving up draft picks for 30+ year old goalies. I like Treliving but giving up a 1st for Keumper is a fireable offense. The only way I would be fine with it, is if Hayton or Soderstrom was as part of the deal. I wouldn't give up a 1st for anyone else with Arizona. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Can we please stop giving up draft picks for 30+ year old goalies. I like Treliving but giving up a 1st for Keumper is a fireable offense. The only way I would be fine with it, is if Hayton or Soderstrom was as part of the deal. I wouldn't give up a 1st for anyone else with Arizona. I like the target, but not the price. Only way it makes sense to me is if we’re talking about a Flames team that ends up with 2 1st’s due to a trade involving a core piece. In that case I would be ok with moving the later 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: I like the target, but not the price. Only way it makes sense to me is if we’re talking about a Flames team that ends up with 2 1st’s due to a trade involving a core piece. In that case I would be ok with moving the later 1st. I don't even like the target. Kuemper has only played 30 or more games twice in his career. I just don't get giving up assets for a guy who is 30 years old and has never shown that he be a legit starter in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 37 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Can we please stop giving up draft picks for 30+ year old goalies. I like Treliving but giving up a 1st for Keumper is a fireable offense. The only way I would be fine with it, is if Hayton or Soderstrom was as part of the deal. I wouldn't give up a 1st for anyone else with Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, JTech780 said: I don't even like the target. Kuemper has only played 30 or more games twice in his career. I just don't get giving up assets for a guy who is 30 years old and has never shown that he be a legit starter in this league. I don't really want to see the Flames trading any picks either. I'm done with spending futures on goalies and even overpaying for D via trade, something like 10 picks have been spent on Elliott/Smith/Hamonic/Hamilton/Stone. I like Kuemper, but I think he will go for a lot, let EDM overpay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 56 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: I don't really want to see the Flames trading any picks either. I'm done with spending futures on goalies and even overpaying for D via trade, something like 10 picks have been spent on Elliott/Smith/Hamonic/Hamilton/Stone. I like Kuemper, but I think he will go for a lot, let EDM overpay The Yotes are going to do all they can to make up for the picks that were taken away by the league. If he goes it will be an overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 On one hand, it makes no sense to trade a 1st round pick for a 30-year-old career backup who had half a good season with 2-years remaining before UFA. On the other hand, the owners have probably put a gun to BT's job and the mandate is to win in 2 years or else he's not getting an extension. BT has got us this far. He may as well go all in now. There's no time left for him and his core to be honest. Gaudreau will walk for nothing in 2 years. Just go all in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 14 hours ago, JTech780 said: Can we please stop giving up draft picks for 30+ year old goalies. I like Treliving but giving up a 1st for Keumper is a fireable offense. The only way I would be fine with it, is if Hayton or Soderstrom was as part of the deal. I wouldn't give up a 1st for anyone else with Arizona. I would give up a 1st for Chychrun. Not interested in OEL (other target mentioned by Friedman). Not sure that ARI would even consider that, but that's the kind of player I would give up a 1st for. The goalie trade market is whacked. Murray for a 1st? Keumper for a 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Keumper, when healthy, is a very good goalie and one i've liked for a while. But a 30 year old goalie with 2 years on his deal and who has never been a true starter in this league is not going to generate a 1st round pick. I honestly think the Yotes will be lucky to get a 2nd for him because the goalie market is going to be flooded with options. - Keumper, Anderson and Matt Murray all rumored to be available in trade - Some news that Vegas is learning towards offering Lehner a contract extension and putting Fleury on the block. If not Lehner is a free agent - Some rumors Rangers might buyout Lundqvist. If they don't they have some younger goalies with the expansion draft looming - Benning seems pretty adament they want Markstrom back. Can they do it and if they don't do they keep Demko then or move him before expansion draft? - A few intriguing UFA options as well (Crawford, Talbot, Khudobin, Markstrom, Holtby) Good luck getting a 1st round pick for a 30 year old goalie with those options available. I agree it is a fireable offence if he does it but none of me believes he would pay that price. I don't doubt the Flames are calling but they are not going to pull the trigger on that unless it's a bigger package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 https://youtu.be/mM7D2WTX2QA I think this might be the Lindros Trade Tree. It really outlines how all of the pieces in the trade turned into other pieces that might have turned into others. He brings the branch right from the original piece to the moment it ends, like when the players stop working for the Avs, the branch is finished. it is neat to see how they used the parts, Traded They and turned those trades into players and picks and drafted more players and traded them or turned them into other picks... for us, A good tree was Kent Nilsson Turned into a 2nd rounder that turned into Niewendyk that turned into our Iginla. are their any others like that for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted September 16, 2020 Report Share Posted September 16, 2020 https://www.tsn.ca/lawsuit-alleges-nhl-junior-leagues-working-together-to-limit-players-opportunities-1.1525101 This is really interesting and relates to our discussions around the CHL allowing players to play AHL after the draft. I can see where it comes from, yet, the teams are investing in developing players to be (possibly) top players in the world. So it's a catch-22. First, they're investing in the plaintiff to improve, yet, in the adult years of his Juinior career he's not able to earn more. I wonder if it's a thing where players play JR from 16-18/19, and then go play AHL? The onus on NHL teams to develop would be even higher. I get it, they're making money off of these players. But will that be possible with Covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 22, 2020 Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 Suprised we have not seen more yet but suspect we'll get more of these as still not sure if places like AHL/ECHL will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 22, 2020 Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 Pretty obvious i think, but plan is for all of these assignmetns to come back if/when there is places they can play in NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted September 22, 2020 Report Share Posted September 22, 2020 Pospisil was loaned to Slovakia and Kinnvall to Sweden (full year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Depth for Stockton likely but a player who I could see working his way into a call up situation. Nice signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, cross16 said: Depth for Stockton likely but a player who I could see working his way into a call up situation. Nice signing. Yeah I can see Kirkland being a call up for a 4th line role, he seems like the type of player who can be brought up and knows his role and plays it well. Sort of like a Lance Bouma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 Flames trying to find a place for Zavgorodniy to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, cross16 said: Flames trying to find a place for Zavgorodniy to play. I would like him to play in SHL if possible, or even the KHL/MHL. Russia may make more sense for the language question, but I suspect he would not get much ice time in the KHL. If I thought he was ready for the NHL, then he might be perfect for 2nd or 3rd line RW. He's short but weighs 175 lbs. That's pretty decent size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 KHL it is. He'll play with former Flame Linden Vey and top prospect Yaroslav Asakrov. Coached by Valeri Brogin who has coached the National Junior team in Russia for what feels like at least a decade or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted September 28, 2020 Report Share Posted September 28, 2020 A list of overseas players There were rumors a few weeks ago Ruzicka was heading over there but looks like they never panned out, or at least has not happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 This is great news, he needs to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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travel_dude Posted September 30, 2020 Report Share Posted September 30, 2020 41 minutes ago, JTech780 said: I know the KHL is a big step for a junior player to take. But I wonder how far away from the NHL he really is. He was pretty impressive at the Subway Series last year. Sure, it's just junior players, but he shined. I won't get all worked up about one KHL game, but you have to wonder. Just thinking about fit for a minute, would he be right for Backlund or for Bennett. Tkachuk-Backlund-Zav Dube-Bennett-Mangiapane or would this be more appropriate Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane Dube-Bennett-Zav I actually think both could work. Bennett's line becomes less of a grinding line and more skill and speed. Something he never had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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