conundrumed Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 11 hours ago, cross16 said: Governments no longer worry about any future planning. It's all a PR show because they know that the vast majority of people don't care about debt or can see long term. Plus they won't be around long enough to get any flack for it. It's ridiculous at all levels (including CESC) that this was not done 10 years ago when it could have been done at half the cost. Heck I hated CalgaryNext and it's to the point that would have been a better deal for the City than this one. Mind you can't blame ether side for not forseeing a pandemic. Just brutal all around really. Quoted for truth. Unfortunately, CNRL hardly needs this much taxpayer funding, nor did Rexall, nor did Little Caesar's Pizza. But they do have high end advisors and lawyers to twist reality into the unrecognizable. Add in all govts are complete folly and the taxpayers are left holding the unlubricated dildo of consequences. Same old story. Taxpayers never get their money's worth. This is off-track, but be thankful you're not Detroit. Go bankrupt and the rest of your country doesn't gaf. So now trying to be progressive in rebuilding, billionaire's have bought up integral properties (yes Illitch's, you too) on the cheap in the crisis and are derelict landlords. They are squats for the homeless is the only positive. They just let them rot and wait for an inflated roi. So Gov. Whitmer is trying to tackle that. So far, someone attempted to kidnap her and her name was on a captured hitman's list who had already taken out a retired judge. That's only what I know of. Good old American underworld. If $$$ doesn't buy you, serious threats to your life may. So look at the bright side!! Their city-proper population is tanking hard. Peeps are moving to the 'burbs. Half of the city core is either parking lots or owned by derelict owner billionaires. Most of those properties are desperately needed to build housing infrastructure at all income levels. Why taxpayers argue about which political party is the best is way beyond me. F$%# Trudeau will turn into F^%$ whoever is next. They are all the same. Such is Capitalism by it's very nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 hours ago, conundrumed said: Quoted for truth. Unfortunately, CNRL hardly needs this much taxpayer funding, nor did Rexall, nor did Little Caesar's Pizza. But they do have high end advisors and lawyers to twist reality into the unrecognizable. Add in all govts are complete folly and the taxpayers are left holding the unlubricated dildo of consequences. Same old story. Taxpayers never get their money's worth. I have no issue with the province kicking in infrastructure money, nor should the city have been avoiding that. Funding an arena is different. There is some logic to it, spin offs, tax base, improve an area, but looking at EDM ICE District, it's a couple of city streets with high rises and a stabbing area. Tear down an old Casino next to a homeless shelter and build an arena with an attached casino, next to a shelter. The big plans to revitalize an area fall short to a few developments. You can't expect crime to move away just because you are charging more to see something or put up a luxury apartment building, but have not addressed the problems that existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 8/23/2014 at 9:55 AM, cross16 said: It is frustrating that arena plans have been delayed because I remember about two years ago king saying at the season ticket meeting that they would likely have an announcement in the coming months and as I said that was years ago. However, reading between the lines of he last ticket holder meeting I went to I think get delay is because the flames bought the stamps and had to re do their plans to include two facilities. He skipped over it but I'm 90% certain that I heard king say three things about the plans. 1- it will be a duel facilitiy 2- it will be more then just an area or facility project and 3 it will be part of a revitalization. He didn't expand on that and didn't clarify that by duel facility it means both hockey and football but that's what I took from it. I also am almost positive it will not be on the stampede grounds anymore and it will be closer to downtown as the stampede wants that land What delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medatswhoP Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 U.S. firm will be paid $18.9 M to oversee construction of new Calgary Arena. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/city-arena-development-manager-1.7048958 Back in 2019 it was quoted locally (Alberta) for half that cost, thanks Gondick! Link to the company overseeing this is: https://www.caaicon.com/portfolio based out of Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 Bids are bids, throw out the high and low and go from there. That's a pretty extensive portfolio of arenas, wow. Good sign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 2 hours ago, medatswhoP said: U.S. firm will be paid $18.9 M to oversee construction of new Calgary Arena. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/city-arena-development-manager-1.7048958 Back in 2019 it was quoted locally (Alberta) for half that cost, thanks Gondick! Link to the company overseeing this is: https://www.caaicon.com/portfolio based out of Colorado. Well, not a fan of Gondek or current council, always important to remember who walked away from the last deal, and he walked away for hardly significant cost increases considering he is paying 8 million for a guy to not coach and paid 6 million for Troy Brouwer to not play for 4 seasons. I blame current council for the awful deal now, but I blame CSEC for the fact that an arena wasn't built before the 2021 municipal election. Nothing we can do now but hope we wind up with something we can be proud of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medatswhoP Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 4 hours ago, sak22 said: Well, not a fan of Gondek or current council, always important to remember who walked away from the last deal, and he walked away for hardly significant cost increases considering he is paying 8 million for a guy to not coach and paid 6 million for Troy Brouwer to not play for 4 seasons. I blame current council for the awful deal now, but I blame CSEC for the fact that an arena wasn't built before the 2021 municipal election. Nothing we can do now but hope we wind up with something we can be proud of. You and me and probably most of all Calgarians, but the portfolio of who will be overseeing this project does look very positive thats for sure. Same company that managed the Roger's Place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 10 hours ago, medatswhoP said: Same company that managed the Roger's Place. If they do it like that they deserve to be shot. Nosebleeds used to just be a saying. They serve no purpose there. If that's your option, stay home and watch on TV, because that giant screen has you doing exactly that. Then you can charge your friends $12/beer so it's a bargain.lol Hopefully it's a design that compliments the setting as opposed to dominating it. In tune with developing/promoting greenspace and multi-use, it needs to fit that. Rogers Place promotes being inside because of location. I'm sure they understand all of that. It's not attached to an indoor mall... Plus, they aren't jammed up in that area like Ed was or the pizza palace in Detroit as far as construction goes. Guessing Spiller Rd becomes construction road. Interesting to see how they lock in construction for stampede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 7 hours ago, conundrumed said: If they do it like that they deserve to be shot. Nosebleeds used to just be a saying. They serve no purpose there. If that's your option, stay home and watch on TV, because that giant screen has you doing exactly that. Then you can charge your friends $12/beer so it's a bargain.lol Hopefully it's a design that compliments the setting as opposed to dominating it. In tune with developing/promoting greenspace and multi-use, it needs to fit that. Rogers Place promotes being inside because of location. I'm sure they understand all of that. It's not attached to an indoor mall... Plus, they aren't jammed up in that area like Ed was or the pizza palace in Detroit as far as construction goes. Guessing Spiller Rd becomes construction road. Interesting to see how they lock in construction for stampede. I'm guessing a lower bowl with maybe 30 rows, one ring of box seats, mid-level seating with 20 rows, then a second ring of box seats, then the nosebleeds above that. Flames seem to complain there's not enough box seats in the Saddledome to serve Calgary's corporate customers. I'm hoping they get more in the new arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 They have released the agreements to the media between the province city and csec the city there expecting shovels sometime this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, The_Tribal Chief said: They have released the agreements to the media between the province city and csec the city there expecting shovels sometime this year And it will be 2026 before it's ready, at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medatswhoP Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 4 minutes ago, travel_dude said: And it will be 2026 before it's ready, at the earliest. More info to add here on agreements. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-city-of-calgary-s-event-centre-agreements/ar-BB1hDXjQ?cvid=61de69abd1034358b8ca1001f7b32c0e&ei=5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, medatswhoP said: More info to add here. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-city-of-calgary-s-event-centre-agreements/ar-BB1hDXjQ?cvid=61de69abd1034358b8ca1001f7b32c0e&ei=5 Yup, they better get at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medatswhoP Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 Just now, travel_dude said: Yup, they better get at it. What's interesting is this comment, are they already expecting to go overbudget? The budgeted cost for the event centre building is $873.6 million, with the community rink's total budget pegged at $52.6 million. Any spending above those amounts will be considered cost overruns which will require approval from an internal steering committee. If the event centre building goes over budget, the documents state the additional costs must be split 50-50 by the City of Calgary and CSEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, medatswhoP said: What's interesting is this comment, are they already expecting to go overbudget? The budgeted cost for the event centre building is $873.6 million, with the community rink's total budget pegged at $52.6 million. Any spending above those amounts will be considered cost overruns which will require approval from an internal steering committee. If the event centre building goes over budget, the documents state the additional costs must be split 50-50 by the City of Calgary and CSEC. Doesn't every project go over budget? They just should have taken the old deal? I dunno the difference, but the costs in negotiation and lawyers time and so on isn't necessarily considered in the cost of delaying also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 A few things jumped out at me as I read it. The event centre is defined as between 18,000 and 19,000 seats, and notes the arenas in Detroit, Las Vegas, Edmonton, Columbus and Minnesota as comparable facilities. The budget is set at $873.6 million. The City and CSEC split the first $54 million of costs, then the remaining $819.6 million are the City’s responsibility. The “scheduled substantial completion date” in this agreement is targeted as Aug. 31, 2026. (Amending the project schedule to change that date is labelled as a “Major Decision.”)...... Case in point: it defines “turnover date” as when they expect to have the building done, and other agreements feed off that date, but since the construction schedule isn’t nailed down quite yet… we don’t have a date. The agreement does all-but-confirm that the new arena design is essentially updating the old design, making adjustments to the larger lot, larger parking structure, and addition of the community rink, indoor gathering plaza, and LEED certification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Is that a big enough stadium? Why not go for the full 20,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, robrob74 said: Is that a big enough stadium? Why not go for the full 20,000 It's on par with most new ones and not really a drastic cut from the Dome and on most nights lately they have troubles reaching capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 3 hours ago, robrob74 said: Is that a big enough stadium? Why not go for the full 20,000 That's the more modern design. Less fans, more intimate and more luxuries which gives them the ability to charge more to make up for the reduced seating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, cross16 said: That's the more modern design. Less fans, more intimate and more luxuries which gives them the ability to charge more to make up for the reduced seating. Climate Pledge was only built with 17.1K and T Mobile in Vegas only has 17.3K, I'm surprised the new one is planned for over 18K. Canada Life centre here only has 15.3K and for Saturdays game the cheapest single seat (nosebleed behind Penguins net) is $137 plus all the fees/taxes, about $60 - $70 for other teams. I dont know if thats a team, league, or Ticketbast**d thing. And you get to shoehorn your carcass into a seat the size of a early years school desk. And the league wonders why overall attendance is down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted February 8 Report Share Posted February 8 On 2/5/2024 at 11:52 AM, robrob74 said: Is that a big enough stadium? Why not go for the full 20,000 I'm guessing two full rings of box seats will eat up lots of seating. Maybe a restaurant up at the top too. Who knows at this point. Have they released any new graphics of the interior design recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 Construction crews break ground in preparation for Calgary's new arena (msn.com) Don't take this as the groundbreaking for the arena. It is only the moving/ expansion of services and road making etc, to prepare for the Arena Construction. Still it is news about the start of this project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 On 12/5/2023 at 1:10 PM, conundrumed said: Bids are bids, throw out the high and low and go from there. That's a pretty extensive portfolio of arenas, wow. Good sign. I was the low bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, jjgallow said: I was the low bid Did your arena look like a fish tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, travel_dude said: Did your arena look like a fish tank? i think that was the high bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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