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I think one of our best acquisitions in recent history is Hakan Loob as Director of European Scouting.
Big trust in his scouting team analyzing the specifics we're looking for. Goalie prospects is definitely one.
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12 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:
My guess will be whoever starts Sunday in San Jose is the guy
Tomorrow vs Dallas should be Sunday vs SJ.
Rittich, I'd guess, if he's over illness.
He's been the better goalie, on several fronts.
Just a question of does BP & company value puck-handller more.
Great. But your puckhandler wants to keep every puck alive and really appears to be struggling with angles and anticipation.
The other guy makes equally big saves and absorbs pucks.
Please go with Rittich.
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13 minutes ago, The_People1 said:
Oh Burke has gone totally nuts. Must be the water in Toronto.
I generally like his stories, but his takes are a bit dicey.
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18 minutes ago, The_People1 said:
According to Brian Burke on Tim and Sid, Mike Smith is our starter going into the playoffs and it's his job to lose.
Thoughts?
It'll be Rittich's to lose come game 2.
It's not that Smith hasn't been making some big saves, but last night's 2 against he just isn't playing the position correctly.
The 2nd goal, sure, nice shot. But every NHLer will nail that one. He's too deep, too far to his right for the angle leaving a third of the net on his glove side open.
Even Hrudey commented, "not sure what Smith was thinking there". Me neither.
Now as I said, he had some great saves that could have been goals.
But there are ones you have to have this time of year, and I believe both LA goals are one's you have to be in position to stop. And he had lots of time to be in position.
He just isn't reading angles well.
He really hasn't all year, and I'm flummoxed that no one seems to be bothering to correct it.
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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:
The Oilers get a pretty easy schedule for this week.
Play teams the night after we play them.
3 teams in a row like that.
That'll only make it more amusing.
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1 minute ago, MAC331 said:
If some people can't see the talent Hanifin possesses they have no clue about talent to begin with.
Same can be said in the opposite. He's looked as thick as a brick too often.
He sure doesn't look anything like where he was drafted. So he was overrated then....
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1 hour ago, The_People1 said:
Ya Fanta is only 27 so still has some juice left.
I would move Hanifin and Brodie for a RHS C so can play 1A/1B with Monahan. Hopefully, someone will bite on Hanifin.
Are you sure that you're sure on Hanifin? Are you sure he doesn't need adjustment time, ala Hamonic last year?
He's young.
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Playoff experience gets way too much airplay. I'd argue that it doesn't matter. Playing a lot more games, yeah, I get it..
Motivation is a non-issue.
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13 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
There's a very good chance we re-sign Fanta.
Under-appreciated by LA perhaps.
Plays big, steady, excellent mentor for rookies.
Would like to see if he's also effectove on RD, since it's about our only "weakness" on D.
BT loves to make moves before the draft, so there's a good chance we see a move then, using someone like Brodie.
Gio is the ultimate mentor for our D.
He shows them what it takes to be a great player.
Fitness. Attention to detail. Showing up for practice ready.
It's hard to say mentor. His NHL experience is limited. Although he's been at the pro level for 5 years between the SEL and the K.
I hope this pick up works for both sides.
Hopefully we're a better fit for him than LA was. It happens.
Again, this add at trade deadline looks like he was definitely a target.
Gives me a lot of faith in the homework from the org.
Say what you want about Burke, but he had an exit strategy and left us with a team builder.
No apologies needed, he got us the GM we needed.
Nice to watch BT growing into full autonomy and putting his stamp on this team.
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But then we'd have to hear, "Datsyukian" a lot more often. lol
But to be fair, in the playoffs, this one can be hard to describe...
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6 minutes ago, robrob74 said:
Mid we remain a contender, high profile players may want to sign in Calgary though. Very rare but like Panarin in Chicago? Probably not though. It is the hope that players want a chance at a Cup.
Maybe Datsyuk wants a chance to play with Johnny.lol
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On 3/13/2019 at 2:38 PM, cross16 said:
Think the Flames will struggle to get a high profile college free agent. They are deep and young in key spots so they can't offer to burn a year and they really can't offer much of an opportunity in the next year or two. T
They were supposed to be on Teves but lost him to Vancouver. i suspect that will be the case for most and maybe they snag a guy later int he process. However, they do have a decent amount of draft picks to sign too that should make the jump next year.
You are correct. Emergency call-up is the only exception.
Excellent point cross. We no longer look like a team that has roster spots to offer, which is a beautiful thing.
These "high profile" college free agents are typically so overrated that they seldom become solid answers. But they are in the enviable position of having teams play off of each other. Spencer Foo anyone?
Philp is a good zero risk move sans hype.
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5 hours ago, Ward54 said:
I honestly don't know but we didn't sign him for his offence. Both Brodie and Hanifin aren't noted for their defense.
Fantenberg topped the pk minutes against the devils. I just find it interesting
I agree. Fantenberg has been a really good add as a stay at home D man. Excellent research by the Flames in bringing him in. He's very steady in our zone.
Considering we typically see adjustment periods with players on new teams, he seems to have just slid right in.
Our D depth is unreal. I wonder if we use someone at the draft table in a trade?
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Did Fanta play much PK in LA?
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22 hours ago, cross16 said:
Might want to re-think the whole Nicholson should run hockey ops plan the Oilers are working off of...
That is, I'd like to say "incredibly" poor taste, buy I don't think that cuts it.
So it's wasn't McLennan's fault, it wasn't Chiarelli's fault, it's Toby Reider's fault.
This is a new low(e) even for the Oilers.
You completely humiliate the player? Wow.
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4 minutes ago, robrob74 said:
The thing is, Rinne was told by his draft year coach that he was a sleeper, but was stuck behind another goalie who also ended up a starter in the NHL.
Some teams have better luck than others. Tampa drafted Vasilevsky after having Bishop which might have been on his third team.
i think it’s a silly argument because it could be that some teams draft goalies better. Rinne and Saros? Plus if a team already has a starter they’d walk away from someone who could possibly be one.
Goalies are hard to develop. They need games.
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Why? We had pick 14 and traded down for Jankowski and wasisname. All of the "experts" would have said, ooh they went off the board bumping Vasilevsky up 9 spots.
We went off the board for Jankowski.
But we went and got Ramo.
I get the hindsight bullSatoshi Nakamoto, but let's call this what it was.
A mistake.
Our GM was like a used car salesman.
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13 minutes ago, phoenix66 said:
Sorry didnt mean it to sound like that , just to me 1/ 3 is Rare . When you consider nearly every teams Top Dmen, and Forwards were drafted there .
Problem is , Dmen can play up 7 spots in the lineup .. forwards 4 or more .. but there is only 1 net.. so the majority of teams don't have that patience. BUT it starts with scouting .
Somebody thought Mason McDonald was a better prospect than Thatcher Demko.. and we weren't alone. just as one example .. scary thing is , they may still be right
There has been more 1st Round Goalie pick Duds than studs. They are different , so you need to scout them differently.. then develop them differently
Yeah I know. I often wonder how scouts list attiributes for goalies. For me, it would be:
1. Do you know where you are in relation to the net? I'd use Luongo as an example of a guy that gets lost when he leaves the crease.
2. Lateral movement. Quite simply, leg strength, push left, right, forward.
3. Vision. Can you track a puck? Whether you see it or not, can you get up on it?
4. Athleticism. Which is reactionary.
For the 1st 3, imo goalies have to have that, early. When you reach pro age, these should not be things to work on, that's automatic in the bag of tricks stuff.
Working on increasing speed and reaction time, puck-handling, I get that.
Rittich is my example of that. He came from excellent development imho.
With Smith, 1 through 3 are suspicious imho.
And those are the 3 things a goalie should be able to control, he seems to rely on 4. That's not good enough. And my least favourite part, is that he's forever looking to keep the puck in play, juicy rebounds and scrambles.
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10 minutes ago, phoenix66 said:
we're splitting hairs here now , you don't need to be a star to be a starter (EG Koskinen in Edm is the starter .. maybe not a star , but hes the #1 right now ).. basically the gist is that the majority of teams goalies did not start there
Compare that to top 4 d-men and Centers and top wingers .. most of those are homegrown because the goal is to get them in to the lineup in 1-3 years .. goalies , more like 7-8
The majority of teams (2/3 is a majority.. actually a pretty high one ..67%) don't take the time to develop goalies
Let me say this as nicely as possible. 1 in 3 of the teams developed their own starter.
Cubicon was just pointing out it's not "rare".
He's right. Why is this a pissing match?
Excellent conversation between you 2, so thanx both.
Don't let it disintegrate into semantics.
I honestly don't care, you're having an excellent conversation and you're both obviously educated hockey guys.
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What's amusing is trying to find a common thread in the goalies you've listed as the 3rd of teams that developed their own
Some you just expect will be elite NHLers, Price, Vasilevsky, Gibson as top 50 picks.
Quick a top 75 pick.
Holtby a top 100.
Then it disintegrates.
Helly 5th rd, Rinne I think was the 2nd or 3rd last pick in his draft class. 258th oa, wow, nice pick.
Murray, undrafted.
It never ceases to amaze me, in this day and age, the old adage is still thrown around like candy:
Goalies are Voodoo.
I might be one of the few that doesn't agree.
It's no different than players, you base it and grade it on a package of skills.
Streaming Stockton games watching Gillies and Rittich, it was clear to me Rittich is far more developed.
Just like our scout Derek MacKinnon saw in Europe. He went to watch Pribyl and got addicted to Rittich.
Price, Vasilevsky, in their draft years. It was undeniable these are exceptional goalies.
And they are exceptional goalies.
I recall a thread on this board about "which rookie this year will have the best career".
I went with Rinne, who wasn't even a poll choice.
So again, why is this voodoo?
Little-known players surprise people all of the time, It's a "good story".
Tim Thomas does it, it's "voodoo".
What is voodoo, is scouting imho.
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6 hours ago, cross16 said:
I know he was on the radar for some but I think we can cross Howard off the list of potential Flame targets
Yeah at TDL I was interested, but the closer it got the more it became apparent that he didn't want to be moved.
This is a good deal for Detroit. And Howard will just play out his career in the big D.
The fans adore him.
Such a classy org with a long list of players that stay with one org for their entire careers.
The return of Datsyuk rumours persist.
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On 3/17/2019 at 9:04 PM, conundrumed said:
Well yesterday was amazing. Although we lost a hard, contested battle to the Jets, at the end of the game I physically shared a cheers to ff52 aka Larry with 2 other posters.
Amazing how common interest strangers become new found friends!
Now I can breath a bit easier that FlyerFan is a legacy, not only as a poster, but as a person.
Sorrow from us all from the one (you know who you are!) that couldn't make the trip for a legitimate reason and our thoughts are with you too.
Special thanks to the gracious host and hostess.
I made it back in record time, lol.
That was a special day for me.
Thanks guys and gal, I hope it meant as much to you as it did to me.
*insert joke* And we didn't get all out of it and break stuff, lol.
Hi to Opie!!
I just love taking the opportunity to quote myself. (sic)
But Carty (His Dudeness) gave it away in the GDT with his damn goal lights that everyone has stolen IRregardless, lol.
So 420 was all in. I've never met him, nor has Carty, whom I've met once last year and we stay in touch.
420, correct me if I'm wrong, but you literally told me, "Thanks for the invite, I didn't even know that I meant anything to anyone on the board".
Now you know buddy. I'm glad we let you know.
I was looking at the board at Carty's place on my phone and was reading Ward's post when I had to close.
I told Carty afterwards I can't read that thread around people because I well up.
He said, "good to know I'm not the only one".
Meeting people is fantastic. 420, you are completely right.
The how you didn't realize you were recognizable here is disturbing. lol That hasn't been the case for years.
Cheers FF52. We shall create a movement of friends that don't have to hide behind keyboards, for any reason.
Disarmed by smiles and good nature.
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Here's a laugh, 420 knows this because I told him this story while we were driving to Carty's most hospitable home.
On NHL Radio, proceeding NJ hanging 6 on the hapless Oilers after us hanging 9 on NJ on the front end of the B2B.
It was Koulias and...can't remember...
I paraphrase, but it was a 10 minute laugh-fest:
"So how about 97's comments after the Devil's beat the Oilers? "We overlooked them".
You overlooked them? You're the Edmonton Oilers, teams overlook you. I can see the Lightning having an off night against a bad team. They can say they overlooked them. You're the Edmonton Oilers, there isn't a team in the league that YOU can overlook.
What do you mean you overlooked the Devils? You are the Devils".
If anyone else caught that segment, feel free to chime in.
I laughed my Hash Rate off.
Especially the tone they carried, equal measure disdain and chuckling at McDavid's comment.
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It's reading like Rittich vs SJS to me.
And to start the playoffs if everything stays the same.
Regardless of the talking heads, looks pretty clear to me that Rittich's taking the hard games.