The Unconditional Positivity Thread

[bombcomputers]

@travel_dude

Agree. 

Give a flush of fresh blood. The plays are getting old. Nobody remembers how to score. Coleman had the only move on a goalie I can remember in a long time. That passing to the boards instead of shooting from the slot is getting old too. We want to see something different. 

[Thebrewcrew]

Time to inject some positivity.

 

WPG plays MIN tomorrow. FLA and TB on the weekend. There's likely a Rittich start in the Sunshine State.

 

Calgary has to take care of business, but there's a reality where they can put themselves right back in the race by Monday morning.

[redfire11]

Nearly threw in the towel on this group and coaches but have to admit the wins against Dal and Min in dramatic fashion has given me optimism. 

[bombcomputers]

4 minutes ago, redfire11 said:

Nearly threw in the towel on this group and coaches but have to admit the wins against Dal and Min in dramatic fashion has given me optimism. 

1 point from Minny is better than nothing. Markstrom played excellent. I hope he gets that overtime monkey off of his back sooner than later. 

I nearly threw the towel in too but that's how I feel for awhile after losing. I Hate Losing, always have. 

[travel_dude]

17 minutes ago, redfire11 said:

Nearly threw in the towel on this group and coaches but have to admit the wins against Dal and Min in dramatic fashion has given me optimism. 

 

I hold no crazy thoughts that we can run the table.

Nor do I think it's the right message to a team this year.

Accept the fate of missing the playoffs.

It happened in February.

You all made it happen (players, coach, GM).

It's like Walsh said.

[bombcomputers]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

I hold no crazy thoughts that we can run the table.

Nor do I think it's the right message to a team this year.

Accept the fate of missing the playoffs.

It happened in February.

You all made it happen (players, coach, GM).

It's like Walsh said.

travel_dude, that doesn't sound like you. I never quit playing hard even if we were down by a more than insurmountable amount of goals. I kept pressing for the next goal. That's how I played, 'right through the buzzer'. Holding naive thoughts is not what it's about. Anything can happen, and it does👊  🙂

[travel_dude]

22 minutes ago, bombcomputers said:

travel_dude, that doesn't sound like you. I never quit playing hard even if we were down by a more than insurmountable amount of goals. I kept pressing for the next goal. That's how I played, 'right through the buzzer'. Holding naive thoughts is not what it's about. Anything can happen, and it does👊  🙂

 

Pro athletes don't throw in the towel.

But what I saw last month was a team that seemed to have realized how bad off they were.

Perhaps they were tuning out the coach.

There was little help offered by the GM, except the Ritchie swap.

 

Watched too many games where the emotion level was nil.

More games though were do something and it backfires, then another mistake.

Goal on first shot or first mistake.

Unluckiest team in the league.

It's like the line in the movie The Replacements...

It's like quicksand.

You do something and it goes wrong, you try to do something else and it gets worse.

Like quicksand.

Own goal I can deal with, same with mistakes.

Slack plays or half attempts at shots are not.

Giving up on plays and watching the other team score.

 

We scored first against Dallas and never were behind against Minny.

4 points and 1 RW and ROW.

Only the points help us get in.

We are last in the hopefuls because of RW.

If we get 14 of 18 wins in regulation, then we make the playoffs.

The Math doesn't add up for that to happen.

It's possible, but so is every team going on a run.

13 wins (or a possible 26 points) may not be enough.

That's little room for error.

[robrob74]

My bet is the Flames end up with 23 or 24 points and up with 94 or 95 points at the end of the season. Is that enough to make it? That's if they beat everyone they're supposed to and lose to the ones with playoff records, and gain a loser point or two. 

[bombcomputers]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

Pro athletes don't throw in the towel.

But what I saw last month was a team that seemed to have realized how bad off they were.

Perhaps they were tuning out the coach.

There was little help offered by the GM, except the Ritchie swap.

 

Watched too many games where the emotion level was nil.

More games though were do something and it backfires, then another mistake.

Goal on first shot or first mistake.

Unluckiest team in the league.

It's like the line in the movie The Replacements...

It's like quicksand.

You do something and it goes wrong, you try to do something else and it gets worse.

Like quicksand.

Own goal I can deal with, same with mistakes.

Slack plays or half attempts at shots are not.

Giving up on plays and watching the other team score.

 

We scored first against Dallas and never were behind against Minny.

4 points and 1 RW and ROW.

Only the points help us get in.

We are last in the hopefuls because of RW.

If we get 14 of 18 wins in regulation, then we make the playoffs.

The Math doesn't add up for that to happen.

It's possible, but so is every team going on a run.

13 wins (or a possible 26 points) may not be enough.

That's little room for error.

AAAAAAARGH! 

Who can argue. We all saw the same stuff. It was frustration in motion... 'never quit' is a habit that you use in all situations. If you use it here and not there, it is no longer a good habit but rather merely something you use when you feel like it. 

All the good pro athletes have that ingrained in them, no reminders required, like a dog and a bus. 

It's easy to feel the weight of a long shot but better to have tenacious drive even into a looming defeat. 

I hope the team has that kind of discipline because there is no defeat even in loss. 

[travel_dude]

28 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

My bet is the Flames end up with 23 or 24 points and up with 94 or 95 points at the end of the season. Is that enough to make it? That's if they beat everyone they're supposed to and lose to the ones with playoff records, and gain a loser point or two. 

 

The points will depend on what WPG, MIN, NAS, COL and EDM/SEA do.

Most of our games are against teams below us.

Those don't impact the points required to make it. 

We are 10th in points % behind NAS.

 

[bombcomputers]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

The points will depend on what WPG, MIN, NAS, COL and EDM/SEA do.

Most of our games are against teams below us.

Those don't impact the points required to make it. 

We are 10th in points % behind NAS.

 

That's neat how you guys figure out the odds. It depends too on how many games those teams have against each other, as for poinrs distribution. I might be too lazy to work it out. Thanks for that travel, and robrob. 

I like Sutter's numbers, "We gotta win em all, whether it's 18,19,20 or whatever." 

 

Another point I like; Markstrom plays the best game of the year. That one glove save should be save of the week. 

That was the best game of the season. No playoffs? That game is as much satisfaction as any playoff game minus a Cup winner. 

[travel_dude]

26 minutes ago, bombcomputers said:

That's neat how you guys figure out the odds. I might be too lazy to work it out. Thanks for that travel, and robrob. 

I like Sutter's numbers, "We gotta win em all, whether it's 18,19,20 or whatever." 

 

The only sure thing is winning all of the games gets you a high degree of getting in.

17 games remaining (had it as 18, but was wrong) That gets us 105 points. 

I was just using points percentage as a way of calculating based on season to date.

It doesn't take into account current trend or strength of schedule.

 

But I will say these few comments about the remaining game.

We tend to beat ANA and ARI.

We have beaten SJS twice.

We have lost to CHI twice.

We have beaten WPG and lost to them.

VAN is wins and losses.

We have never beaten Vegas in Vegas.

 

I have no way to even predict how we will do.

I just want one or the other, in or out and a better draft pick.

Losing the playoffs on game 82 may be exciting, but pointless.

Even last year, we didn't clinch until really late.

[robrob74]

25 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

The only sure thing is winning all of the games gets you a high degree of getting in.

17 games remaining (had it as 18, but was wrong) That gets us 105 points. 

I was just using points percentage as a way of calculating based on season to date.

It doesn't take into account current trend or strength of schedule.

 

But I will say these few comments about the remaining game.

We tend to beat ANA and ARI.

We have beaten SJS twice.

We have lost to CHI twice.

We have beaten WPG and lost to them.

VAN is wins and losses.

We have never beaten Vegas in Vegas.

 

I have no way to even predict how we will do.

I just want one or the other, in or out and a better draft pick.

Losing the playoffs on game 82 may be exciting, but pointless.

Even last year, we didn't clinch until really late.

 

 

I just counted the wins we are SUPPOSED to win, and called all of the playoff teams a loss, and then assumed we could lose one or two in OT and that was how I thought 95 points. And in the end, if we just won and didn't lose in OT in the rest as I predicted against teams around us or out of it, then it is about 93 points.

[bombcomputers]

23 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

The only sure thing is winning all of the games gets you a high degree of getting in.

17 games remaining (had it as 18, but was wrong) That gets us 105 points. 

I was just using points percentage as a way of calculating based on season to date.

It doesn't take into account current trend or strength of schedule.

 

But I will say these few comments about the remaining game.

We tend to beat ANA and ARI.

We have beaten SJS twice.

We have lost to CHI twice.

We have beaten WPG and lost to them.

VAN is wins and losses.

We have never beaten Vegas in Vegas.

 

I have no way to even predict how we will do.

I just want one or the other, in or out and a better draft pick.

Losing the playoffs on game 82 may be exciting, but pointless.

Even last year, we didn't clinch until really late.

Clinching really late is not optimum but what can you do? It's also entertaining to get in the playoffs nice and early but 8 teams are out in the first round; sometimes the powerhouses. The cup is the only entertainment that matters in the end. 

[flames-fan-in-jets-land]

I held the same amount of frustration and expectation as most others here for a good part of the year. I also saw something the last couple of games that everyone else saw......an entirely different product but with the same ingredients. What happened, what was said, who really knows?  But as I said earlier in the season, I'd rather see the team get in riding a hot streak of well played games than coast into the post season position already secured.

 

I know theres no correlation between the two but we've seen one scenario why not hope for the other?  That is if its not too late.

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said:

I held the same amount of frustration and expectation as most others here for a good part of the year. I also saw something the last couple of games that everyone else saw......an entirely different product but with the same ingredients. What happened, what was said, who really knows?  But as I said earlier in the season, I'd rather see the team get in riding a hot streak of well played games than coast into the post season position already secured.

 

I know theres no correlation between the two but we've seen one scenario why not hope for the other?  That is if its not too late.

 

The only way for us to make the playoffs is to go on a hot streak.

Since Marky played well in 2 out of his 40 starts, he should get the bulk.

That logic will mean we are done in round one is we make it.

 

Have to have two elite goalies to win now and into the playoffs.

14 wins is asking a lot for one goalie.  And he would be toast.

[bombcomputers]

33 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

The only way for us to make the playoffs is to go on a hot streak.

Since Marky played well in 2 out of his 40 starts, he should get the bulk.

That logic will mean we are done in round one is we make it.

 

Have to have two elite goalies to win now and into the playoffs.

14 wins is asking a lot for one goalie.  And he would be toast.

Exactly. A hot streak. Vlad can back up. 

I see all the big numbers of games that need to be won but in small bites; Flames win 5, chased team loses 5. That has happened before. Everybody can't win, cuz sometimes, sometimes, you gotta lose. 

Bad News Bears, Mighty Ducks...

Kipper the Keen played most of the season himself. 

[travel_dude]

43 minutes ago, bombcomputers said:

Exactly. A hot streak. Vlad can back up. 

I see all the big numbers of games that need to be won but in small bites; Flames win 5, chased team loses 5. That has happened before. Everybody can't win, cuz sometimes, sometimes, you gotta lose. 

Bad News Bears, Mighty Ducks...

Kipper the Keen played most of the season himself. 

 

And we never won the cup with him, or won a round after 2004 under him.

You play 70 games and you are toast.

 

The problem is Sutter has no trust in Vladar right now.

Maybe rightly so, but if Marky tanks again, there is no good place for Vladar to come in.

Had to give Marky B2B games on the road.  

That should never happen but it did.

Maybe Markstrom is the answer, but I doubt he can win another 14 games.

[bombcomputers]

23 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

And we never won the cup with him, or won a round after 2004 under him.

You play 70 games and you are toast.

 

The problem is Sutter has no trust in Vladar right now.

Maybe rightly so, but if Marky tanks again, there is no good place for Vladar to come in.

Had to give Marky B2B games on the road.  

That should never happen but it did.

Maybe Markstrom is the answer, but I doubt he can win another 14 games.

You sound jaded. Where there is a chance... 

Success in life usually comes after alot of failures. I always told my brother, "Don't bitxh just before the finish line." He doesn't talk to me anymore. 

[robrob74]

1 hour ago, bombcomputers said:

Exactly. A hot streak. Vlad can back up. 

I see all the big numbers of games that need to be won but in small bites; Flames win 5, chased team loses 5. That has happened before. Everybody can't win, cuz sometimes, sometimes, you gotta lose. 

Bad News Bears, Mighty Ducks...

Kipper the Keen played most of the season himself. 

One of kipper's best season was a year he was traded to the Flames and he only played a portion of the season. He played 39 games that season, 38 with the Flames. The rest of the way he had over 70 games per year and had three good seasons out of those. He was overworked. Under Half the time.

 

they'll need Marky for sure, and they'll need Vladar to be his early season form to steal the ones he gives Marky a rest. 
 

Kipper is my favourite goalie of all time. His problem was every coach he had never had faith in the backup. I think they rest him more and he'd have been vezina every year amd with probably the same amount of wins. 

[bombcomputers]

15 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

One of kipper's best season was a year he was traded to the Flames and he only played a portion of the season. He played 39 games that season, 38 with the Flames. The rest of the way he had over 70 games per year and had three good seasons out of those. He was overworked. Under Half the time.

 

they'll need Marky for sure, and they'll need Vladar to be his early season form to steal the ones he gives Marky a rest. 
 

Kipper is my favourite goalie of all time. His problem was every coach he had never had faith in the backup. I think they rest him more and he'd have been vezina every year amd with probably the same amount of wins. 

Absolutely 🦈 Kipper was a shark. Sutter knew that. 

One goal from a Cup (and it was in). Has anybody ever run a grid on a computer program to prove the angle that that puck was in? 

I will never concede that goal until I see a computation on a grid. 

[Thebrewcrew]

Jets lose against a tired Wild team.

 

Calgary has a chance to trim the gap to 2 on Friday. Games played between Calgary and Winnipeg will be even by Sunday night. 

 

Nashville has the best math. But a grueling schedule. They play every-other-day from tomorrow until April 10.

[travel_dude]

59 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Jets lose against a tired Wild team.

 

Calgary has a chance to trim the gap to 2 on Friday. Games played between Calgary and Winnipeg will be even by Sunday night. 

 

Nashville has the best math. But a grueling schedule. They play every-other-day from tomorrow until April 10.

 

NAS has 4 games in hand and are just 2 points back.

Where I am a positive fan, the math doesn't add up.

2 + 2 no longer equals 4.

 

The Jets don't make sense right now.

2 wins in their last 10.

They have a good coach that will figure it out.

 

IT's crazy to think that the West is not even close to set.

One or more of EDM, CGY, SEA, COL, WPG may miss the playoffs.

COL is most likely to make it.

After that, it's one cold goalie away from missing it.

[travel_dude]

97 points to be safe.

For context, winning 13 of 17 in regulation or OT/SO is a .76 win ratio.

In another view, it's winning 3 of every 4.

I have no desire to even think about the magic number, since there are too many teams too close.

 

Division games are critical for points.  Vegas and LA games matter because we need the points.

Unlikely to catch either team, so any type of win is what matters.

WPG and NAS game hurt more our chances.

 

What I worry about is what always happens after a big win.

We feel good about the last game.  We think we can win the next one.

We play down to the level or expect the same gameplan as a contender.

[travel_dude]

Well, you could say that Kaprisov being out for 3-4 weeks could be a positive for the Flames.  Sure, but they only need about a win % of about 500 to get 99 points.  We should really just focus on WPG and EDM.  They have bad records over the last 10.  WPG (5-3-2) and EDM (2-6-2).  If anything, those are the teams we are more likely to overtake.  Preds had a better record in the last 10 and are better positioned to pass all three.  They are only 9 back of EDM with 4 games in hand.

 

I didn't realize this but in the last 18 games, Lucic has been on the ice for 9 goals against an 2 for.  Yet, if you look at icetime, he's played like a middle 6 player most of those games.