2021 Calgary Flames NHL Draft

[FueltheFlames1075]

2 hours ago, jjgallow said:

 

Yup.

 

You know, though.....  I'm going to say what many are thinking, it's kind of my role.

 

It was a stupid thing for him to do and it was not fair to that girl and behaviour like this really is unacceptable.    I don't think any of this can be disputed.

 

But.  A little perspective.

 

We've come a long ways since Calgary won a cup with an accused child molester.

 

It was consensual sex and I think we will see the video was consensual too.  He's not the first human to produce or watch or share normal adult porn.

 

In the press, the girl said the "only thing she ever wanted was an apology" but the thing is she got that right away so...   the things she said away from the press are probably more accurate:  "I want to ruin this guy's career".     I don't think she's a bad person either, she's not out for money, but she is pissed at him and has chosen to be malicious about it because she knows she has the power to even the score.   And that's probably a good and fair thing.

 

Without a doubt, this guy has received more negativity than she ever will in her life.  And rightfully so.

 

But does an 18 year old kid become unsalvagable because the media says so?

 

How many players would be left in the NHL if we removed every guy that shared a sex pic and identified the girl with his buddies?      

 

Also,,

 

In female sports....   if we removed every female who shared with her friends the identify of who she was sleeping with....would there be any women left in sport?

 

 

My guess is this guy Will realize he made a mistake and Will rectifiy it and Will give back to the community.    The bigger question is if he has the skills to make it to the NHL.

I completely agree with this post. Of course what the kid did was a terrible thing, and he should be punished for it. The rest of this post holds true as well though.

 

For me though there is a far more disturbing, while fascinating, issue at play here. I don’t know the laws in Sweden, so this may be moot. At the time of the consensual sex in question, it is my understanding that this woman was 18 and Mailloux was 17. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, in Canada that’s considered sex with an underage minor, and a criminal act regardless if the sex is consensual. If this is true, it shows a complete double standard that is very very troubling.

[cross16]

Cole Jordan reminds me of Brett Kulak. Great reports on his skating and ability to carry the puck but doesn’t generate much offense. Just like Kulak coming out. 
 

thats solid at this point in the draft. 

[The_Tribal Chief]

168 Jack Beck

[The_Tribal Chief]

172 Lucas Ciona

[sak22]

49 minutes ago, FueltheFlames1075 said:

I completely agree with this post. Of course what the kid did was a terrible thing, and he should be punished for it. The rest of this post holds true as well though.

 

For me though there is a far more disturbing, while fascinating, issue at play here. I don’t know the laws in Sweden, so this may be moot. At the time of the consensual sex in question, it is my understanding that this woman was 18 and Mailloux was 17. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, in Canada that’s considered sex with an underage minor, and a criminal act regardless if the sex is consensual. If this is true, it shows a complete double standard that is very very troubling.

Sex wasn't the issue.  Sharing pictures of the act without her consent is the crime.  Does he deserve his life ruined over it?  No, but I'm fine with setting some example to try and defer this behavior, time to end the boys will be boys mentality and encourage boys to make better decisions.

[zima]

56 minutes ago, cross16 said:

Cole Jordan reminds me of Brett Kulak. Great reports on his skating and ability to carry the puck but doesn’t generate much offense. Just like Kulak coming out. 
 

thats solid at this point in the draft. 

Kulak sure seems like he was in the thick of it in the playoffs 

[cross16]

Beck is a very intriguing pick. Played 1 year in the OHL as a 16 year old rookie and then didn’t play at all last year due to the pandemic.some good offensive numbers in his career so be interesting to see where he goes once he starts playing. 

Not thrilled with Ciona. He looks like a throw back, Sutter style pick. Big, has some intriguing offensive numbers but skating needs work. a roll of the dice on that type of skill set is not the worst thing here though and certainly not In this draft so not going to get worked up about it. First pick of the draft I’m not liking. 

[FueltheFlames1075]

18 minutes ago, sak22 said:

Sex wasn't the issue.  Sharing pictures of the act without her consent is the crime.  Does he deserve his life ruined over it?  No, but I'm fine with setting some example to try and defer this behavior, time to end the boys will be boys mentality and encourage boys to make better decisions.

I understand that that’s not the issue that’s being talked about, but you missed my point entirely. 

 

This is a perfect example of what may be disturbing about this whole mess. Because of the world we live in today, and the double standard, are we so focused on the wrong doing of Mailloux that we are missing the possible fact that an 18 year old woman had sex with an underage 17 year old guy? It doesn’t matter if it was consensual or that it’s only a 1 year age gap. It’s considered sex with an underage minor, which I believe is rape under the laws in Canada at least. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on anything. 
 

I am not arguing with if the kid should be punished. He absolutely should, and I am in the boat that he should not have been drafted this year. It was a bad move by Montreal. If we’re punishing one crime though (the photos), which we should, then we need to punish the other crime too.

 

Edit: And I disagree with the fact that this is a “boys will be boys issue”. I have seen multiple situations where women share intimate photos with their friends, without the guys consent. It happens all of the time, both ways. It’s unfortunate, but true.

[jjgallow]

Good to see a few more left wingers drafted in later rounds, that will help to balance things out for the Calgary Left Wings 

 

 

[zima]

4 minutes ago, cross16 said:

Beck is a very intriguing pick. Played 1 year in the OHL as a 16 year old rookie and then didn’t play at all last year due to the pandemic.some good offensive numbers in his career so be interesting to see where he goes once he starts playing. 

Not thrilled with Ciona. He looks like a throw back, Sutter style pick. Big, has some intriguing offensive numbers but skating needs work. a roll of the dice on they type of skill set is not the worst thing here. 

I'm sorry can't remember the name of the man sutter grab second round me thinks big body showed promise with the knights  i think but didn't do a darn thing in the A

[sak22]

2 minutes ago, FueltheFlames1075 said:

I understand that that’s not the issue that’s being talked about, but you missed my point entirely.

 

This is a perfect example of what may be disturbing about this whole mess. Because of the world we live in today, and the double standard, are we so focused on the wrong doing of Mailloux that we are missing the possible fact that an 18 year old woman had sex with an underage 17 year old guy? It doesn’t matter if it was consensual or that it’s only a 1 year age gap. It’s considered sex with an underage minor, which I believe is rape under the laws in Canada at least. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on anything. 

I don't believe that is correct, I could be wrong but not something that I'm going to make him a victim or her as a predator I've knew many guys when I was 18-21 who dated 17 year olds without ever being charged with anything, so I don't get any double standard talk.

[cross16]

20 minutes ago, FueltheFlames1075 said:

I understand that that’s not the issue that’s being talked about, but you missed my point entirely. 

 

This is a perfect example of what may be disturbing about this whole mess. Because of the world we live in today, and the double standard, are we so focused on the wrong doing of Mailloux that we are missing the possible fact that an 18 year old woman had sex with an underage 17 year old guy? It doesn’t matter if it was consensual or that it’s only a 1 year age gap. It’s considered sex with an underage minor, which I believe is rape under the laws in Canada at least. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on anything. 
 

I am not arguing with if the kid should be punished. He absolutely should, and I am in the boat that he should not have been drafted this year. It was a bad move by Montreal. If we’re punishing one crime though (the photos), which we should, then we need to punish the other crime too.

 

Edit: And I disagree with the fact that this is a “boys will be boys issue”. I have seen multiple situations where women share intimate photos with their friends, without the guys consent. It happens all of the time, both ways. It’s unfortunate, but true.

you will want to fact check that. 

[phoenix66]

Oh look..a goalie 😎

[cross16]

The 2021 Flames draft class can now be its own starting line up. 
 

 

[sak22]

1 minute ago, phoenix66 said:

Oh look..a goalie 😎

From those pesky Shreveport Mudbugs, looks like he's heading to UConn.

 

I guess we can now say we traded James Neal for Milan Lucic (with 12.5% retained), Cameron Whynot and Jack Beck.

[cross16]

Sergeyev is the type of goalie I like drafting frequently. Later rounds, long term projects but with promising performance in sometimes lower leagues. Can develop without any pressure. Both he and Hellebuyck were drafted out of the same league, at the same age but Sergeyev has the slightly better numbers (but in a lower sample size). Doesn’t mean much just interesting. 

[cross16]

Flames had another solid draft. This one doesn’t generate the excitement a few others have but I think that speaks more to the quality of the draft than their work. I don’t think this was a strong draft. 
 

think all of their picks have upside, room to grow and fill needs in their pool. Definitely went more for size than in previous drafts but as I said earlier I think they did a good job of doing that while still focusing on players they bring a skill element to it the game as well. 

[Heartbreaker]

39 minutes ago, cross16 said:

you will want to fact check that. 

 

I found the RCMP documentation on this matter (a quick Google search for age of consent Canada), and was going to share it here. Then I realized that I felt really gross doing that. You have handled this query perfectly with this single sentence. As per usual, good Sir, I defer to you. 

Love. 

[cross16]

He’s not my favorite analyst but always interesting with someone has eyes on someone this late in the draft. 
 

 

[FueltheFlames1075]

1 hour ago, cross16 said:

you will want to fact check that. 

That’s my bad. I was actually asking this from a truly open minded standpoint. I thought I read the laws a while back, and read them as I had posted them. I was wondering from a genuinely concerned standpoint.

 

Good to know, and it helps shed light on the situation for me personally.

[jjgallow]

 

I actually like the Flame's last pick, but not the predictability of them waiting to the 7th round to pick a goalie or take any risks.   They waited until the draft was basically over to swing for the fences.   And while it was a good swing, by this time in the draft they had already missed out on an extraordinary amount of talent with "safe picks", and, for the most part, left wingers.

 

Most likely outcome is we get one NHLer out of this, Coronato, and either move him off-wing or give him little to no minutes because we don't have any available for him at LW.

 

@cross16 claims he was happy, but has claimed that in every Flames draft ever and that leaves one with a very undesireable track record on being happy as well as inevitably butting heads with some like me lol.   I know some think it's the "right" thing to do (being positive), but in the end he may have accidentally summed up the draft for us with one desperate but classic polite observation:

 

''not much upside but lots of good things"

[conundrumed]

15 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

I actually like the Flame's last pick, but not the predictability of them waiting to the 7th round to pick a goalie or take any risks.   They waited until the draft was basically over to swing for the fences.   And while it was a good swing, by this time in the draft they had already missed out on an extraordinary amount of talent with "safe picks", and, for the most part, left wingers.

 

Most likely outcome is we get one NHLer out of this, Coronato, and either move him off-wing or give him little to no minutes because we don't have any available for him at LW.

 

@cross16 claims he was happy, but has claimed that in every Flames draft ever and that leaves one with a very undesireable track record on being happy as well as inevitably butting heads with some like me lol.   I know some think it's the "right" thing to do (being positive), but in the end he may have accidentally summed up the draft for us with one desperate but classic polite observation:

 

''not much upside but lots of good things"

How’s the whiskey?lol

 

[jjgallow]

7 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

How’s the whiskey?lol

 

[MP5029]

3 hours ago, cross16 said:

you will want to fact check that. 

I’m a retired cop here is the fact, he’s 100% correct.

[travel_dude]

51 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

I actually like the Flame's last pick, but not the predictability of them waiting to the 7th round to pick a goalie or take any risks.   They waited until the draft was basically over to swing for the fences.   And while it was a good swing, by this time in the draft they had already missed out on an extraordinary amount of talent with "safe picks", and, for the most part, left wingers.

 

Most likely outcome is we get one NHLer out of this, Coronato, and either move him off-wing or give him little to no minutes because we don't have any available for him at LW.

 

@cross16 claims he was happy, but has claimed that in every Flames draft ever and that leaves one with a very undesireable track record on being happy as well as inevitably butting heads with some like me lol.   I know some think it's the "right" thing to do (being positive), but in the end he may have accidentally summed up the draft for us with one desperate but classic polite observation:

 

''not much upside but lots of good things"

 

If you want to be critical, read the attached breakdown by Todd:

 

https://flamesnation.ca/2021/07/24/tod-button-breaks-down-the-flames-2021-draft-class/