2020-2021 Fantastical Offseason: You be the GM

[cross16]

1 hour ago, robrob74 said:

 

Would a max term at 7.75 be too high? It gives him about 4 years at 9m, then gradually lower his salary in the later years. 9x4, 7, 6, 5. It accounts for what he might actually get in his 35+ years. 

I don't even know what his speed is like. 

 

I see no reason why Pietrangelo would sign that. If he did it would be a steal for the Flames. I imagine he will get better deals than that in FA. 

 

51 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I'm all for trading Gaudreau as long as we land a stud C like Eichel.  Otherwise, just keep him.  Signing Hall will also cost an overpayment... Looking at $9-mil x 7-years... No thanks.

 

 

I look at it a bit differently. Gaudreau has 2 more years left and then is a UFA. Putting aside the will he or won't he and just even looking at asset management getting an equal talent (maybe more depending on your perspective) and then dealing Gaudreau for what is likely a pretty good return is a pretty big asset management win. 

 

Gaudreau either walks for nothing in 2 years or you just pay him what your going to pay Hall now. Short term or long term, it's an asset management win IMO. 

[Thebrewcrew]

I don't think Gaudreau would net Eichel, the reason Buffalo would want Gaudreau would be to play with Eichel. I think the best you would get from Buffalo is Reinhart+.

 

As easy as it is to say trade him to Philly, the player I think the Flames would want is Konecny, who would be a non-starter, he had a better year, is younger and cheaper than Gaudreau. 

 

Unless BT already has his mind made up on this core, the playoff will be next to impossible to evaluate. Players are going from not skating for months, to ramping up in an unprecedented training camp to head straight into a best of 5.

 

 

[robrob74]

1 hour ago, Thebrewcrew said:

I don't think Gaudreau would net Eichel, the reason Buffalo would want Gaudreau would be to play with Eichel. I think the best you would get from Buffalo is Reinhart+.

 

As easy as it is to say trade him to Philly, the player I think the Flames would want is Konecny, who would be a non-starter, he had a better year, is younger and cheaper than Gaudreau. 

 

Unless BT already has his mind made up on this core, the playoff will be next to impossible to evaluate. Players are going from not skating for months, to ramping up in an unprecedented training camp to head straight into a best of 5.

 

 

 

I think I agree, we just like to dream. And Reinhart doesn't do enough for the Flames to consider it. He's a good player, but we need to add more speed and not take it away. Gaudreau handles the puck like a #1C and is creative like one, but doesn't have the back check. It's why he works so well with Monahan. I don't even think that Monahan and Gaudreau would get Eichel, and I think that's closer to what Buffalo would expect. I could see them wanting a 3rd player/pick. It isn't that I think the Flames players have no value, Eichel is younger, a #1C and bordering elite. (I think my definition of elite differs from a lot on here) But maybe a Monahan and Gaudreau does get it done? They run a good offence for the Flames which could score at will (if they're actually trying). 

 

I see Gaudreau as having elite skills, but the fact that he doesn't have a total package renders him less than elite, and that goes with any of the Flames other players. The only one bordering for me would be Giordano as he plays his position closest to the total package. His speed might drop him out of that standing.

 

Just to dream:

 

Tkachuk, Eichel, Lindholm

Bennett, Backlund, Dube

Lucic, Ryan, Mangiapane

XXX, Jankowski, XXX

 

Graduate a few players from Stockton? 

 

Giordano, Brodie

Hanifin, Andersson

Valamaki, Kylington/Forbert or Gustaffson 

 

I think if the Flames aren't going to get a PP specialist or D guy like Pietrangelo, they should try keep Gus just for the PP. It looked better with him on it. 

 

 

[The_People1]

3 hours ago, cross16 said:

 

I see no reason why Pietrangelo would sign that. If he did it would be a steal for the Flames. I imagine he will get better deals than that in FA. 

 

 

 

I look at it a bit differently. Gaudreau has 2 more years left and then is a UFA. Putting aside the will he or won't he and just even looking at asset management getting an equal talent (maybe more depending on your perspective) and then dealing Gaudreau for what is likely a pretty good return is a pretty big asset management win. 

 

Gaudreau either walks for nothing in 2 years or you just pay him what your going to pay Hall now. Short term or long term, it's an asset management win IMO. 

 

That's why i want to trade Gaudreau for Eichel so bad too... The "we don't have to deal with Gaudreau in 2 years."

 

To have him walk for nothing would be a tremendous asset management blunder.  Fire-able offense.

[The_People1]

2 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said:

I don't think Gaudreau would net Eichel, the reason Buffalo would want Gaudreau would be to play with Eichel. I think the best you would get from Buffalo is Reinhart+.

 

As easy as it is to say trade him to Philly, the player I think the Flames would want is Konecny, who would be a non-starter, he had a better year, is younger and cheaper than Gaudreau. 

 

Unless BT already has his mind made up on this core, the playoff will be next to impossible to evaluate. Players are going from not skating for months, to ramping up in an unprecedented training camp to head straight into a best of 5.

 

 

 

DEPENDS IF EICHEL DEMANDS A TRADE

 

[The_People1]

33 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

I think I agree, we just like to dream. And Reinhart doesn't do enough for the Flames to consider it. He's a good player, but we need to add more speed and not take it away. Gaudreau handles the puck like a #1C and is creative like one, but doesn't have the back check. It's why he works so well with Monahan. I don't even think that Monahan and Gaudreau would get Eichel, and I think that's closer to what Buffalo would expect. I could see them wanting a 3rd player/pick. It isn't that I think the Flames players have no value, Eichel is younger, a #1C and bordering elite. (I think my definition of elite differs from a lot on here) But maybe a Monahan and Gaudreau does get it done? They run a good offence for the Flames which could score at will (if they're actually trying). 

 

I see Gaudreau as having elite skills, but the fact that he doesn't have a total package renders him less than elite, and that goes with any of the Flames other players. The only one bordering for me would be Giordano as he plays his position closest to the total package. His speed might drop him out of that standing.

 

Just to dream:

 

Tkachuk, Eichel, Lindholm

Bennett, Backlund, Dube

Lucic, Ryan, Mangiapane

XXX, Jankowski, XXX

 

Graduate a few players from Stockton? 

 

Giordano, Brodie

Hanifin, Andersson

Valamaki, Kylington/Forbert or Gustaffson 

 

I think if the Flames aren't going to get a PP specialist or D guy like Pietrangelo, they should try keep Gus just for the PP. It looked better with him on it. 

 

 

 

I feel Gaudreau + Giordano would get it done for sure if Eichel demands a trade.  BUF wants an dressing room change.  You bring in Giordano as captain and Gaudreau to offset some of the loss of Eichel.

 

Hopefully also move Hanifin for Reinhart.

 

In return, the Flames sign Pietrangelo to replace Giordano via UFA.  (Probably no money to sign Hall though).

 

Our D would look something like,

 

Gustafson - Pietrangelo

Valimaki - Andersson

Kylington - Forbort

 

 

[JTech780]

8 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

DEPENDS IF EICHEL DEMANDS A TRADE

 

 

He is in year 2 of an 8 year deal he signed with Buffalo, I doubt he is going to demand a trade anytime soon. Even he did ask for a trade, Buffalo probably won't move him, till it gets leaked publicly or till he sits out. I would be surprised if either happened this year.

 

I agree that if Buffalo made Eichel available you do whatever you can to get him, top 5 centers don't come available very often or ever outside of the draft.

[The_People1]

6 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

He is in year 2 of an 8 year deal he signed with Buffalo, I doubt he is going to demand a trade anytime soon. Even he did ask for a trade, Buffalo probably won't move him, till it gets leaked publicly or till he sits out. I would be surprised if either happened this year.

 

I agree that if Buffalo made Eichel available you do whatever you can to get him, top 5 centers don't come available very often or ever outside of the draft.

 

Some rumblings around January that Eichel may be unhappy.

 

So...

 

 

[sak22]

6 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

Some rumblings around January that Eichel may be unhappy.

 

So...

 

 

The chances are the same as that movie.

[JTech780]

So if we trade Gaudreau and Monahan:

 

Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm

Mangiapane-Bennett-Dube

Lucic-Ryan-?

?-Gawdin-Phillips

 

Hanifin-Andersson

Giordano-?

Valimaki-Kylington

 

Rittich

?

 

I am sure there will be some players coming back to fill in some of the question marks.

 

Not saying this is a good roster, but it's not that bad either.

[Thebrewcrew]

Here's a stab at trading both of Monahan and Gaudreau.

 

Trades

 

To NYR

Monahan

Kylington

To CGY

2020 1st 23rd overall

Nils Lundkvist- arguably the best RHD prospect in the game. 31pts in the SHL as a 19yr old. 

Vitali Kravtsov- 8th overall pick in 2018. Hard to see much of a future for him with NYR as they are loaded on the wings now. That relationship appears to be strained too

Ryan Strome- I don't really want him, but NYR would need to move him to make this work. He's not a 60pt player like he was this year, but he's a 40pt guy. Helps you try fill in for the loss of Monahan.

 

To PHI

Gaudreau

To CGY

Sanheim- former Hitmen standout, able to play both sides. I'd rather him than Phil Myers

Frost- dominant junior, had a fairly solid rookie season as a pro. PHI is loaded up front so hard to see him cracking the lineup

2020 2nd round pick

 

 

RFA's

Mangiapane 2.6x3

Gawdin essentially signs his QO at 787,500

Strome 5x1 he needs to prove last season wasn't a fluke. This walks him right to UFA

UFA's

Talbot 3x2

Rieder 725k x2

 

Lineup

Tkachuk-Strome-Lindholm

?-Backlund-Mangiapane

Lucic-Bennett-Dube

Rieder-Ryan-Gawdin

 

Giordano-Sanheim

Hanifin-Andersson

Valimaki-Yelesin

 

Rittich

Talbot

 

This leaves you with roughly 12.3 mill in space. The Flames could sign Hall if they want. The real win here would be acquiring the 3 prospects that instantly beef up the system and may in fact become the best 3 in the system. Kravtsov has an NHL out clause in his KHL deal, him and Frost could compete for a top 6 role if Hall is not signed. 

 

The Pacific still isn't the strongest division, the Flames would be in the mix for a playoff spot, which would appeal to ownership. It's VGK and then everyone else, maybe VAN but who knows if they can afford Markstrom.

[robrob74]

On 8/22/2020 at 4:21 PM, Thebrewcrew said:

Here's a stab at trading both of Monahan and Gaudreau.

 

Trades

 

To NYR

Monahan

Kylington

To CGY

2020 1st 23rd overall

Nils Lundkvist- arguably the best RHD prospect in the game. 31pts in the SHL as a 19yr old. 

Vitali Kravtsov- 8th overall pick in 2018. Hard to see much of a future for him with NYR as they are loaded on the wings now. That relationship appears to be strained too

Ryan Strome- I don't really want him, but NYR would need to move him to make this work. He's not a 60pt player like he was this year, but he's a 40pt guy. Helps you try fill in for the loss of Monahan.

 

To PHI

Gaudreau

To CGY

Sanheim- former Hitmen standout, able to play both sides. I'd rather him than Phil Myers

Frost- dominant junior, had a fairly solid rookie season as a pro. PHI is loaded up front so hard to see him cracking the lineup

2020 2nd round pick

 

 

RFA's

Mangiapane 2.6x3

Gawdin essentially signs his QO at 787,500

Strome 5x1 he needs to prove last season wasn't a fluke. This walks him right to UFA

UFA's

Talbot 3x2

Rieder 725k x2

 

Lineup

Tkachuk-Strome-Lindholm

?-Backlund-Mangiapane

Lucic-Bennett-Dube

Rieder-Ryan-Gawdin

 

Giordano-Sanheim

Hanifin-Andersson

Valimaki-Yelesin

 

Rittich

Talbot

 

This leaves you with roughly 12.3 mill in space. The Flames could sign Hall if they want. The real win here would be acquiring the 3 prospects that instantly beef up the system and may in fact become the best 3 in the system. Kravtsov has an NHL out clause in his KHL deal, him and Frost could compete for a top 6 role if Hall is not signed. 

 

The Pacific still isn't the strongest division, the Flames would be in the mix for a playoff spot, which would appeal to ownership. It's VGK and then everyone else, maybe VAN but who knows if they can afford Markstrom.

 

right now as that roster stands. You’re trading the two players who couldn’t perform. Monahan may end up better as he’s working on his game, but for us, if he’s not scoring he isn’t doing enough. I am happy he is trying to develop a side to his game that is missing, but it had really hurt his scoring ability. Was that in Monahan or Gaudreau? 
 

it really goes to show how some players lose a part of their game when they develop another, why it must be hard for junior guys who were offensive stars to translate to the NHL when they go defensive. Like when Yelle went to Colorado he had to play down the line so he developed that part of his game and it became his destiny. 

[pikey7883]

11 hours ago, robrob74 said:

 

right now as that roster stands. You’re trading the two players who couldn’t perform. Monahan may end up better as he’s working on his game, but for us, if he’s not scoring he isn’t doing enough. I am happy he is trying to develop a side to his game that is missing, but it had really hurt his scoring ability. Was that in Monahan or Gaudreau? 
 

it really goes to show how some players lose a part of their game when they develop another, why it must be hard for junior guys who were offensive stars to translate to the NHL when they go defensive. Like when Yelle went to Colorado he had to play down the line so he developed that part of his game and it became his destiny. 

Or Bennett?

[robrob74]

4 hours ago, pikey7883 said:

Or Bennett?

 

Quite possible. I always thought and was one of very few here who believed if you give Bennett a legitimate chance that he’d look better with players who could play, saying he would be as good as Monahan if he had the chance to get the same opportunity as him.

[Sobieit]

Here is what I would do:

 

Winnipeg is in need of a second line center and some D, is Laine available... hopefully

To Winnipeg:

Backlund

Hanifin

2nd

To Calgary:

Laine

Roslovic

 

Buffalo needs a changeup as much as we do... Is the return enough?

Then to Buffalo:

Monahan

Gaudreau

 

To Calgary:

Reinhart

Montour

Mittelstadt

8th overall

 

We would need to sign Hall

 

Leaves us with:

Hall(8m) Lindholm(4.85) Laine(6.75)

Tkatchuk(7) Reinhart(5.5) Mangiapane(3)

Dube(778k) Bennett(2.5) Roslovic (2.5)

Lucic(5.25) Mittelstadt(900k) Gawdin(800k)

 

Gio(6.75) Andersson(4.5)

Valimaki(895k) Montour(3.5m)

Kylington(900k) Yelesin(925k)

 

I feel this makes us better.  We have whoever is left at 8th overall as well as the potential for the third line to breakout.

On defence, we get younger and less experienced, we would have the cap to resign Brodie if needed, or someone else.

We are left with about 8mil in cap to sign a goalie.

 

[flames-fan-in-jets-land]

1 hour ago, Sobieit said:

Here is what I would do:

 

Winnipeg is in need of a second line center and some D, is Laine available... hopefully

To Winnipeg:

Backlund

Hanifin

2nd

To Calgary:

Laine

Roslovic

 

Buffalo needs a changeup as much as we do... Is the return enough?

Then to Buffalo:

Monahan

Gaudreau

 

To Calgary:

Reinhart

Montour

Mittelstadt

8th overall

 

We would need to sign Hall

 

Leaves us with:

Hall(8m) Lindholm(4.85) Laine(6.75)

Tkatchuk(7) Reinhart(5.5) Mangiapane(3)

Dube(778k) Bennett(2.5) Roslovic (2.5)

Lucic(5.25) Mittelstadt(900k) Gawdin(800k)

 

Gio(6.75) Andersson(4.5)

Valimaki(895k) Montour(3.5m)

Kylington(900k) Yelesin(925k)

 

I feel this makes us better.  We have whoever is left at 8th overall as well as the potential for the third line to breakout.

On defence, we get younger and less experienced, we would have the cap to resign Brodie if needed, or someone else.

We are left with about 8mil in cap to sign a goalie.

 

Chevy would get run out of town if he did that trade. Plus Ros will be getting a raise right away and then Laine next year (I'm thinking around $9 mil). Talking heads around here think Copp will be the successor to to 2C if Little retires. With Buff off the books they got the money to go big on the D if they want and Peitroangelos name is showing up on Jets boards as much as Flames boards. Not that I think either is going to be his first choice.

[Thebrewcrew]

Here's a look at trading Monahan to Buffalo.

 

To BUF

Monahan

Hanifin

To CGY

Reinhart

Montour

 

RFA's Mangiapane 2.6x3

Gawdin 787.5k

Montour 4.1x3

Kylington 787.5k

 

UFA

Talbot 3x2

Hall 7.75x7

 

Hall-Lindholm-Tkachuk

Gaudreau-Bennett-Reinhart

Mangiapane-Backlund-Dube

Lucic-Ryan-Gawdin

 

Giordano-Andersson

Valimaki-Montour

Mackey/Kylington-Yelesin

 

PP units

Tkachuk-Lindholm-Hall

Gaudreau-Andersson

 

Mangiapane-Backlund-Hall

Dube-Montour

 

I don't love rushing Valimaki into the top 4, but for this scenario to work you need a cheap D in the top 4. This leaves you with 660k in cap on a 22 man roster

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, Thebrewcrew said:

To BUF

Monahan

Hanifin

To CGY

Reinhart

Montour

 

 

So, you want to trade a guy on a value contract for a guy with arbitration right that is going to get anywhere from 7-9m long term?

I guess you are overrpaying for Reinhart but underpaying for Montour.

Pass.

 

You want to trade Hanifin for Montour straight up?

Sure.

[Thebrewcrew]

13 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

So, you want to trade a guy on a value contract for a guy with arbitration right that is going to get anywhere from 7-9m long term?

I guess you are overrpaying for Reinhart but underpaying for Montour.

Pass.

 

You want to trade Hanifin for Montour straight up?

Sure.

Who’s getting 7-9 as you suggest? Not Reinhart. Montour may not even be tendered a QO so he could be a UFA. 
 

Could even just take Hanifin and Montour out. But would have to shave off a little on all the signings to make the money work

[travel_dude]

11 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Who’s getting 7-9 as you suggest? Not Reinhart. Montour may not even be tendered a QO so he could be a UFA. 
 

Could even just take Hanifin and Montour out. But would have to shave off a little on all the signings to make the money work

 

You think Reinhart is going to get less than $7m?

You are buying almost all UFA years for one thing.

Hischier is getting >$7m.

Debrincat and Tkachuk will get $9m in their last year and neither are a C.

Yes, COVID has impacted cap, but the most important will still get money.

Hall is not going to sign for less than $7m because of COVID.

 

Count me in the trade Hanifin for Montour.

May lose the cost certainty, but we have LD in spades.

[robrob74]

4 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

You think Reinhart is going to get less than $7m?

You are buying almost all UFA years for one thing.

Hischier is getting >$7m.

Debrincat and Tkachuk will get $9m in their last year and neither are a C.

Yes, COVID has impacted cap, but the most important will still get money.

Hall is not going to sign for less than $7m because of COVID.

 

Count me in the trade Hanifin for Montour.

May lose the cost certainty, but we have LD in spades.

 

in a Hall interview he said Covid will impact the cap so he’s not concerned about money as much as he wants to win. 
 

I like that attitude. Players deserve to get paid but I agree with Marchand, he said he doesn’t deserve outrageously more than Bergeron and other teammates so he took less to keep the team good. 
 

to some players it is a business, to others it is about winning. Hall said what mogilny once said, that they’re getting paid a lot of money to play a game. I think I read it on the SN site in regards to rumours. 
 

I don’t know if calgary is a place where he can win, but selling the farm won’t lure him in.

 

i thought Reinhart wasn’t even as good as Backlund. Why would he deserve more than 7M? I’d have expected 5.5-6m.

[Thebrewcrew]

4 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

You think Reinhart is going to get less than $7m?

You are buying almost all UFA years for one thing.

Hischier is getting >$7m.

Debrincat and Tkachuk will get $9m in their last year and neither are a C.

Yes, COVID has impacted cap, but the most important will still get money.

Hall is not going to sign for less than $7m because of COVID.

 

Count me in the trade Hanifin for Montour.

May lose the cost certainty, but we have LD in spades.

I wouldn’t worry about Reinhart asking for too much. I remember seeing several interviews in the draft year, he wanted to be a Flame. His dad and brother played here, he could be next. Maybe you go shorter term with him. 

[travel_dude]

19 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

I wouldn’t worry about Reinhart asking for too much. I remember seeing several interviews in the draft year, he wanted to be a Flame. His dad and brother played here, he could be next. Maybe you go shorter term with him. 

 

I have never really been a fan of Sam.

I think he left money on the table to go a shorter route to a good contract.

He seems to be about the level of Backlund in production, albeit playing top RW minutes.

 

I'm just saying that salary prediction is closer to 9m than 6m.

Not that I believe he is worth it.

Look at what Skinner got.

The cap just means you won't see Tavares money being handed out in FA.

If MacKinnon re-signed today, he would get pretty close to that.

I know most UFA deals were taking into consideration a rising cap, but they still had to fit 81.5m or whatever it was.

 

[JTech780]

Monahan for Reinhart is a backwards move, it doesn't make us better now or in the future. Reinahrt also isn't a center, he is purely a winger at this point.

 

I am fine with moving Monahan, but it has to be done with the idea of getting a similar talent for the now, or getting future pieces that you hope will be better, I think the latter is more likely.

[robrob74]

10 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

Monahan for Reinhart is a backwards move, it doesn't make us better now or in the future. Reinahrt also isn't a center, he is purely a winger at this point.

 

I am fine with moving Monahan, but it has to be done with the idea of getting a similar talent for the now, or getting future pieces that you hope will be better, I think the latter is more likely.

 

yup! It’s why I thought him to Ottawa for 5th overall+ might be a good idea for a quick retool. It depends on if you think that 5th overall could be just as good. Ottawa could use a C and he’s already a player that played in Ottawa. He’d be recognized By the community already.
 

maybe do the Hamonic deal. 
 

to Calgary:

5th overall 

2nd rounder this year 

2nd rounder next year
 

to Ottawa:

Sean Monahan