Zatch Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, The_People1 said: You lost me at Shinkaruk dude. Do we even need to protect him because has he played the minimum number of games? And more importantly, why? He is trending the wrong way. I would have traded Shinkaruk straight up for Lazar as I don't feel Shinkaruk plays enough of a 200 ft game required to succeed in the NHL. He remains a long shot project. Eventually better than Frolik?! I think the Flames have to expose him because he's played 'technically' three professional seasons. I admit it is a long shot, but I do have hope in Shinkaruk, perhaps a bias opinion (okay, a lot of bias opinion). I projected Shinkaruk to be a 40-50 point producer in the NHL by the time he was in his prime, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just a small update the trade is calgary Lazar and kostka for 2nd and jokipakka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatch Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, FlameFan4Life said: Protecting Shink over Frolik is not smart at all. Frolik is a proven 2 way foward with size and speed. He is good for 15-20 goal per season and kills penalties. Under 5mil. Why? Tell me why you protect gut feeling over proof? There is a reason I'm not a GM. Shink is still a prospect, and obviously a community is going to have different opinions, but I've always had high hopes. Like I said above, I always projected him to be a 40+ point producer. Not only that, but Shink can play on the wing or down the middle, and would offer a coach some flexibility. Lazar and Shinkaruk remind me of Backlund when he first joined the Flames roster. Sure, Backlund was far better at defending than both of them together, but there is room for improvement. After all, Lazar and Shinkaruk are young enough to refine their roles. I've seen sparks of offensive and defensive awareness from Shinkaruk, and Lazar always struck me as a gritty forward with a ton of character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Given Lazar is expansion draft eligible i'm going to assume Treliving likely has done his homework already and know who McPhee is eyeing for the Flames and how this would impact it. I doubt very much Treliving would give up a 2nd round pick is he was concerned about losing Lazar in the expansion draft. There is no way the Flames are exposing Frolik but Brouwer is one that I think they might give consideration too. Acquiring Lazar could potetnially give them enough ammo to expose Brouwer and just say their hands were tied. I'm also not really convinced Brouwer would get claimed as that just isn't a very good contract and i'm sure even McPhee may not want to be stuck with it. I don't think the flames will bat an eye if Shinkaruk is claimed. While he may turn out to be an ok goal scorer at the NHL level Flames have LW -Gaudreau - Tkachuk long term and guys like Klimchuck, Ferland and now Lazar he is battling with in the near future with guys like Mangiapane on the way. Losing Shinkaruk isn't a big deal and he certainly is not worth protecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, cross16 said: Given Lazar is expansion draft eligible i'm going to assume Treliving likely has done his homework already and know who McPhee is eyeing for the Flames and how this would impact it. I doubt very much Treliving would give up a 2nd round pick is he was concerned about losing Lazar in the expansion draft. There is no way the Flames are exposing Frolik but Brouwer is one that I think they might give consideration too. Acquiring Lazar could potetnially give them enough ammo to expose Brouwer and just say their hands were tied. I'm also not really convinced Brouwer would get claimed as that just isn't a very good contract and i'm sure even McPhee may not want to be stuck with it. I don't think the flames will bat an eye if Shinkaruk is claimed. While he may turn out to be an ok goal scorer at the NHL level Flames have Gaudreau - Tkachuk long term and guys like Klimchuck, Ferland and now Lazar he is battling with in the near future with guys like Mangiapane on the way. Losing Shinkaruk isn't a big deal and he certainly is not worth protecting. I think you are pretty close to the truth there. They have to protect Lazar. They can expose Brouwer, Stone (if they can't circumvent it somehow), Bart-man, Stajan and Bouma. Either that or they have already discussed some things with LV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, MAC331 said: Prospects are unknowns and may never have the upside you speak of here. If Lazar does top out as a 3rd line C and a very good one sooner than that 2nd pick who could take another 3 years to prove out I think the team is better served. He is young and in an age group similar to the core. As they peak and he peaks, it could be perfect in the long term. We need good depth players to succeed. What if he does well with Bennett? Either way, in a not very deep draft... not a terrible deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Would like to welcome the kid to Calgary. I am Ok with this, he is bigger and can skate. He is an upgrade over Chassion but I am not sure he is anything above a 3rd liner. Our system is built for speed and fast transition so for now he could be fine. The kid still has to prove himself to make the lineup. Over all a NHL player for a 2nd rounder in a very weak draft, has to be a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Meh. He is likely better then what we would have got at the draft. I prefer picking up him then blowing the pick on a rental and Treliving was under pressure to do something. Lazar is a young RH shot and he plays a power game so he clearly fills an organizational need. I guess we will see. But I think the Flames protect Gaudreau, Bennett, Monahan, Frolik, Backlund, Ferland, and Lazar. Which is fine. Losing Brouwer and his contract isn't the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Listening to a couple of interviews and doing some more digging into this guy, I am starting to come around. I think he and Bennett are kind of going through the same things, both play an uptempo game, in your face game, and when they deviate from that they get a bit lost. Lazar was getting less than 9mins of ice time a night, I am not sure how Ottawa figured he would develop playing those type of minutes. It would be nice to see him and Bennett develop some chemistry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBTC-FLAMES-EDITION Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 With the lineup as is I see us protecting Forwards 7 Defence 3 Gaudreau Giordano Monahan Brodie Ferland Hamilton Backlund Frolik Bennett Lazar I'd be fine with exposing the rest including Brouwer. I also think we re-sign one of our two goalies or sign another at the end of the season to protect. I think Vegas in this scenario might take Bouma or Shinkaruk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zima Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 They might move Ben to Wing and put lazar on center I hear he perfers center . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 It's not going to look good but I think it's looking pretty likely the flames could expose Brouwer. Maybe they get lucky and get out from under what looks to be a mistake. Im still not convinced LV would take Brouwer but exposing him is an option now. I think they needed another forward to make it an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zima Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 How many players are they allowed to pick ? if they pick 2 from each team they will have over 60 players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Just now, zima said: How many players are they allowed to pick ? if they pick 2 from each team they will have over 60 players? 1 from each team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zima Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 So only 1 but we have to allow 2 options 1 D and 1 F Ok I C Im not going to knock Brouwer I thought him and Ben did great in preseason but have not done anything in Reg so maybe ben and the Lazar Brouwer could make it work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBTC-FLAMES-EDITION Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Brouwer is a 15-20 goals and 35-40 points guy so he is a little below those stats but so is almost everyone on the team. I'm fine with the contract if he rebounds a little the rest of the year and hopefully in the playoffs and next season but I'm also okay if Vegas takes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippinVdUb Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Good trade for a fair price, this kid was rushed into the the show and his game has suffered because of it. His first season in Ottawa was stellar. Maybe not in terms of his stats, but when they went on there crazy run his line was one of the driving factors in that. I think the risk/reward was well worth a 2nd. Especially when you factor in that hes a right hand shot who can play wing and center. A calculated bet by a group who knows Lazar well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Now that we have added Lazar to our stable of 2013 1st round picks (Monahan, Lazar, Poirier, Shinkaruk, Klimchuk), who are we going to target next from that round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, kehatch said: Meh. He is likely better then what we would have got at the draft. I prefer picking up him then blowing the pick on a rental and Treliving was under pressure to do something. Lazar is a young RH shot and he plays a power game so he clearly fills an organizational need. I guess we will see. But I think the Flames protect Gaudreau, Bennett, Monahan, Frolik, Backlund, Ferland, and Lazar. Which is fine. Losing Brouwer and his contract isn't the end of the world. Excluding the “Meh”, I concur with the rest. I think the 2nd rd pick is worth the risk for a proven winner with great attitude, upside should be very good for many years. Vrbata would have been the alternative, 20 something games, maybe zero chemistry then gone. I’ll take Lazar over a rental at this stage of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippinVdUb Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 51 minutes ago, CheersMan said: Excluding the “Meh”, I concur with the rest. I think the 2nd rd pick is worth the risk for a proven winner with great attitude, upside should be very good for many years. Vrbata would have been the alternative, 20 something games, maybe zero chemistry then gone. I’ll take Lazar over a rental at this stage of the game. I honestly believe people will look back on this trade deadline and see Tre as a savy GM that from what I can see added two very nice peices at minimal cost. No other GM was able to shake out players they see a future with and exploit the looming expansion draft. The stone deal was a thing of beauty, potentialy bringing in a top 4-5 dman without having to protect him... And I am still a big Lazar fan, I think the juice is worth the squeeze and look forward to seeing if he can find his stride. If he can, watch out... Ferly Chucky Bennett Lazar Thats a heavy, highly skilled group of players for your top 9. And Id say worth a 2nd in a weak draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 It is a No risk with reward cause if he doesnt do well last18 games we dont resign him if he does we resign him and we have gained something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I had a feeling the flames were going to target Lazar, and I - like some others - hope he and Bennett develop some chemistry. I could see lazar rw but stepping in for offensive zone face offs when it's advantageous to us. Bennett and lazar could become pretty complimentary players. Welcome to the flames Laser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 1 hour ago, JTech780 said: Now that we have added Lazar to our stable of 2013 1st round picks (Monahan, Lazar, Poirier, Shinkaruk, Klimchuk), who are we going to target next from that round? Valeri Nichushkin, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrippinVdUb Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Question? As an RFA can the Flames sign Lazar to a 2 way deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 23 minutes ago, TrippinVdUb said: Question? As an RFA can the Flames sign Lazar to a 2 way deal? It becomes a bit of a moot point, because he is waiver eligible. To take advantage of the lower salary, you would need to waive him. He's not going to get much of a bump this summer. He will need to prove he's worth more than a Ferland or Chaisson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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