ABC923 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 We all know it is done behind closed doors in a very not transparent way. Just wondering what everyone thinks. On a related topic, who would have to win in order to prove in your mind that it was done fairly? For example, if the oilers were to win again, I would actually argue it must have been done fairly because nobody likes Kevin Lowe and would not want to do him any more favours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 I think the lottery is totally fixed. It will be interesting to see where the league wants McDavid to go. Would they put him in a small market like Arizona or Buffalo? Even if he succeeds in Arizona or Buffalo, it pales in comparison to success in a place like Toronto. The leafs haven't had a marketable superstar there since Mat Sundin. He could be the face of the Leafs franchise, an original six team, and most likely gets more global media coverage than Arizona or Buffalo. Unless, the league believes the Leafs's market is already saturated and maxed out in potential. So between Arizona, Buffalo, or Edmonton, the league could choose where McDavid would land. Most likely Arizona to save their franchise. Keep in mind, there are other teams in play. Like, what if they rig the lottery for a team like LA or Philly? That would translate into money. Certainly, enough money worth rigging the whole thing for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 It is a game of chance. The best place for McDavid to save a franchise is ARZ. Buffalo will be fine with Eichel, TO is a joke all the time and requires no more media coverage. Really if McDavid does end up in EDM I will quit watching hockey, you can't keep feeding the bottom dwellers when they can't even arrange a 2 float parade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 The results will be shown just prior to the Sat. game before the Pens & Rags. I read somewhere that the thing is video taped with tapes available to all clubs. This year there will be a site available to media & fans. If I find the article I'll post the link. If not hopefully they announce it during the release of the results. ************************************************************************ In the meantime get your tinfoil hats on. Use 2 layers if neccessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 I believe (but not confirmed of course) that the process is confirmed by Deloitte or some other audit firm. If this is the case, I would say that it is legit. If not, then the results would be arguable at best, law suit material at worst. We are talking about "potential franchise prospects". Saying it is so doesn't convince billionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 The draft lottery is not fixed... That's the problem, it's broken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 When 10's of millions of dollars are at stake anything can happen. I want to see it live on national TV before I change my vote to NO. The results will be shown just prior to the Sat. game before the Pens & Rags. I read somewhere that the thing is video taped with tapes available to all clubs. This year there will be a site available to media & fans. If I find the article I'll post the link. If not hopefully they announce it during the release of the results. So is it a video tape of draw #1 or if the results are not what is wanted by the NHL draw#2 or #3 etc. What we are shown in a video tape is meaningless. McDavid has already saved a sinking franchise in Erie. So we need to determine what team benifits the NHL the most by drafting McDavid and we will have our lottery winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfreining Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ok, lets go through the conspiracy theory.... There are 14 GMs hoping for McDavid. Even 2% are 2%. McDavid is a resource that can provide financial success to a franchise. If there would be a chance that this lottery is fake or the is not trustworthy, don't you think that the 13 GMs loosing McDavid wouldn't take respective action? The GMs are installing the system and all of them need to look for the financial success of the franchise as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketdoctor Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 With the way the NHL hypes and markets nearly everything it has in it's hands I am surprised that this annual event is not live. And that raises my suspicions of a stitch up. I know nothing other than McDavids name and he can play some decent hockey. is he a likely Lindros candidate that refuses to go somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 When 10's of millions of dollars are at stake anything can happen. I want to see it live on national TV before I change my vote to NO. So is it a video tape of draw #1 or if the results are not what is wanted by the NHL draw#2 or #3 etc. What we are shown in a video tape is meaningless. McDavid has already saved a sinking franchise in Erie. So we need to determine what team benifits the NHL the most by drafting McDavid and we will have our lottery winner. Every team that wants to can have a rep @ the drawing. The video will be available @ NHL.com after the announcement before game 2 of the Pens @ Rags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 How do they draw though? The method is key because the lottery used to be done via a computer running random numbers. Like what kind of rep are you going to send there to verify legitimacy of this randomness? There could be a fix in the programming code that would take far too much effort and investigation to go through. Do they reach into a clear see through glass and pick a lotto ball out of it? But there will need to be thousands of balls in the glass jar. And what about the NBA's "cold envelope" conspiracy? Could the NHL have their "cold lotto ball" conspiracy? Do they spin a wheel? But what if there are weights and magnets installed to control the outcome of the spin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 If the whole episode is overseen by Deloitte, as was mentioned but not confirmed, none of your "fixing" parameters hold water peeps. Add in all of these teams are insured, it's hard to imagine you'd be pulling fast ones in this day and age. Threads like this get traction because we're ill-informed on the process, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 How do they draw though? The method is key because the lottery used to be done via a computer running random numbers. Like what kind of rep are you going to send there to verify legitimacy of this randomness? There could be a fix in the programming code that would take far too much effort and investigation to go through. Do they reach into a clear see through glass and pick a lotto ball out of it? But there will need to be thousands of balls in the glass jar. And what about the NBA's "cold envelope" conspiracy? Could the NHL have their "cold lotto ball" conspiracy? Do they spin a wheel? But what if there are weights and magnets installed to control the outcome of the spin? When you buy a 6/49 ticket, do you worry about watching the exact drawing? It used to be shown on a Quebec channel, and several lines of balls (1-9, 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49) were release into the tumbler. After a random tiime, the door was open and they would start falling out one at a time until 7 numbers were released. All of this was reviewed (audited if you like) by some firm that is independantly hired to be there. I don't know if this method is still used, but the processes are verified. There is no element of fixing that isn't certified. We are talking about tens of millions of dollars. If they devote that to mere money, then you have to have a little faith that teams would be demanding the same accountability for a "franchise changer". Billionaires do not take that kind of thing lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Just for fun check out the DGB/Grantland possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Normally, i would think there's no fixing that occurs. But this is a McDavid year and that changes everything. It's not going to be a group of billionaires bidding for the #1 pick and then the secret process gets leaked and the thing goes viral and erupts. It's going to be one or two people like Gary Bettman on the NHL's side that weighs the benefit of fixing the lottery and then applies a slight of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 There is nothing wrong with you television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling the transmission. You are about to experience the awe & mystery that reaches from the inner mind to The Outer Limits. *********************************************************************** There is a 5th dimention beyond that known to man. It is an area we call The Twilight Zone. *********************************************************************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://bestdemotivationalposters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/hypnotic-stare-hypnotist-best-demotivational-posters.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bestdemotivationalposters.com/hypnotic-stare/&h=731&w=500&tbnid=PiW2pjiv8tdD-M:&zoom=1&docid=MBk8kZ-ryr1YnM&ei=9aYxVf2AEqe1sQSgs4GQAQ&tbm=isch&ved=0CFkQMyhRMFE4ZA Look into my eyes..... You are getting sleeeeeeeeppppppy. Sleeeeeepy. Everything is as it should be...... Florida winning is normal........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/NHL-Lottery-2015-Look-Up-Table-Numerical.pdf http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdfs/NHL-Lottery-2015-Look-Up-Table-Alpha-by-Team.pdf http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=763807&navid=DL|NHL|home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 There is no such thing as a pre-recorded, fair lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromancer Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 What is with the massive permutation approach with 14 balls, pick 4, and determine winner? I fully understand the simplicity of this approach but why not just have 1000 balls & assign the percentage of balls given the team lottery chances. I'm sure there exists a lottery ball machine that can handle a 1000 balls. 1 Buffalo Sabres 20.00% 200 2 Arizona Coyotes 13.50% 135 3 Edmonton Oilers 11.50% 115 4 Toronto Maple Leafs 9.50% 95 5 Carolina Hurricanes 8.50% 85 6 New Jersey Devils 7.50% 75 7 Philadelphia Flyers 6.50% 65 8 Columbus Blue Jackets 6.00% 60 9 San Jose Sharks 5.00% 50 10 Colorado Avalanche 3.50% 35 11 Florida Panthers 3.00% 30 12 Dallas Stars 2.50% 25 13 Los Angeles Kings 2.00% 20 14 Boston Bruins 1.00% 10 To determine the winner, the official lottery machine is loaded with 14 balls, each bearing one number, 1 to 14. The NHL Draft Lottery involves drawing one set of four numbers from the machine. One ball is expelled from the machine at a ten-second interval until four balls are discharged. Without regard to the order the numbers are drawn, there are exactly 1,001 four-number combinations. Each of the 14 teams in the NHL Draft Lottery is assigned the number of combinations corresponding to the odds allocated to them by their regular-season finish (i.e., the team given a 20% chance to win the NHL Draft Lottery is represented by 200 of the 1,001 possible combinations, the team with a 13.5% chance is assigned 135 combinations, and so forth). One combination (11, 12, 13, 14) has been designated as a "re-draw," allowing for the division of exactly 1,000 combinations proportionately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 The 2 markets that need the McDavid injection that would benefit the NHL as a whole are; Arizona and Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The part that needs to be fixed is not letting broadcasts drag out the simple announcement of a team name for a dang hour. Especially when they're waiting to drop a puck for a game. I'm glad it's not before 1 of our games. Rather than adding drama they almost put me to sleep. *********************************************** Oilers again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 It's fing pathetic. How can one team get four first overall picks in six drafts? The NHL loses a lot of credibility on this one. As for the Oilers, any success they have going forward is tainted. Any lack of success they have going forward is a joke. They are in a lose lose scenario now. Nobody will ever give them any respect. Not in this generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Oilers again...this league eats checking from behind. Guess they fixed how broken the draft is huh? I'd rather watch a team plummet to a pick. At least it's something I can read. But no, it's the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameter Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 It's fing pathetic. How can one team get four first overall picks in six drafts? The NHL loses a lot of credibility on this one. As for the Oilers, any success they have going forward is tainted. Any lack of success they have going forward is a joke. They are in a lose lose scenario now. Nobody will ever give them any respect. Not in this generation. At least we know the draft isn't fixed. If it was, McDavid would have gone to the states. Poor McDavid looked so crestfallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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