The_People1 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, travel_dude said: And like clockwork, as soon as I post something, Weekes comes out with something interesting.... No eyes for it, but interesting comments (this came out at 11:20pm): Kevin Weekes @KevinWeekes As I’m working the phones, I’m told ; @NHLBruins, @NHLFlames ,@LAKings, @NJDevils are all in Goalie discussions, including some potential 3 way trade scenarios, it’ll be intriguing to see where this lands by deadline time. #HockeyX BOS making Ullmark available? Makes sense if they are going to extend Swayman long term. And bad for the Flames if BOS is coming into the picture to put a G on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, The_People1 said: BOS making Ullmark available? Makes sense if they are going to extend Swayman long term. And bad for the Flames if BOS is coming into the picture to put a G on the market. Yes so either Bosnor Cgy needs to trade a G today while the other stands pat…If one moves and one stays keeps the market good for both teams now and in the summer…if both are available and possibly Nas decides to move throng too it’s gonna be a low return with 3 solid G in the summer…Nas is not moving Staios now, this leaves either Bos or Cgy to make a move now…as of now you have 2 solid G potentially available, if none move then the summer it’s 3. Markstrom is probably the best of the 3 but not by much, not enough to make a team over pay when there are 2 other options. making a move now may be the smartest thing to max return on Markstrom… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 4 hours ago, travel_dude said: Wow, ya beat me. LA Pays 1st and 3rd for Toffee at 50%; about what we paid for him, but he had time remaining. We send a 3rd this year and Markstrom. NJ gets Markstrom, our 3rd, LA 3rd for Toffee. We get Mercer and a 1st. Sounds like LA should pay us something. Alternate: LA sends Turcotte and a 1st to us. We send NJ Markstrom and a 3rd. NJ sends us Toffoli, Mercer. We send Toffoli at 50% to LA. We get Turcotte, Mercer and LA 1st. NJ gets Markstrom and our 3rd. LA gets Toffoli at 50%. Seems fair enough - 1st and Turcotte for Toffoli at 50% Is there any other way of making something like this work but without getting Turcotte? Otherwise it’s good…maybe instead send turcotte and LAs first to NJD for Holtz? so Cgy gets Mercer and Holtz instead…that’s better than the turcotte and LA 1st for Cgy…we kinda need young players more than picks now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulstad Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 holy hell!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 We're still in love with drama are we? Let's trade Markstrom? Because one media hack named Darren Dreger rolled out these nightmare scenarios that must be true? Because, you know, Conroy has no personal access to Markstrom to have a heart-to-heart and clear the air. Or is it that we all see that Markstrom is in a steep decline? We collectively know that past the age of 35 goalies stop training and just kinda stand there? What a fanbase. The volume of hate from the Oilers loss through last year was at 11. Now, guess what, he is a great goalie so let's trade him because we all know for a fact that he's nails one year and is horrible the next? Because with some obscure reasoning that makes sense. So should I, "think of the return", or should I think of how near impossible it is to find a definitive #1 goalie in this league? "Wolf's ready". For what? He's shown zero signs of that in his call ups. But that was likely the team's fault, like it never is for Markstrom, according to fans. If he were to be traded, I'll guarantee I'll spit venom in any, "Markstrom Appreciation Thread". He's been appreciated by this fanbase like I appreciate a doormat for my muddy boots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Just now, Kulstad said: holy hell!! Had to know Guentzel would take a, "back up the truck". So is it both Bunting AND Ponomarev that are ex-Dubas? Not sure what those conditions are, but that 1st needs to be rock solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 9 minutes ago, Kulstad said: holy hell!! You can’t help but feel maybe a Hanifin deal was rushed a bit, you gotta wonder if the return may have been better by waiting till today when teams get desperate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 11 minutes ago, conundrumed said: We're still in love with drama are we? Let's trade Markstrom? Because one media hack named Darren Dreger rolled out these nightmare scenarios that must be true? Because, you know, Conroy has no personal access to Markstrom to have a heart-to-heart and clear the air. Or is it that we all see that Markstrom is in a steep decline? We collectively know that past the age of 35 goalies stop training and just kinda stand there? What a fanbase. The volume of hate from the Oilers loss through last year was at 11. Now, guess what, he is a great goalie so let's trade him because we all know for a fact that he's nails one year and is horrible the next? Because with some obscure reasoning that makes sense. So should I, "think of the return", or should I think of how near impossible it is to find a definitive #1 goalie in this league? "Wolf's ready". For what? He's shown zero signs of that in his call ups. But that was likely the team's fault, like it never is for Markstrom, according to fans. If he were to be traded, I'll guarantee I'll spit venom in any, "Markstrom Appreciation Thread". He's been appreciated by this fanbase like I appreciate a doormat for my muddy boots. It’s this mentality that lest players walk and junk returns… you don’t buy stocks high and sell low in the stock market…same with hockey and the players…they are the stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 4 minutes ago, MP5029 said: It’s this mentality that lest players walk and junk returns… you don’t buy stocks high and sell low in the stock market…same with hockey and the players…they are the stock bs. It's the one not racing to a minimum 5yr basement. Mercer would be more important than Markstrom? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 16 minutes ago, conundrumed said: Had to know Guentzel would take a, "back up the truck". So is it both Bunting AND Ponomarev that are ex-Dubas? Not sure what those conditions are, but that 1st needs to be rock solid. Oof. A 2nd that moves to a 1st in the unlikely event the Canes reach the finals. Guentzel for quantity over quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 27 minutes ago, MP5029 said: You can’t help but feel maybe a Hanifin deal was rushed a bit, you gotta wonder if the return may have been better by waiting till today when teams get desperate That return kinda sucks actually. That 1st is going to be a 2nd is my guess. It is a lot of names though. None of those prospects scream NHLer, though there's some potential. I was mistaken as Ponomarev being drafted by Dubas. But that return looks weak. Bunting the only definitive 3rd line NHLer and likely no 1st rder. Conroy got quality, Dubas went for quantity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 26 minutes ago, conundrumed said: bs. It's the one not racing to a minimum 5yr basement. Mercer would be more important than Markstrom? LOL Saying BS does not discount the fact that it’s the proper way to do things. proof in pudding no cup since 1989, last final appearance 2004 that’s 2 decades ago or in hockey terms that’s the equivalent of 2 rebuilds and not even a consistent contending team… Cgy needs to get emotionally invested holding on to players and get into business mode…this is why teams that expanded have won cups in like 6 years or less, why they are consistently better than Cgy has been since 2004 Tanev, Lindhom and Hanifin were selling low cause they were must moves and positions of weakness… Markstrom is not a must sell, it’s an opportunity to sell high 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, MP5029 said: Saying BS does not discount the fact that it’s the proper way to do things. proof in pudding no cup since 1989, last final appearance 2004 that’s 2 decades ago or in hockey terms that’s the equivalent of 2 rebuilds and not even a consistent contending team… Cgy needs to get emotionally invested holding on to players and get into business mode…this is why teams that expanded have won cups in like 6 years or less, why they are consistently better than Cgy has been since 2004 Tanev, Lindhom and Hanifin were selling low cause they were must moves and positions of weakness… Markstrom is not a must sell, it’s an opportunity to sell high id say the team is too emotionally invested in players. I get part of it is needing to be human. But I bet the new stadium goes further. While other teams Lavish their players in 5⭐️ hotel arena the flames are a 2 ⭐️ motel. its one part. but we always choose a down draft year to do this..:: this is iggy 2.0. Poor draft year. I like Conroy getting stuff for different drafts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 37 minutes ago, conundrumed said: bs. It's the one not racing to a minimum 5yr basement. Mercer would be more important than Markstrom? LOL If we didn’t have Wolf waisting away in the AHL I’d say no he isn’t..but we do have wolf and he has nothing left in the AHL…added to the fact next year he is waiver eligible… yes he hasn’t showed like a lights out NHL goalie yet..key word is yet, give him some consistency with regular starts so he can adjust…no way they make the post season at this point may as well get a solid young Ctr which is a position of need in the coming years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, MP5029 said: Saying BS does not discount the fact that it’s the proper way to do things. proof in pudding no cup since 1989, last final appearance 2004 that’s 2 decades ago or in hockey terms that’s the equivalent of 2 rebuilds and not even a consistent contending team… Cgy needs to get emotionally invested holding on to players and get into business mode…this is why teams that expanded have won cups in like 6 years or less, why they are consistently better than Cgy has been since 2004 Tanev, Lindhom and Hanifin were selling low cause they were must moves and positions of weakness… Markstrom is not a must sell, it’s an opportunity to sell high You mean Vegas? Your stand is based on one outlying season? I'm not going to argue the benefits of keeping/trading Marky but thats a weak foundation to base your reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, robrob74 said: id say the team is too emotionally invested in players. I get part of it is needing to be human. But I bet the new stadium goes further. While other teams Lavish their players in 5⭐️ hotel arena the flames are a 2 ⭐️ motel. its one part. but we always choose a down draft year to do this..:: this is iggy 2.0. Poor draft year. I like Conroy getting stuff for different drafts. This is very true down draft year…last year would have been better, next year better too… however, this year is deep in D so it’s not great for Ctrs but D is an area you can wing big on… I can’t help but feel Cgy is gonna go hard for Tij…the marketing alone fan base is gonna be all in, even if Tij doesn’t become a star he’s still gonna sell tickets for a few years, but he’s definitely gonna be a star he’s trending extremely well..still a bit of a gamble with any draft player but he’s got everything checked to signal he’s a safe bet to be a solid #2 Ctr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: You mean Vegas? Your stand is based on one outlying season? I'm not going to argue the benefits of keeping/trading Marky but thats a weak foundation to base your reasoning. No look at Seattle is arguably better than Cgy right now, Nash is Fla is…take your pick..and LVK’s outliner year was the year they missed I think they have only missed 1 since starting just 6years ago… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: You mean Vegas? Your stand is based on one outlying season? I'm not going to argue the benefits of keeping/trading Marky but thats a weak foundation to base your reasoning. I don't think it's very outlying season. They've been past the first round in every one of their playoffs aside from the one where they got screwed by the league. And they missed the playoffs once. The other times they went to conference finals. I'd say that's a huge success so far and exactly what mp5029 would want. i don't view a rebuild as a guarantee to win the cup. It's hard. What I expect a rebuild to do is get in every year and be a high contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, robrob74 said: I don't think it's very outlying season. They've been past the first round in every one of their playoffs aside from the one where they got screwed by the league. And they missed the playoffs once. The other times they went to conference finals. I'd say that's a huge success so far and exactly what mp5029 would want. i don't view a rebuild as a guarantee to win the cup. It's hard. What I expect a rebuild to do is get in every year and be a high contender. This 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, MP5029 said: This is very true down draft year…last year would have been better, next year better too… however, this year is deep in D so it’s not great for Ctrs but D is an area you can wing big on… I can’t help but feel Cgy is gonna go hard for Tij…the marketing alone fan base is gonna be all in, even if Tij doesn’t become a star he’s still gonna sell tickets for a few years, but he’s definitely gonna be a star he’s trending extremely well..still a bit of a gamble with any draft player but he’s got everything checked to signal he’s a safe bet to be a solid #2 Ctr I want them to go for Tij if he's the right target or "BPA" if it was any other player in any other circumstance. Tij for marketing and emotion has the chance of setting the team back further if he isn't what everyone thinks he is. Going emotional can kill the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberg Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, conundrumed said: We're still in love with drama are we? Let's trade Markstrom? Because one media hack named Darren Dreger rolled out these nightmare scenarios that must be true? Because, you know, Conroy has no personal access to Markstrom to have a heart-to-heart and clear the air. Or is it that we all see that Markstrom is in a steep decline? We collectively know that past the age of 35 goalies stop training and just kinda stand there? What a fanbase. The volume of hate from the Oilers loss through last year was at 11. Now, guess what, he is a great goalie so let's trade him because we all know for a fact that he's nails one year and is horrible the next? Because with some obscure reasoning that makes sense. So should I, "think of the return", or should I think of how near impossible it is to find a definitive #1 goalie in this league? "Wolf's ready". For what? He's shown zero signs of that in his call ups. But that was likely the team's fault, like it never is for Markstrom, according to fans. If he were to be traded, I'll guarantee I'll spit venom in any, "Markstrom Appreciation Thread". He's been appreciated by this fanbase like I appreciate a doormat for my muddy boots. All your points are valid, for the most part Markstrom has been great for the Flames and is top-of-his-game atm. That being said, there are a couple issues you forgot to mention. First he is only signed for 2 more years and likely will be spent, or not here once the building is complete and the Flames re-enter serious competitive window. Currently at his peak value he can return serious value if traded now. The Flames have had an untenable goalie situation all year, which will continue if a goalie trade is not made. Wolf MAY not be the answer, but he has killed it up till now and the Flames did not get him into a backup role this season so he can earn a spot, and no trades that will continue next season. It is time to SOGOTP and bring Wolf in full-time as back-up. He is the future, and languishing on the Wranglers, in order to enjoy a few more, likely futile wins with peak Markstrom is selfish and detrimental to the Flames. The time has come. Trade Markstrom NOW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Man the schedule is just not in Cgy’s favour…I don’t see one of the teams that the could possibly catch on the schedule so they need to hope they loose but most of them are winning too… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, robrob74 said: Guess the Flames are done for the deadline? Any word on anything else going down? It sounds quiet. I don't expect the Flames to do anything major today but be surprised if they did nothing. Really does not sound like Markstrom will get moved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 20 minutes ago, MP5029 said: Saying BS does not discount the fact that it’s the proper way to do things. Not to be offensive, but if anyone knew the proper way to do things, they'd be worth 1,000 times their weight in gold. Instability at goal, we're watching it with NJ, Toronto, Carolina etc. Maybe we should trade stabilities? We already picked NJ the proper way. Take the guy that needs a chance. Mercer and Holtz get nothing but chances. We literally already ripped them off for that guy. We should wait and see if that's a trend. Maybe our scouting team is really nailing it for Conroy on finding players that need chances? I'm willing to make that bet. Never heard of Grushnikov? Me neither. But I'm willing to bet a Flames scout not only knew of him, but got a 2nd scout to audit, then they told Conroy he's a hidden gem that needs to be targeted. Start with Stankoven, but your real intention is Grushnikov. Let the other GM think that he really put you through the grinder. That's just me surmising, but I doubt that I'm far from the truth. Professional bullSatoshi Nakamototers. I'd imagine the Toffoli trade ended with, "look, I think I'm giving you more than a good enough player for Mercer, but I'll settle on Sharangovich, but I want your 2nd this year. You're killing me, man. Alright, a 3rd". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, cross16 said: It sounds quiet. I don't expect the Flames to do anything major today but be surprised if they did nothing. Really does not sound like Markstrom will get moved I don’t think he moves either…he should but I don’t think he will. I’m wondering about Kylington and Manji mostly. Is there a contender looking for a. LW? it’s a tough call, Manji has been ramping up as of late, playing well..the team as a whole has really improved and impressed…but youth seems to be the name of the game…and the window is at least 2 years out so anyone on a 2-3 contract term should be considered to be moved…But not for picks, Cgy has enough of those what they need is young players who are NHL ready and have not peaked yet…they be had to get but they are what is needed now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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