Thebrewcrew Posted June 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Ya but injuries. Chabot hasn't played a full season so he averages more like 55 to 60-points over 82-games. Availability is a skill. He makes more than Hanifin and will miss around 20 games a year. Good player, but not one i think the Flames should pursue IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Thebrewcrew said: Availability is a skill. He makes more than Hanifin and will miss around 20 games a year. Good player, but not one i think the Flames should pursue IMO We were lucky with injuries last year. Is Tanev any less likely to miss a bunch of time? He was never a full season guy before. If he has repetetive injuries of the same body parts, then stay away. Otherwise, they are accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, travel_dude said: We were lucky with injuries last year. Is Tanev any less likely to miss a bunch of time? He was never a full season guy before. If he has repetetive injuries of the same body parts, then stay away. Otherwise, they are accidents. Tanev was a gamble, but it was for far less money and it didn’t cost significant assets. Ottawa will ask for a lot in a Chabot deal. Which is why it’s not something I think they Flames should do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, sak22 said: Which should also be a cause for concern. 55 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: Availability is a skill. He makes more than Hanifin and will miss around 20 games a year. Good player, but not one i think the Flames should pursue IMO 52 minutes ago, travel_dude said: We were lucky with injuries last year. Is Tanev any less likely to miss a bunch of time? He was never a full season guy before. If he has repetetive injuries of the same body parts, then stay away. Otherwise, they are accidents. Yes injuries are a concern. But hope they are not major hip surgery like Monahan. Like TD said Tanev was available because Canucks didn't believe he can stay healthy. Maybe OTT has Chabot available for the same reason and that presents an opportunity for us. Heiskanen has been injured a lot recently and never past 40-points in a season but he's a stud #1 LD. But no way Heiskanen is available or else we should all in on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Like TD said Tanev was available because Canucks didn't believe he can stay healthy. Maybe OTT has Chabot available for the same reason and that presents an opportunity for us. Heiskanen has been injured a lot recently and never past 40-points in a season but he's a stud #1 LD. But no way Heiskanen is available or else we should all in on him. I just don’t see Ottawa considering moving Chabot unless BT is offering a Lindholm or Tkachuk. Because they are incredibly thin on the blueline. They’re a team that will be eying a playoff spot with Boston, Washington and Pittsburgh aging. If BT could get him for a reasonable price, that’s one thing. But paying a significant price is another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said: I just don’t see Ottawa considering moving Chabot unless BT is offering a Lindholm or Tkachuk. Because they are incredibly thin on the blueline. They’re a team that will be eying a playoff spot with Boston, Washington and Pittsburgh aging. If BT could get him for a reasonable price, that’s one thing. But paying a significant price is another Yes, that was exactly the suggestion. Tkachuk for Chabot. No way OTT considers moving Chabot but only because of the unique situation of the Tkachuk brothers and OTT has Jake Sanderson as future #1 LD. There's no way we get Chabot short of Tkachuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 hours ago, travel_dude said: We were lucky with injuries last year. Is Tanev any less likely to miss a bunch of time? He was never a full season guy before. If he has repetetive injuries of the same body parts, then stay away. Otherwise, they are accidents. id add to your argument, which he never had a full season with the Canucks being a big reason for not re-signing him. But without Tanev, they’re a lot further from the playoffs. my only reason for not liking the signing was his injury history, other than that, I hated playing against him, and once we got him It was a lot clearer why I didn’t like it. He’s been our best D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, The_People1 said: Yes, that was exactly the suggestion. Tkachuk for Chabot. No way OTT considers moving Chabot but only because of the unique situation of the Tkachuk brothers and OTT has Jake Sanderson as future #1 LD. There's no way we get Chabot short of Tkachuk. i would do Tkachuk for Sanderson. play Sanderson with Tanev when Tanev gets healthy. Tanev is the rookie whisperer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 Why is everyone trading Tkachuk? Not understanding and not agreeing whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, robrob74 said: id add to your argument, which he never had a full season with the Canucks being a big reason for not re-signing him. But without Tanev, they’re a lot further from the playoffs. my only reason for not liking the signing was his injury history, other than that, I hated playing against him, and once we got him It was a lot clearer why I didn’t like it. He’s been our best D. Yes to the above. I was converned about going from a steady Eddy (TJ) to Car Crash Kenny. I was okay with 60 games of Tanev though. Not 82, then 9 out of 12. Much longer runway to work with in the season. And yes, Hughes was exactly why I knew he would be that good with us. The Nucks made so many bad decisions, I wouldn't say they let Tanev go because of injury. They had more expensive problems that Benning was making mistakes on. They went backwards in nets because they were afraid of losing Markstrom or Demko for nothing. Good teams know how to solve those problems. Nothing against Demko. He's great. Back to the summer at hand. Chabot instead of Hanifin or Kylington. One has to go. Hanifin's salary closer to $8M, so it helps balance it out. No to Tkachuk for Chabot. Hanifin, Dube + for Chabot, then we are talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, conundrumed said: Why is everyone trading Tkachuk? Not understanding and not agreeing whatsoever. I think many believe IF it comes down to him or JG then he's the odd man out. We saw how a one dimensional team exposed some shortcomings and basically youre not going to fix it with a couple $3-5 mil signings. You gotta sell pieces to get pieces and with the cap only going up $1mil theres belief paying both your top guys what you think the market will demand will leave nothing to address any shortcomings in other places. I couldnt be arsed to do the mathematical gymnastics when it comes to salalry in salary out stuff but I'm sure you could sign almost everyone in under the cap but does that make you any better? I think I started the Chabot/Senators thought train but there was a big IF in that post also. Its been a while since off season re-signings have been such a big deal for the team, I dont think anybody really knows what to expect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, robrob74 said: i would do Tkachuk for Sanderson. play Sanderson with Tanev when Tanev gets healthy. Tanev is the rookie whisperer. No we need to win the Cup next season, not in 3 years when Sanderson is ready to dominate. The Sens, on the other hand, have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, conundrumed said: Why is everyone trading Tkachuk? Not understanding and not agreeing whatsoever. In a perfect world, we do not trade Tkachuk and still get our #1 LD and a second line Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames for life Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, The_People1 said: In a perfect world, we do not trade Tkachuk and still get our #1 LD and a second line Center. I’m still not sold on trading Tkachuk or anyone else for a very overpriced player, imo, or a slightly better player on the hopes of a gamble. Cohabit and Chykryn both fit these concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, flames for life said: I’m still not sold on trading Tkachuk or anyone else for a very overpriced player, imo, or a slightly better player on the hopes of a gamble. Cohabit and Chykryn both fit these concerns. At the same breathe, Tkachuk is about to be very overpriced. Again, perfect world is we get that #1 LD while keeping Tkachuk. If that trade is out there then let's make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, flames for life said: I’m still not sold on trading Tkachuk or anyone else for a very overpriced player, imo, or a slightly better player on the hopes of a gamble. Cohabit and Chykryn both fit these concerns. I’m with you in this one! 100% agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, flames for life said: I’m still not sold on trading Tkachuk or anyone else for a very overpriced player, imo, or a slightly better player on the hopes of a gamble. Cohabit and Chykryn both fit these concerns. I’m with you in this one! 100% agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 As much as people hate this, we need to come to a reality that Gaudreau’s rights will probably be traded to Phi or NJD…so with that in mind I think we see Manji on the 1st line with Lindholm and Tachuck .Trade Backlund to free up space. Monahan and Toffoil will make up the Ctr and RW on the second line. I think Lewis is back and Calle is back too…plus Pelletier and maybe Ruzi are elevated to regular status: Manji/Lindholm/Tachuck Pelletirer/Monahan/Toffoil Coleman/Calle/Dube Lucic/Lewis or Ruzi/Lewis or… that’s not a bad lineup…with very few changes….and all that without any possible upgrades from trading Backlund and Gaudreau’s rights… I think Big Z resigns MacKey or Valimaki is elevated to a regular slot as far as D goes, I think it will come Down to Hanifin + either MacKey or Valimaki to land a #1D…if nothing is available I see Cgy just sticks it out…maybe gunny re-ups or is replaced and I could see Stone back in the same role and $. Hafifin/Anderson Killington/Tanev Makey or Valimaki/ stone all and all, a few changes but for the most part the team stays fully intact with only 2 players moved…maybe 3 if Gunny doesn’t re-up. It’s also cap friendly and has the potential to have either a few 1st rounders or the addition of a highly skilled prospect or a solid NHL regular from those other trades… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames for life Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, The_People1 said: At the same breathe, Tkachuk is about to be very overpriced. Again, perfect world is we get that #1 LD while keeping Tkachuk. If that trade is out there then let's make it. I guess this comes down to defining what overpriced is, and our confidence in BT to manage it. The one area that BT has been really consistent is getting solid and mutually beneficial contracts; logical and realistic. I expect nothing less. At the same token, I don’t think it’s in his or anybody else’s best interest to “sell the farm” to acquire players that may or may not improve the team slightly. My greatest headache when reading the opinions on the messages here is that too many people minimize the quality of our players, and amplify the value of other team’s players. I usually read numbers for trading as 3 of us for the price of one of theirs. Again, given the players, not reasonable, unless we were trading for Makar, or someone of such great skill, it merits the trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, flames for life said: I guess this comes down to defining what overpriced is, and our confidence in BT to manage it. The one area that BT has been really consistent is getting solid and mutually beneficial contracts; logical and realistic. I expect nothing less. At the same token, I don’t think it’s in his or anybody else’s best interest to “sell the farm” to acquire players that may or may not improve the team slightly. My greatest headache when reading the opinions on the messages here is that too many people minimize the quality of our players, and amplify the value of other team’s players. I usually read numbers for trading as 3 of us for the price of one of theirs. Again, given the players, not reasonable, unless we were trading for Makar, or someone of such great skill, it merits the trade. I agree in this. The reality in this league is you have to get better via the draft and you need quality on ELCs to have an impact. Trades can work, but it's been proven time and again that you can't just get the best players and expect it to work, Vegas being the latest example. Looking at the Cup finalists, pretty much all of their best players were acquired at drafts. Their trades have been acquiring support pieces. Our best pieces came via draft, Lindholm was a great trade piece, as was Hanifin, but after that there are a bunch of scattered misses. Good signings in Markstrom and Tanev, but they're also offset by bad signings. We're having a rough time drafting D, with Andersson being the exception and not the rule. Kyl to a lesser extent. I'm hopeful we'll have useful, cheap-for-now players next season in Rozie & Pelletier. I really hope Valimaki sees the writing on the wall that the spot it his to take. Kerins 1st year of pro will be interesting, as will seeing how Zary progresses. Duehr's another one. It's all about patience for me. I hear a lot of "not impressed" chatter re young prospects but the reality is they're still growing and it's not about the season they're having as much as the off-season regiment. Kylington is a decent example. Each player has a different timeline on when they morph to the next level. Once that happens, they get a much better understanding of where they are and what they have to do to get to the next plateau. This is why I believe Kylington will progress, and Rozie should too. So that's my offseason. We don't need trades, we need progress. Well, and signings of course. I'll call it right now, Pelletier is going to kill it. He'll need a LW spot. Such a smart player, solid individual and we're going to love him. Growth from within is the most important aspect of every team imo. Trade chatter is just that, chatter. It can be white noise often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 11 hours ago, conundrumed said: Why is everyone trading Tkachuk? Not understanding and not agreeing whatsoever. Agreed. It's a lot of plugging 1 hole by creating another one type of proposals too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, cross16 said: Agreed. It's a lot of plugging 1 hole by creating another one type of proposals too. The Center hole is bigger than a Winger hole. That sounded dirty, but you get the point. Wing-holes are easier to fill than C-holes. Oops, did it again... We need to be stronger down the middle! ... I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, cross16 said: Agreed. It's a lot of plugging 1 hole by creating another one type of proposals too. I can see what people get aggravated by with some of his play, but he's not replaceable. His style of play definitely doesn't grow on trees and it's needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, conundrumed said: It's all about patience for me. I hear a lot of "not impressed" chatter re young prospects but the reality is they're still growing and it's not about the season they're having as much as the off-season regiment. Kylington is a decent example. Each player has a different timeline on when they morph to the next level. Once that happens, they get a much better understanding of where they are and what they have to do to get to the next plateau. This is a bit of an aside, but I am waiting to see two players on the Heat roster next season. Kuz and Poirier. Apparently, Poirier has improved his defensive game. He has been lighting up the Q already. If he can progress in the AHL, we might have something. Kuz is a big steady guy, not flashy but supposedly good defensively. Am I the only one that sees two gingers that look similar? Poirier and Commodore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, LouCifer said: The Center hole is bigger than a Winger hole. That sounded dirty, but you get the point. Wing-holes are easier to fill than C-holes. Oops, did it again... We need to be stronger down the middle! ... I give up. And as it works in any trade if you can move someone and get better by all means, but so far i'm not really seeing much of that in the desire to move Tkachuk. Tkachuk is an top end talent so unless you are getting that in return I don't think you are getting better by moving him position value or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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