Sarasti Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, JTech780 said: It would be nice to get one of these value deals. That is a great deal for a guy that can fit nicely as a 6/7 dman. Good signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted October 10, 2020 Report Share Posted October 10, 2020 Ok. I’ve digested the Tanev signing a bit. For the past couple of years I’ve griped about our defensive zone play. Tanev is a physical D that wins board battles and is a dog on a bone type. He may actually be what I’ve been calling for all this time. I’m going to ignore the fancy stats at this time and welcome him aboard. We’re passionate fans here, and we want the team to do well, and I wish Tanev all the best here. Welcome to the C of Red Tanev! Looking forward to having you run Satoshi Nakamoto in our D zone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 6 hours ago, phoenix66 said: But again you're comparing Brodie to Tanev. The 2 transactions have 0 to do with each other Yes when comparing the two, we downgraded D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Where Tyler Johnson was waived and can be parked in the AHL, I wonder if we could make a deal for him. Not at full salary, but a minor amount retained. Say 3.5m + 1.5m retained. Even 1.0m retained. Nothing major incolved from our end. They were willing to give him up for nothing. Gives us a potential 3rd line of Dube-Bennett-TJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Sarasti said: Kylington has the skating ability to play the right side. Ya but not the brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, JTech780 said: It would be nice to get one of these value deals. This is what we should've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Yes when comparing the two, we downgraded D. Nope.... Tanev >Hamonic. That is your comparison. We upgraded Andersson pushed Brodie out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarasti Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Ya but not the brains. Kinda hard to debate that in the very limited time we've seen him play. Brodie was pretty rough around the edges early on in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Yes when comparing the two, we downgraded D. Different styles... Different strengths and weaknesses... They let a Chevy truck go and and got a Dodge instead... Try and think of Tanev as another piece of the puzzle with a different purpose and not a replacement for Brodie... Hamonic is gone, and I think that is for the best... Maybe we can try and give Treliving a little time to see what he might park in the driveway next... If it doesn't work out, I'll be as pissed off as anyone else. but it's still to early for the pitchfork and scythe mob... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Nope.... Tanev >Hamonic. That is your comparison. We upgraded Andersson pushed Brodie out I agree Tanev >Hamonic I disagree Anderson pushes Brodie out, I think it was more the fans for the heat he took the year before, he wanted out 😞 mostly for being under appreciated which sadly I get but I had always support him so I’m very sad he’s gone...plus Valimaki-Anderson would have been amazing Gio-Brodie Hanifin-Tanev Valimaki-Anderson that’s an amazingly deep blue line with the 3rd pair being the succession plan for the top line...best part is you could balance the ice time between all pairs without worry... I think the issue is we do have a few guys to give a chance and earn NHL experience namely I think Yeltsin on the Rd and also Kylington who is a smooth skater can play both L/R easily yes Anderson has also become amazing too, if Kylington and Yeltsin do well And Valimaki keep comingalon, we could very well see Gio going next Meaning I think they are looking to phase out the old o the d side as it was getting long in the tooth... also puts the Fwd group on notice that they are next, in a year or two...unless they figure out how to play tough jsut a thought process I can see that act makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, sak22 said: Between the economics and the lack of courting period it's not surprising, most big names made their minds up before July 1. Between the lack of the expected and typical increase of the the cap and no revenue from selling seats, the league is in uncharted waters... It was a whole different world for free agency this year... 3 hours ago, sak22 said: Still some dominos to fall in terms of the top wingers + the biggest fish of all. I am still hoping that a couple of those dominos fall and end up playing for the Flames this season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyflames Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 We still can’t win our playoff with our top line, they are just not dangerous to other team. We don’t have QB on power play. I hope our GM sees that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Jan Rutta on a 1 year $1m deal would be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 hours ago, JTech780 said: As the initial shock of the Tanev signing wears off, I am starting to warm to the idea of him playing in Calgary. Don't get me wrong the contract is atrocious, that being said I do think he brings an element missing from this D core. He does bring some of that warrior spirit to the back end (I can hear your collective eyes rolling). He is elite at winning board battles, and exiting his own zone. He will make us tougher to play against. I do think that is an element that gets missed in the analytic models. Adding to the analytic side of things, I do think Chris Snow and his group do a great job with the analytics and they do look at things differently than a lot of the public models out there. As an AGM I would think Snow would have had a big say in Tanev. There are legit concerns, there is no way to get around it, but I do think he does bring a needed element to the back end. 25 minutes ago, lou44291 said: Ok. I’ve digested the Tanev signing a bit. For the past couple of years I’ve griped about our defensive zone play. Tanev is a physical D that wins board battles and is a dog on a bone type. He may actually be what I’ve been calling for all this time. I’m going to ignore the fancy stats at this time and welcome him aboard. We’re passionate fans here, and we want the team to do well, and I wish Tanev all the best here. Welcome to the C of Red Tanev! Looking forward to having you run Satoshi Nakamoto in our D zone! Its not all Chocolate Cake out there (as Bob Hartley would say), someone needs to do the hard work in the Dzone. We need to win more battles in the Dzone, and that is what Tanev has been brought here to do. I like the add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 49 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Nope.... Tanev >Hamonic. That is your comparison. We upgraded Andersson pushed Brodie out We need to improve from the play-in/playoffs. Hamonic was never there. Can't count him. We obviously went from Brodie to Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, MP5029 said: I agree Tanev >Hamonic I disagree Anderson pushes Brodie out, I think it was more the fans for the heat he took the year before, he wanted out 😞 mostly for being under appreciated which sadly I get but I had always support him so I’m very sad he’s gone...plus Valimaki-Anderson would have been amazing Gio-Brodie Hanifin-Tanev Valimaki-Anderson that’s an amazingly deep blue line with the 3rd pair being the succession plan for the top line...best part is you could balance the ice time between all pairs without worry... I think the issue is we do have a few guys to give a chance and earn NHL experience namely I think Yeltsin on the Rd and also Kylington who is a smooth skater can play both L/R easily yes Anderson has also become amazing too, if Kylington and Yeltsin do well And Valimaki keep comingalon, we could very well see Gio going next Meaning I think they are looking to phase out the old o the d side as it was getting long in the tooth... also puts the Fwd group on notice that they are next, in a year or two...unless they figure out how to play tough jsut a thought process I can see that act makes sense If Brodie thinks our fans are tough, wait till he gets to TO. Fans never drove Brodie out of town, he wanted to take his family closer to home. I believe the majority of fans in this city appreciated Brodie, excluding the ignorant. Brodie kept Calgary in his back pocket, right up until he was comfortable with the deal TO gave him then he left. BT was ready to match that deal but Brodie gone. Enter Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 53 minutes ago, The_People1 said: We need to improve from the play-in/playoffs. Hamonic was never there. Can't count him. We obviously went from Brodie to Tanev. Horse Satoshi... But you are right on one thing, Hamonic was out... By his own personal choice, he chose not to show up... and I won't miss him either... So either way that we all might try and look at it, Hamonic still needed to be replaced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 What is Mang going to cost us? He is going to arbitration, what range of deal can they award him? In worst case scenario, what can we walk away from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarasti Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, The_People1 said: We need to improve from the play-in/playoffs. Hamonic was never there. Can't count him. We obviously went from Brodie to Tanev. Brodie and Andersson were our best D in return to play. I think its fair to say Andersson slots in quite nicely as a Brodie replacement and Tanev replaces Hamonic as Hanifins usual partner. I may be one of the few here who genuinely likes the Tanev signing as I think he's the type of player a winning team needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 With Krug signing in STL, one would have to think BOS enters onto the AP sweepstakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, Carty said: Horse Satoshi... But you are right on one thing, Hamonic was out... By his own personal choice, he chose not to show up... and I won't miss him either... So either way that we all might try and look at it, Hamonic still needed to be replaced... 14 minutes ago, Sarasti said: Brodie and Andersson were our best D in return to play. I think its fair to say Andersson slots in quite nicely as a Brodie replacement and Tanev replaces Hamonic as Hanifins usual partner. I may be one of the few here who genuinely likes the Tanev signing as I think he's the type of player a winning team needs. Who cares about the March-team when the Play-in-team wasn't good enough? How do we improve on the Play-in team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarasti Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Who cares about the March-team when the Play-in-team wasn't good enough? How do we improve on the Play-in team? Andersson and Tanev is an improvement over Brodie and Forbort if you want to use that logic. Markstrom and Rittich is an improvement over Rittich and Talbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarasti Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, CheersMan said: With Krug signing in STL, one would have to think BOS enters onto the AP sweepstakes. My thoughts as well. Hed slot in on that blue line really nicely if im being honest. With Charas career coming to an end, he'd be a great mentor for McAvoy and Carlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sarasti said: Andersson and Tanev is an improvement over Brodie and Forbort if you want to use that logic. Markstrom and Rittich is an improvement over Rittich and Talbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, CheersMan said: What is Mang going to cost us? He is going to arbitration, what range of deal can they award him? In worst case scenario, what can we walk away from? depends on term. 4.5 mill (and change) is the walk away number so anything less and the flames are stuck with it. Best to avoid this arb case. If I was guessing I would guess they settle on a 2 year deal for little less than 3 mill AAV. Somewhere between 2.5 and 2.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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