MAC331 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Haven't heard if Detroit was protecting Howard or Mrazek. Howard has a M-NTC so I think he is automatically selectable by Vegas if not protected. Not sure what Vegas would benefit by trading Mrazek. If they protect Mrazek, then they lose a good player, not Howard. If they protect Howard and don't trade him, they lose Mrazek. If they protect Howard and trade Mrazek, they still lose a good player. Don't you think most of these lists will have any and all expensive contracts they don't necessarily want on the unprotected list ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Carty said: I sure hope that Treliving works a deal for an upgrade in the next 3 1\2 hours before the freeze... The Flames have a unique advantage of being able to protect a goalie if they trade for one... There are only a few good choices left since Bishop and Darling are out of the picture, and there are a few other teams also looking for a goalie... I just don't see the cost being any less after the expansion draft when other teams are also going to be able to bid on the best goaltenders... I don't believe after MAF that there is any upgrade to Elliott really available. None of the other names being thrown about strike me as an upgrade and none have the experience with our system that Elliott has. I am almost of the opinion we saw BT best shot at fixing the goaltending here last year. He let this seasons Darling and Bishop chance slip by, and it looks like we are not in MAF either. I expect a 1a/1b type tandem again this coming season with hopes 1 will step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Friedman reporting the Flames are working on a Smith deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, MAC331 said: Don't you think most of these lists will have any and all expensive contracts they don't necessarily want on the unprotected list ? Check out the expansion tool and figure out which D-man they are going to lose. A young one or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Sabres signed Ullmark to a backup worthy contract. Lehner - RFA, 59GP, age 25, 3.1 mil last year Nilsson - UFA, 26GP, age 26, 1.0 mil last year Both free agents had almost identical GAA and SV%. Of course depending on what happens in the next little while, I'm not totally opposed to having Lehner starting or Nilsson as a back up. If anything Vegas will take Lehner as a bargaining chip. The options are getting shorter and any deals from Vegas wont be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: Friedman reporting the Flames are working on a Smith deal I really hope not. 5 mil for a 35 year old with equal if not worse numbers than the current tandem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: I really hope not. 5 mil for a 35 year old with equal if not worse numbers than the current tandem? I was hoping for a younger guy, but if anything it shows BT is committed to Rittich/Parsons/Gillies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: I really hope not. 5 mil for a 35 year old with equal if not worse numbers than the current tandem? Obviously not my first choice, but I do agree its an upgrade on the #1 spot... the key now is going to be what #2 looks like ,not sure you go with Johnson .. this is where you slide in a 1b. Assuming the cost is low, now you can take a serious run at getting Raanta from LV when they take him. Saw a game in Phoenix last year , due to cheap tickets I was right up close to Smith.. granted it was against Vancouver , but he shut them out .. he definitely doesn't move like a 35 yr old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Brandon Hickey could be part of the return according to Mckenzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Obviously not my first choice, but I do agree its an upgrade on the #1 spot... the key now is going to be what #2 looks like ,not sure you go with Johnson .. this is where you slide in a 1b. Assuming the cost is low, now you can take a serious run at getting Raanta from LV when they take him. Saw a game in Phoenix last year , due to cheap tickets I was right up close to Smith.. granted it was against Vancouver , but he shut them out .. he definitely doesn't move like a 35 yr old Its a bit of a upgrade, but mike smith hasent exactly had great seasons the past few years obviously being in arizona has not helped that. But I would hope we arent giving up a ton for a 35 year old making that much a year, if anything maybe we get something coming with mike smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Obviously not my first choice, but I do agree its an upgrade on the #1 spot... the key now is going to be what #2 looks like ,not sure you go with Johnson .. this is where you slide in a 1b I still dont see it as an upgrade. Vaguely comparable numbers, 5 mil, plus losing whomever goes the other way. Not liking this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: I still dont see it as an upgrade. Vaguely comparable numbers, 5 mil, plus losing whomever goes the other way. Not liking this at all. It really doesnt make sense in my opinion, unless arizona is asking us to take him off their hands, I dont see him as a huge upgrade on elliott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 I don't like the idea of losing Brandon Hickey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flames-fan-in-jets-land Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 1 minute ago, AlbertaBoy12 said: It really doesnt make sense in my opinion, unless arizona is asking us to take him off their hands, I dont see him as a huge upgrade on elliott. Smith and Duclair for Brouwer and bouma/stajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: Smith and Duclair for Brouwer and bouma/stajan bob mckenzie reporting ari retains 25% of smith for hickey and conditional 3rd rounder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 On 5/25/2017 at 11:25 AM, cross16 said: Lets's not forget about the Chart Cross posted a while back...even if its only in the Consistency department , Id call it a huge upgrade .. not saying he's a saviour but he should make us stop wondering what performance we are going to get on a nightly basis .Typically you have to earn your goals on him He put up Great numbers , on a VERY bad team .. carried a 55 game load .. again , now its a question of who you put behind him.. you have your 2 year stop gap.. now you need the insurance guy ./.Raanta, Grubauer...etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, AlbertaBoy12 said: Apparantly bob mckenzie reporting ari retains 25% of smith for hickey and conditional 3rd rounder.... Sounds like a done deal just awaiting league approval. BTW, I started a thread to keep track of non Flames related pre ED trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Interesting .. so he must have something up his sleeve for the #2... ARZ also needed a goalie back in return to not expose Domingue.. and Elliot's rights would have triggered the 3rd rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 To keep Hickey we could've just signed Elliott, and still gave up the 3rd rounder. I don't know if I like this deal? sounds like the deal Lando made with Vader in Empire, "this deal just keeps getting worse." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, robrob74 said: To keep Hickey we could've just signed Elliott. I don't know if I like this deal? In the Big picture .. its Smith for a conditional 3rd and Ari retains salary If we really want Johnson that badly we can still just sign him again Hickey, to be honest .. isn't overwhelming me.. he's shaping as a 3rd pair guy .. and he's also going to his 4th year , no guarantee of signing him ..I think he was deeper down the depth chart of the guys we have . That year he made the World Juniors he did not impress me at all. Heck, we can still sign Elliot too if we want a vet tandem. if it does roll down that we have a deal with Vegas for Raanta or Grubauer? we'll have an amazing tandem next year .. no, I like it ... again wasnt my first choice, but I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: In the Big picture .. its Smith for a conditional 3rd and Ari retains salary If we really want Johnson that badly we can still just sign him again Hickey, to be honest .. isn't overwhelming me.. he's shaping as a 3rd pair guy .. and he's also going to his 4th year , no guarantee of signing him ..I think he was deeper down the depth chart of the guys we have . That year he made the World Juniors he did not impress me at all. But he was a stable D during the juniors? I think it's poor asset management. I guess at least it isn't a 1st? If Hickey was re-drafted, would he be a 2nd rounder? So it's a, whatever Hickey is worth, plus the 3rd (maybe a 2nd), for Smith. i was interested in seeing what Hickey could turn out to be... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, robrob74 said: But he was a stable D during the juniors? I think it's poor asset management. I guess at least it isn't a 1st? If Hickey was re-drafted, would he be a 2nd rounder? So it's a, whatever Hickey is worth, plus the 3rd (maybe a 2nd), for Smith. i was interested in seeing what Hickey could turn out to be... I agree. I dont like the deal that much, hickey and a 2nd rounder for smith basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 This is a very poor trade. I do think Smith is an upgrade but at 35 years old and you gave up a very good D prospect and potentially a 2nd rounder only if they make the playoffs? you just gambled a ton in trade and salary on an aging goalie. Not good.... hope I'm wrong but this really looks like the flames panicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Just now, AlbertaBoy12 said: I agree. I dont like the deal that much, hickey and a 2nd rounder for smith basically. I'll wait to see how part 2 pans out.. as I mentioned before, if theyre walking away from Johnson? BT already has a plan for backup (or just resign Johnson in UFA) And I really have to wonder if BT knows something about their ability to sign Hickey without him testing UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Smith is a legit number 1, very good goalie on a very bad team. I love his compete, he very much is a goalie that hates to lose and hates to get scored on. He is going to hold his defense accountable. I hate losing Hickey, but maybe he has told Calgary that he doesn't plan to sign, which drastically changed the look of this trade. The 2nd will hurt, but we also are saving about $1.5m/year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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