JTech780 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Lets put an offer in for Mrazek. $1.8M would cost us our 3rd round pick. We would have to go to a place Detroit isn't willing to follow. I am fine with the idea of offer sheeting Mrazek if he is eligible for it. We would have to go to $6.5m to $7.3m to try and sign him, but even then Detroit would probably match. I am willing to give up a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd for Mrazek. He is young and one of the better goalies in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think you can blame the goalie when you lose a game 2-1 with one of those 2 a power play goal. That's because everyone else isn't scoring enough. Since his callup Ortio's save % (GA) by game is: 0.920 (2GA) 0.800 (5GA) 0.941 (2GA) 0.946 (2GA) He did come in for half of the Anaheim game on the 15th of Feb and only had a 0.818 (2 goals on 11 shots), but did so in relief of Hiller who has a 0.765 (4 goals on 17 shots) When you have a 0.92+ with 2GA in 3 games and lose all three, the problem isn't the goalie. Yes, his 3rd period meltdown against Ottawa cost us that game. But on the whole, he's putting up good numbers in a small sample. Sending him down at this point is utterly illogical. If he can manage the same for another dozen games of the season, then we have a very interesting goalie option next year with an affordable contract. Yes, he's week top corner, but every goalie has a particular weakness that gets exploited. Unless games like the one against OTT become the norm, I don't worry to much about that. And we do have a goalie coach for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymo Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think you can blame the goalie when you lose a game 2-1 with one of those 2 a power play goal. That's because everyone else isn't scoring enough. Since his callup Ortio's save % (GA) by game is: 0.920 (2GA) 0.800 (5GA) 0.941 (2GA) 0.946 (2GA) He did come in for half of the Anaheim game on the 15th of Feb and only had a 0.818 (2 goals on 11 shots), but did so in relief of Hiller who has a 0.765 (4 goals on 17 shots) When you have a 0.92+ with 2GA in 3 games and lose all three, the problem isn't the goalie. Yes, his 3rd period meltdown against Ottawa cost us that game. But on the whole, he's putting up good numbers in a small sample. Sending him down at this point is utterly illogical. If he can manage the same for another dozen games of the season, then we have a very interesting goalie option next year with an affordable contract. Yes, he's week top corner, but every goalie has a particular weakness that gets exploited. Unless games like the one against OTT become the norm, I don't worry to much about that. And we do have a goalie coach for a reason. He is an emergency call up. He has to go down. The decision is then whether we use one of our 3 recalls, carrying 3 goalies when we have a bare roster and 20 games to play. I think with our goalie situation, if the decision has not been made as to whether he is qualified, he should be recalled. But we will see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krule Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I don't think you can blame the goalie when you lose a game 2-1 with one of those 2 a power play goal. That's because everyone else isn't scoring enough. Since his callup Ortio's save % (GA) by game is: 0.920 (2GA) 0.800 (5GA) 0.941 (2GA) 0.946 (2GA) He did come in for half of the Anaheim game on the 15th of Feb and only had a 0.818 (2 goals on 11 shots), but did so in relief of Hiller who has a 0.765 (4 goals on 17 shots) When you have a 0.92+ with 2GA in 3 games and lose all three, the problem isn't the goalie. Yes, his 3rd period meltdown against Ottawa cost us that game. But on the whole, he's putting up good numbers in a small sample. Sending him down at this point is utterly illogical. If he can manage the same for another dozen games of the season, then we have a very interesting goalie option next year with an affordable contract. Yes, he's week top corner, but every goalie has a particular weakness that gets exploited. Unless games like the one against OTT become the norm, I don't worry to much about that. And we do have a goalie coach for a reason. I agree with your assessment. Except for the highlighted point. That 3rd period collapse against Ottawa was a total team collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Said elsewhere, but this is probably the better spot: Send an Offer Sheet to Freddie Andersen. Make it high enough that Anaheim can't match. They have to get guys like Rakkel, Lindholm, Vatanen, Pirri re-signed to new deals. They have to re-sign or replace Perron, McGinn, Horcoff, Santorelli, Chris Stewart, Tokarski, Gernat, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 He is an emergency call up. He has to go down. The decision is then whether we use one of our 3 recalls, carrying 3 goalies when we have a bare roster and 20 games to play. I think with our goalie situation, if the decision has not been made as to whether he is qualified, he should be recalled. But we will see... I wish we had used a callup before the deadline on him rather than having to burn one of our 4, but he I think has to stay up the remainder of the season for assessment. I agree with your assessment. Except for the highlighted point. That 3rd period collapse against Ottawa was a total team collapse. That is true. Didn't mean to put it all on Ortio, everyone had a meltdown. But Ortio's play slipped with the rest of the team's as well, and I think he had a chance on two of those goals. Two of the three shouldn't have even gotten to him though. So multiple faults. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I"m not a big fan of the offer sheet so I'd rather just try and work a trade. Problem with an offer sheet is you have to give them your own picks so if you offer sheet Anderson and they take the picks you are giving up the Flames first 1st next year. Now I think the Flames can and should be better next year but i'm not willing to bet on it with Anderson. I think Andreson can be a good starter but not a top end so i'm not giving up what might be a lottery pick for him. I think you can work out a trade with Anaheim if that is the guy the way. Would be really helpfull if the Dallas pick ends up being a 1 because that would be the trade bait I would feel far more comfortable giving up then the Flames first next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I"m not a big fan of the offer sheet so I'd rather just try and work a trade. Same. Treliving appears to have great rapport with all the GMs in the league and he appeared to be the most hard working GM over the TDL calling every team to find out what was available. Once you offer sheet a player, I think some GMs would not answer your phone calls anymore. It was also rumoured that the Oilers were going to offer sheet Dougie Hamilton and as such, the Bruins "gave away" Hamilton to the Flames to spite the Oilers. Again, much of that was due to good rapport between Treliving and the other GMs in the league. To turn around now and offer sheet somebody, that's going to tarnish any reputation Treliving and Burke have developed over the course of their time. It's just not worth it. It's better to work out a deal for a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Yeah. Offer sheets are almost never a good idea for anyone. Even if we pay a bit more in trade for it, its better for future trades and relations with the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I"m not a big fan of the offer sheet so I'd rather just try and work a trade. Problem with an offer sheet is you have to give them your own picks so if you offer sheet Anderson and they take the picks you are giving up the Flames first 1st next year. Now I think the Flames can and should be better next year but i'm not willing to bet on it with Anderson. I think Andreson can be a good starter but not a top end so i'm not giving up what might be a lottery pick for him. I think you can work out a trade with Anaheim if that is the guy the way. Would be really helpfull if the Dallas pick ends up being a 1 because that would be the trade bait I would feel far more comfortable giving up then the Flames first next year. It's an option. It's not like a 1st in 2016, though. Matthews and McDavid have been touted for as long as I can remember. Is there that much of an impact player waiting till the 2017 season? Seems to me that recent OS that were submitted by teams haven't hurt that team's ability to trade. It's not like we have made many trades with Anaheim before. Rob Neidermayer, Tim Jackman, Jiggy. It's not my first choice, but infinitely cheaper than trying to make a trade in a cap world. All in all, I doubt that BT would consider it, but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 It's an option. It's not like a 1st in 2016, though. Matthews and McDavid have been touted for as long as I can remember. Is there that much of an impact player waiting till the 2017 season? Not to that level IMO, althought we shall see, its more I just don't see the value in giving up a lottery pick for an OK starter. I don't view Anderson as a legit top end starter. I think he is probably an aveage starter, but I don't see him as a guy you attached your hopes to for 55 plus game so thats why IMO he isn't worth a potetnial lotery pick even if the draft isn't as good. I can get behind a top 10 pick for Cory Schendier becuase he is one of the best in the league but I don't see Anderson at that level. It's not a horrible option becuase to your point working out a trade with Anaheim may be tough givin its inter division. I'm less concerend about the offer sheet process itself and more concerend with the price of a 1st and a 3rd for Andersson. I think thats too much, especially if that picks winds up a lottery pick which it could conceivably be. There isn't alot of teams shopping for starters so even if the Ducks put a premium on him to trade him inter division, the price might be less than a 1st and a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 It's an option. It's not like a 1st in 2016, though. Matthews and McDavid have been touted for as long as I can remember. Is there that much of an impact player waiting till the 2017 season? Seems to me that recent OS that were submitted by teams haven't hurt that team's ability to trade. It's not like we have made many trades with Anaheim before. Rob Neidermayer, Tim Jackman, Jiggy. It's not my first choice, but infinitely cheaper than trying to make a trade in a cap world. All in all, I doubt that BT would consider it, but you never know. I really don't see why we wouldn't make the trade, I don't see Anaheim turning us down. Yes I know division rivals and all, but if we give them a reasonable offer it looks better for both sides to get a trade done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Treliving: Hey Bob, we need a goalie... A real one this time... Murray: Andersen might be a trade chip, but he won't come cheap... Treliving: You guys owe us one for taking Hiller off your hands, he was a dud... Murray: (tries to stifle a chuckle)... What are you offering?... Treliving: Does Boudreau like chicken?... Murray: I think so, he sure got excited when I sent him to my car to bring up the KFC that I picked up for lunch... Treliving: We'll buy Boudreau his own KFC franchise, right close to the Honda Center... Murray: Well, they do say a happy coach makes for a happy hockey team... Done... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Not to that level IMO, althought we shall see, its more I just don't see the value in giving up a lottery pick for an OK starter. I don't view Anderson as a legit top end starter. I think he is probably an aveage starter, but I don't see him as a guy you attached your hopes to for 55 plus game so thats why IMO he isn't worth a potetnial lotery pick even if the draft isn't as good. I can get behind a top 10 pick for Cory Schendier becuase he is one of the best in the league but I don't see Anderson at that level. It's not a horrible option becuase to your point working out a trade with Anaheim may be tough givin its inter division. I'm less concerend about the offer sheet process itself and more concerend with the price of a 1st and a 3rd for Andersson. I think thats too much, especially if that picks winds up a lottery pick which it could conceivably be. There isn't alot of teams shopping for starters so even if the Ducks put a premium on him to trade him inter division, the price might be less than a 1st and a 3rd. Stats: Season Team Lge GP Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008-09 Herning Blue Fox Denmark 33 1178 44 0 0 2.24 0 0 0 571 0.929 2009-10 Frederikshavn White Hawks Denmark 32 1753 64 0 0 2.19 0 0 0 875 0.932 2011-12 Frolunda HC SEL 39 2335 65 0 7 1.67 0 0 0 1037 0.941 2012-13 Norfolk Admirals AHL 47 2685 98 4 4 2.19 24 18 1 1289 0.929 2013-14 Anaheim Ducks NHL 28 1569 60 0 0 2.29 20 5 0 723 0.923 2013-14 Norfolk Admirals AHL 4 245 8 0 1 1.96 3 1 0 123 0.939 2014-15 Anaheim Ducks NHL 54 3106 123 0 3 2.38 35 12 5 1313 0.914 2015-16 Anaheim Ducks NHL 34 1797 68 0 1 2.26 16 8 3 783 0.920 These are better than backup numbers. Even a three year deal is less risky than going for another backup turning starter. Not sure there are many options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Stats: Season Team Lge GP Min GA EN SO GAA W L T Svs Pct ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008-09 Herning Blue Fox Denmark 33 1178 44 0 0 2.24 0 0 0 571 0.929 2009-10 Frederikshavn White Hawks Denmark 32 1753 64 0 0 2.19 0 0 0 875 0.932 2011-12 Frolunda HC SEL 39 2335 65 0 7 1.67 0 0 0 1037 0.941 2012-13 Norfolk Admirals AHL 47 2685 98 4 4 2.19 24 18 1 1289 0.929 2013-14 Anaheim Ducks NHL 28 1569 60 0 0 2.29 20 5 0 723 0.923 2013-14 Norfolk Admirals AHL 4 245 8 0 1 1.96 3 1 0 123 0.939 2014-15 Anaheim Ducks NHL 54 3106 123 0 3 2.38 35 12 5 1313 0.914 2015-16 Anaheim Ducks NHL 34 1797 68 0 1 2.26 16 8 3 783 0.920 These are better than backup numbers. Even a three year deal is less risky than going for another backup turning starter. Not sure there are many options out there. Where did I say he was a backup? I said he was a starter but IMO he is an average starter and i'm not giving up a potential lottery pick in the first round for an Avg starter. Just because he may be the best option available doesn't mean you overpay for him. I have no problem looking into acquiring Anderson and potetnially acquiring him but its got to be for the right price. He isn't worth giving up everything for, that is what i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 For those who think our next #1 should be of similar age as all our prospects and rebuild players then I would suggest we look at getting someone like : While his NHL resume is short, he is the age, has good size and nice stats. I don't think it would take an arm and leg to get him from the Jets. Maybe FF52 would have a better idea what it would take to get him.. FF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Deeds, I am just copying another post from FF, but he doesn't believe Hellebuyck would be available: Flyerfan52, on 24 Jan 2016 - 3:54 PM, said: With the way Hellebuyck has been playing & the Jets deep in goalie prospects I see Hutchinson as probably available. I can't guess the cost but see him as better than the Flames prospects while being ready to assume @ least backup. Andersen will probably be harder to get especially in division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I can't see Hellebuyck being avaialable. High upside and its not like the Jets have a goalie playing well right now. Could probably get Hutchinson or Pavelec pretty easily, but both are backups IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 If we could get Hellebuyck that would be gold. I see no reasonably likely scenario where the Jets even consider an offer for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 The Jets trading Hellebuyck would be like us trading Gillies, except Hellebuyck has shown he can play in the NHL and play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamesLogic Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think the hangup on Andersen has gone a bit too far. Hes not worth offer sheeting. I like him in that hes a larger goalie and his stats are strong, but then again they are padded by playing on a sound defensive team in the ducks. A similar goalie that can likely be had as a UFA is Chad Johnson. Granted hes an inch shorter at 6'3" but hes had similar numbers with more experience and done it across 5 different teams. Now I dont believe he is a true #1 but I think he is in the conversation with a guy like a Reimer as someone we can bring in for 2-3 years to man the ship with Ortio while our own big talented goalies in Gillies and McDonald mature. The upside is that combination of goalie costs is likely HALF of what we spent in net this year and can mean the difference between bringing in a guy like Okposo for the top line.There are more goalies than there are jobs nowadays. Unless you have a carey price or another true #1 why spend more money than you need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickross Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 We might actually be in decent shape if we'd kept Laurent Brossoit around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 We might actually be in decent shape if we'd kept Laurent Brossoit around Let's not get too carried away Brossoit has played 2 games and his AHL stats are OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymo Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Let's not get too carried away Bros so it has played 2 games and his AHL stats are OK. I always liked Brossoit and hated the trade. He has been consistently good since we drafted him. But that boat has sailed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickross Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Let's not get too carried away Brossoit has played 2 games and his AHL stats are OK. Not calling the guy a savior or anything but we'd atleast have another internal option. Much cheaper then trading assets or picks for a starting goalie. It is only 2 games but he played solid in front of a horrid Oiler D at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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