The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 Weird. With 3 picks left, they cut to commercial. As they were fading to commercial, they said "there's our first order change. Columbus will pick 3rd. We'll be right back"... huh? Bill Daly never showed the Columbus card yet??? Pre-determined? Rigged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted May 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, The_People1 said: Weird. With 3 picks left, they cut to commercial. As they were fading to commercial, they said "there's our first order change. Columbus will pick 3rd. We'll be right back"... huh? Bill Daly never showed the Columbus card yet??? Pre-determined? Rigged? It's a made for TV production and they butchered it this year. Did a really poor job. NHL likes to shoot themselves in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Weird. With 3 picks left, they cut to commercial. As they were fading to commercial, they said "there's our first order change. Columbus will pick 3rd. We'll be right back"... huh? Bill Daly never showed the Columbus card yet??? Pre-determined? Rigged? I caught that too. I was like, "what"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 Really sucks Chicago won. That franchise does not deserve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: It's a made for TV production and they butchered it this year. Did a really poor job. NHL likes to shoot themselves in the foot. Trues. They probably told the network the final draft order ahead of time so the network could prepare what to say... but they still botched it... so weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, cross16 said: Really sucks Chicago won. That franchise does not deserve this. Biggest market... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, conundrumed said: Biggest market... Very sus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted May 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 It's fascinating, because Chicago is quite honestly the worst team in the league when you factor in roster/pipeline. They have very little. Korchinski is their best prospect, he's a D. It's not at all like Crosby, McDavid or Matthews when they were picked. PIT had Malkin and Fleury as top two picks in prior yeard. TOR had Nylander, Marner and Rielly Easy to laugh at EDM but they had Draisaitl, Nuge, Eberle and Hall. Chicago has nothing. It's gonna test that generational talent label for Bedard. He's gonna have to do it himself. Unfortunate for CHI because that ELC is gonna be wasted on some really bad teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, conundrumed said: Biggest market... Ya I’m not a conspiracy guy on this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 From '17-22, the odds of the Wings never winning 1, 2 or 3 in the lottery is 15.6%. The chances of them moving down a total of 8 spots in that time, which they did, is 5.8%. Blockchain the lottery and the Bettman that it rode in on. I would rather teams lose for it than the NHL run a "lottery". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 hours ago, cross16 said: I think if Michkov falls at all it wont' be skill it will be contract. He's under contract with SKA until 2026. So your taking someone in the top 10, maybe top 5, who you likely won't see for at least 3 years AND then you have to be very confident you can get him to pass on KHL money to come to North America and make 3 mill a year. That's going to be your debate when it comes to Michkov IMO. I don't know enough to have an opinion but any NHL team with interest has to have confidence with his contract situation. So Michkov could stay in KHL for 4 years and then go UFA as an unsigned prospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, cross16 said: Ya I’m not a conspiracy guy on this stuff. I don't trust the NHL as far as I can throw them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, The_People1 said: So Michkov could stay in KHL for 4 years and then go UFA as an unsigned prospect? If he's drafted, he stays proprietary to that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 I never liked teams tanking for the #1 pick anyways and neither should the NHL. The only way to eliminate tanking and selling at the TDL is to go full unweighted lottery. Zero incentive to dump all players at the TDL and aim to lose. With an unweighted lottery, they could do a lot at the draft lottery to make the selections live. It could be a big money maker for TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, conundrumed said: If he's drafted, he stays proprietary to that team. Same as college players who don't sign after 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 Just now, The_People1 said: Same as college players who don't sign after 4 years? No, indefinite. No transfer agreement with the KHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, The_People1 said: I never liked teams tanking for the #1 pick anyways and neither should the NHL. The only way to eliminate tanking and selling at the TDL is to go full unweighted lottery. Zero incentive to dump all players at the TDL and aim to lose. With an unweighted lottery, they could do a lot at the draft lottery to make the selections live. It could be a big money maker for TV. But only the bottom 4-6 teams. Not 16. 16's a ridiculous number of teams and 30-40pt differences in standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, conundrumed said: But only the bottom 4-6 teams. Not 16. 16's a ridiculous number of teams and 30-40pt differences in standings. Win to the very last game no matter what. 4, 16, doesn't matter, they all suck. They all need a lot of help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otown72 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, conundrumed said: But only the bottom 4-6 teams. Not 16. 16's a ridiculous number of teams and 30-40pt differences in standings. It would be cool to see a slight increae to the teams odds as they win more games after eliminated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, conundrumed said: No, indefinite. No transfer agreement with the KHL. What does the transfer agreement have anything to do with the technicality that the NHL Team and player never signed a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, The_People1 said: What does the transfer agreement have anything to do with the technicality that the NHL Team and player never signed a contract? outlines the rules. but the two situations are different. In the NCAA the 4 year rules exists to allow a player to pursue education. In terms of the KHL there is no transfer agreement to agree to an established set of rules and in addition to that there is also a written understanding that the leagues honor each others contracts. So if a Russian player continues to sign KHL contracts there is a possibility and nhl team could never get the chance to sign him. that’s why the rights are held indefinitely. That’s isn’t the case for NCAA where a drafted team will always get an exclusive negotiating window. You may not with a KHL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 Been a long time since Chicago had a player like that. Bobby Hull I guess? If it goes like they say it will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted May 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 34 minutes ago, jjgallow said: Been a long time since Chicago had a player like that. Bobby Hull I guess? If it goes like they say it will Been about 3 months since they’ve had a hall of famer on their team haha. Funny how it always seems to work out for certain franchises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 hour ago, conundrumed said: But only the bottom 4-6 teams. Not 16. 16's a ridiculous number of teams and 30-40pt differences in standings. I really think they should have 6 team lotto For the last place and the other 4 or 5 teams directly below them. then the next 5 teams even lotto. then the last five or 6 teams. No weight to any of them. But 3 separate lottos for 3 different tiers. they could do the 11-16 picks lotto first. then the 6-10. then the 1-5 picks. all unweighted. then those teams that are in those tiers are where they're supposed to be and the teams with the poorest records should get a better chance? I get you want all of the teams not tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 1 minute ago, robrob74 said: I really think they should have 6 team lotto For the last place and the other 4 or 5 teams directly below them. then the next 5 teams even lotto. then the last five or 6 teams. No weight to any of them. But 3 separate lottos for 3 different tiers. Nah but then some years, the 5,6,7 are so close to be bumped down a tier. And 10/11 so close, why split their draft odds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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