Carty Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 hours ago, The_People1 said: So, Vegas it is. Good ol' Lost Wages Nevada... Perfect choice... With an average temperature of 41 to 40 Celsius for the summer months, the ice should be terrific... Although I suppose that it does drop all the way down to 36 for September... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Carty said: Good ol' Lost Wages Nevada... Perfect choice... With an average temperature of 41 to 40 Celsius for the summer months, the ice should be terrific... Although I suppose that it does drop all the way down to 36 for September... I don't know if they have the same issues with ice making as places like Florida have. Humidity is the big killer. The Vega have none. I wonder how Vegas will treat games they play in (eventually). Show Girls skating onto the ice? In theory there is no "home" ice for any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 The Nevada heat and 3 games a day... the ice crew is gonna be a busy bunch. Wonder what they do for scheduling too, I spoke to a fellow that worked on the ice at the Dome, he said for a 7pm start, usually ends around 9:30, they are maintaining and re-building the ice until midnight. Take into consideration, the possibility for multiple overtime games, and the heat, it will be really tough on the ice. Its not like in a minor hockey tournament where one game ends and the team is standing at the glass waiting to go on next. They will need at least an hour if not more between games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC923 Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Sometimes I really don't get the nhl. They should be choosing locations based on their ability to isolate and the host city's safety re:covid. While I'm sure Vegas has a decent set-up with hotels near the ice, it's an extremely social city and decent bet for super-spreading events to occur. No matter how hard you try, you will never be able to fully insulate players from the outside from potentially infectious individuals. Meanwhile, the rumor is the eastern hub is going to be Toronto, one of the worst cities in Canada for covid (although I'm not sure where in the east would work as most eastern cities are worse off than western). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Carty said: Good ol' Lost Wages Nevada... Perfect choice... With an average temperature of 41 to 40 Celsius for the summer months, the ice should be terrific... Although I suppose that it does drop all the way down to 36 for September... CHAZ would have been a better choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ABC923 said: Sometimes I really don't get the nhl. They should be choosing locations based on their ability to isolate and the host city's safety re:covid. While I'm sure Vegas has a decent set-up with hotels near the ice, it's an extremely social city and decent bet for super-spreading events to occur. No matter how hard you try, you will never be able to fully insulate players from the outside from potentially infectious individuals. Meanwhile, the rumor is the eastern hub is going to be Toronto, one of the worst cities in Canada for covid (although I'm not sure where in the east would work as most eastern cities are worse off than western). It's honestly tough though. The NHL is in every major city in North America and Covid is too. The only alternative is to go to a non-NHL city out in the middle of nowhere but then the city still has to be able to accommodate 600-players + wives + 100s of coaches + 100s of team doctors/training staff + GMs, etc. A medium sized town may not be able to support this. What i'm most disappointed about is it seems the NHL is still wanting to make money off the local economy somehow. I bet they will squeeze some fans into the rinks at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Thinking about it now, would the best solution have been to retrofit a cruise ship and anchor off the coast somewhere? Maybe off the coast of Vancouver. Obviously anchor somewhere where the tides don't rock the boat too much. And the port city has all the amenities and medical assistance if/when required. The cruise ship would be isolated for 2 months and teams are only allowed off the ship after they get eliminated from the playoffs. A cruise ship would be able to accommodate 2000+ people + 1000 cruise ship staff. No one is allowed on/off except for food delivery. Chance of catching Covid would be reduced because you are isolated from the rest of the world and yet, cruise ship has entertainment, workout facilities, and great food. The rink wouldn't need seats since no fans are allowed to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 The one thing with Vegas is, how are they gonna keep the players isolated? Vegas is essentially open, last I saw. Casinos are abuzz. Unless the players are staying off of the strip, they are bound to come across other people, which is exactly what the league doesn't want. I really can't see MGM agreeing to rent a hotel out for 2 months to the NHL, regardless of price, just because of how much money they make off of the casino. I also read they wanted a spot where players could easily walk to the rink, well in Vegas that means they are staying on the strip, which will be packed with people. It's never gonna be perfect, but in a city like Edmonton I could see them being able to rent out an entire hotel for 2 months, in Vegas though that seems to be unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: The one thing with Vegas is, how are they gonna keep the players isolated? Vegas is essentially open, last I saw. Casinos are abuzz. Unless the players are staying off of the strip, they are bound to come across other people, which is exactly what the league doesn't want. I really can't see MGM agreeing to rent a hotel out for 2 months to the NHL, regardless of price, just because of how much money they make off of the casino. I also read they wanted a spot where players could easily walk to the rink, well in Vegas that means they are staying on the strip, which will be packed with people. It's never gonna be perfect, but in a city like Edmonton I could see them being able to rent out an entire hotel for 2 months, in Vegas though that seems to be unlikely. So then next question is, what if players in one city get sick but not the other? Do we stop all play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, The_People1 said: So then next question is, what if players in one city get sick but not the other? Do we stop all play? I just see it as inevitable somebody would get sick in Vegas. I mean do they really think players aren't gonna be sneaking out to the casino or out for a round of golf. They can't possibly expect the players lives to be the dressing room and hotel room for 2-3 months. Unfortunately though it could cause a lot of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said: The one thing with Vegas is, how are they gonna keep the players isolated? Vegas is essentially open, last I saw. Casinos are abuzz. Unless the players are staying off of the strip, they are bound to come across other people, which is exactly what the league doesn't want. I really can't see MGM agreeing to rent a hotel out for 2 months to the NHL, regardless of price, just because of how much money they make off of the casino. I also read they wanted a spot where players could easily walk to the rink, well in Vegas that means they are staying on the strip, which will be packed with people. It's never gonna be perfect, but in a city like Edmonton I could see them being able to rent out an entire hotel for 2 months, in Vegas though that seems to be unlikely. The walking part is the only real issue. Staying in a hotel is not a hurdle in Vegas. They pick one hotel and all teams stay there. Nobody else. All meals are delivered to rooms. Transportation to the rink is staggered so teams aren't all going the exact same time. A fleet of busses, about 2 per team. There is no access to players or staff by any public. The players would not be allowed in the casinos. They are in fact isolated. And the number of people per team is not going to include spouces. The coaches don't want it. You might think that picking one single hotel only benefits one company. The NHL could impose a profit share with other capable hotels, but I doubt it. Whoever lobbies the hardest and can empty their hotel from public access (no guests) would benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, travel_dude said: The walking part is the only real issue. Staying in a hotel is not a hurdle in Vegas. They pick one hotel and all teams stay there. Nobody else. All meals are delivered to rooms. Transportation to the rink is staggered so teams aren't all going the exact same time. A fleet of busses, about 2 per team. There is no access to players or staff by any public. The players would not be allowed in the casinos. They are in fact isolated. And the number of people per team is not going to include spouces. The coaches don't want it. You might think that picking one single hotel only benefits one company. The NHL could impose a profit share with other capable hotels, but I doubt it. Whoever lobbies the hardest and can empty their hotel from public access (no guests) would benefit. Lebrun's latest article clears a bit of this up. One of the only MGM properties that has yet to re-open is Park MGM, right beside T-Mobile. Just shy of 3000 rooms and 259 suites. They will book that hotel and that will be the bubble, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Who wins the Hart? Mackinnon gets my vote. Avs were a top team in the league, decimated by injuries and he's not a defensive liability. Mcdavid and Draisaitl have cases and in fact Draisaitl probably wins, but how do you have 97 and 110 pts and be minus players? Plus/minus isn't the best stat, but when you have 100 points and are a -, you aren't an MVP to me. It seems the trend is to give the Hart to the guy with the most points though, even if it means they are only good in the attacking zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: Who wins the Hart? Mackinnon gets my vote. Avs were a top team in the league, decimated by injuries and he's not a defensive liability. Mcdavid and Draisaitl have cases and in fact Draisaitl probably wins, but how do you have 97 and 110 pts and be minus players? Plus/minus isn't the best stat, but when you have 100 points and are a -, you aren't an MVP to me. It seems the trend is to give the Hart to the guy with the most points though, even if it means they are only good in the attacking zone. I know what you're saying, but at the same time it means they really took advantage of the times they were on the PP. Honestly, I don't see why our PP isn't that lethal. We don't have McD or Draisaitl but I think that we aren't that far behind on talent. I think that being better on the PP would up the main point getters on the Flames by about 10. That's a lot when you're in the 70s and 80s. It means the 80s or 90s. Especially since the Flames overload the talent onto the 1st unit you'd think they'd score at a better clip. That being said. I am mixed on the argument that because they're minus they shouldn't deserve it. If they don't score when it counts on the PP then your importance to the team is less. So to me it means they still scored when it matters. It just means they were outscored on 5vs5, or had some shorthanded goals scored against them. I think what's most important is how they've faired against all opponents. What are the goals for and goals agains while they're on the ice in all situations. I don't want them to win it. I hope for McK over McD or Dry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, robrob74 said: I know what you're saying, but at the same time it means they really took advantage of the times they were on the PP. Honestly, I don't see why our PP isn't that lethal. We don't have McD or Draisaitl but I think that we aren't that far behind on talent. I think that being better on the PP would up the main point getters on the Flames by about 10. That's a lot when you're in the 70s and 80s. It means the 80s or 90s. Especially since the Flames overload the talent onto the 1st unit you'd think they'd score at a better clip. That being said. I am mixed on the argument that because they're minus they shouldn't deserve it. If they don't score when it counts on the PP then your importance to the team is less. So to me it means they still scored when it matters. It just means they were outscored on 5vs5, or had some shorthanded goals scored against them. I think what's most important is how they've faired against all opponents. What are the goals for and goals agains while they're on the ice in all situations. I don't want them to win it. I hope for McK over McD or Dry.... I get that they killed it on the PP and voters can’t penalize them for that. Panarin needs more love from the voters Led the league in even strength points, 71/95 points at even strength and was a +36. His quality of line mates was way behind EDM and COL. Panarin made Strome look like a legit top 6C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 46 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: I get that they killed it on the PP and voters can’t penalize them for that. Panarin needs more love from the voters Led the league in even strength points, 71/95 points at even strength and was a +36. His quality of line mates was way behind EDM and COL. Panarin made Strome look like a legit top 6C McD and Drai are cheaters in the D-zone. They do manage to break out and score many times, but most of it is leave the player to be ready to spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 So the WHL says they cannot operate unless they get 50% of seats filled next season. Understandable but is this where the NHL should come in and bail out the WHL or else lose a significant source of future talent pool? Imagine all draft eligible prospects miss a full season in all CHL leagues? Is College the best route now? https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/whl-teams-will-need-fans-seats-operate-next-season/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 I think in general most dub teams will be ok, there's lots of empty seats at jr games these days. Junior hockey isn't as well attended as it once was. However, it will crush teams like Swift Current, PG and PA. Small market teams need to sell those tickets just to squeak by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 14 hours ago, The_People1 said: So the WHL says they cannot operate unless they get 50% of seats filled next season. Understandable but is this where the NHL should come in and bail out the WHL or else lose a significant source of future talent pool? Imagine all draft eligible prospects miss a full season in all CHL leagues? Is College the best route now? https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/whl-teams-will-need-fans-seats-operate-next-season/ There are rumors that NCAA won't play either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 15 hours ago, The_People1 said: So the WHL says they cannot operate unless they get 50% of seats filled next season. Understandable but is this where the NHL should come in and bail out the WHL or else lose a significant source of future talent pool? Imagine all draft eligible prospects miss a full season in all CHL leagues? Is College the best route now? https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/whl-teams-will-need-fans-seats-operate-next-season/ And if money was already a problem for the league, this probably won't help https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/carcillo-spearheads-class-action-lawsuit-chl-member-teams/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said: I think in general most dub teams will be ok, there's lots of empty seats at jr games these days. Junior hockey isn't as well attended as it once was. However, it will crush teams like Swift Current, PG and PA. Small market teams need to sell those tickets just to squeak by I'm guessing at least a quarter of the teams in the CHL struggle to stay afloat as is. Now add in covid and people are scared to attend big gatherings. Even advertising revenue will be down for the next year or two given no commerce happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, cross16 said: There are rumors that NCAA won't play either. Why though? Because schools themselves locked down? I guess there's potential legal problems if players get sick. They can sue the schools for putting their students into harm's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, sak22 said: And if money was already a problem for the league, this probably won't help https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/carcillo-spearheads-class-action-lawsuit-chl-member-teams/ Such a broad and general lawsuit. Anything can be abuse including having to bag skate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, sak22 said: And if money was already a problem for the league, this probably won't help https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/carcillo-spearheads-class-action-lawsuit-chl-member-teams/ Hate to see that kind of stuff, despicable. My only issue is Carcillo has been accused of doing the same things... but that's a topic for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Why though? Because schools themselves locked down? I guess there's potential legal problems if players get sick. They can sue the schools for putting their students into harm's way. Potentially but mostly just a lot of uncertainty. Can they practice, can the fans attend and if fans can attend how many and at what point does it make financial sense to just not play at all if they can't have fans or the typical experience? Uncertainty around 2nd wave etc etc. The more gate driven the league is i thikn the bigger challenge it is to have a season without fan or a restriction on fans. Can schools subsidize a hockey program? What's the PR fall out of a school having to use public funds, as many do, to subsidize hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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