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[robrob74]

14 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

Honestly, I have no idea how you can listen to hockey and get anything out of it.

I watched tonight with Loubo and the other guy.

Doesn;t do the game justice.

 

I'm the type to watch a game with the sound off just to enjoy the sport without the talk.

Had to do that whenever I watched the Oilers play.

Quinn was Mr Catchphase who would announce the McD or Drai goals even when they missed or the goalie made a good save.

Worse homer I ever listened to.

Glad they moved Debrusk to full time Oiler shill.

And got rid of Quinn.

 

 

The old radio guys were good. They can paint the picture really well, and having played and watched it enough, if the announcer is describing where they're at and who passes the puck and to whom, I can kind of watch it in my head, envision where they're at. With Loubo and (Kerr?) they're just all over the map with talking between passes. 

 

On TV they can get away with it, but you're right, even the Flames commentators on TV can get high on other team's players over the Flames, like Cassey Campbell does. Hrudey does the same but isn't as bad as she is. I think the Flames broadcasts might be then only ones where the commentators don't blow smoke up their team's Hash Rate. But it's fun to listen to if it's a good broadcast, or on a drive and you can't watch the game. Although, I end up with road rage when I hear pucks in the background and have no clue where the play is going. 

[travel_dude]

49 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

The old radio guys were good. They can paint the picture really well, and having played and watched it enough, if the announcer is describing where they're at and who passes the puck and to whom, I can kind of watch it in my head, envision where they're at. With Loubo and (Kerr?) they're just all over the map with talking between passes. 

 

On TV they can get away with it, but you're right, even the Flames commentators on TV can get high on other team's players over the Flames, like Cassey Campbell does. Hrudey does the same but isn't as bad as she is. I think the Flames broadcasts might be then only ones where the commentators don't blow smoke up their team's Hash Rate. But it's fun to listen to if it's a good broadcast, or on a drive and you can't watch the game. Although, I end up with road rage when I hear pucks in the background and have no clue where the play is going. 

 

I'm more visual, so I can't listen to hockey unless it's like the way Danny Galivan did them.  You didn't have to watch to know where the puck was or the danger areas.

 

I'm lucky to live in the same province as my team.  I'm from the east, so SN only broadcasts SENS games there.  And that was back when they sucked (hint - they still do).

Get to watch every game played, and only have to use streams once in a blue moon.

I don't care for Cassie, but once the play stops she has valid but annoying thngs to say.

Debrusk always sounds like he is trying to find something nice to say about the Flames, unless they are laying the Oilers.

He doesn't belong on a national broadcast.

Neither does Hrudey, but that's because he's not that professional.

He knows stuff, but really isn't a gifted speaker.

Ball is just okay.

Better than some, doesn't sound like a homer.

Quinn is the worst.

[travel_dude]

Oilers suck.

[robrob74]

2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I'm more visual, so I can't listen to hockey unless it's like the way Danny Galivan did them.  You didn't have to watch to know where the puck was or the danger areas.

 

I'm lucky to live in the same province as my team.  I'm from the east, so SN only broadcasts SENS games there.  And that was back when they sucked (hint - they still do).

Get to watch every game played, and only have to use streams once in a blue moon.

I don't care for Cassie, but once the play stops she has valid but annoying thngs to say.

Debrusk always sounds like he is trying to find something nice to say about the Flames, unless they are laying the Oilers.

He doesn't belong on a national broadcast.

Neither does Hrudey, but that's because he's not that professional.

He knows stuff, but really isn't a gifted speaker.

Ball is just okay.

Better than some, doesn't sound like a homer.

Quinn is the worst.

 

 

Agree, It's why I loved Peter Marr. He did a great job of keeping to the play by play. 

On TV, until he got really old, I felt that the CBC Bob Cole was really good at keeping to the play by play. Better than a lot of the guys announcing now. The ones these days just wanna chat while watching a game. Cole would cut Harry Neale off as soon as the play would start. Once he got old he stopped remembering a lot of the player's names. 

[original hockeypriest]

So, It was soooo nice to see the Oilers playing at mid-season form on day one last night. Personally, I think Ken Holland's offseason is the kind of summer that should have gotten him fired. Adding Tyson Barrie who is a nice pp d-man but has trouble in his own end was not the kind of defensman the Oilers needed. Their other big prize was Kyle Turris....yes, that's right Kyle Turris. The Oilers will once again rely on 2 elite forwards to run up the score because they don't have any tools that will help keep the puck out of their own net.

[sak22]

Can't put too much into game 1, but is there a point in praising the depth moves in the offseason if they are just going to rely on one guy to play catchup

[jjgallow]

On 1/11/2021 at 11:31 PM, travel_dude said:

I'm the type to watch a game with the sound off just to enjoy the sport without the talk.

Had to do that whenever I watched the Oilers play.

 

I do the same thing when the Oilers play except I don't have the screen on either.

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, jjgallow said:

 

I do the same thing when the Oilers play except I don't have the screen on either.

 

I'm just happy for them to split games against foes in the North.

Can't have any team beating them every game.

They need to win to prevent other teams from getting too far ahead.

 

Looks like all the depth they signed only amounted to ensuring the top 2 lines could get goals.

McDavid get zero points - Oilers lose by 2.

McDavid gets 4 points - Oilers win by 3.

[JTech780]

 

[cross16]

I didn't like the hire but even saying that I am really shocked how things have gone under Tippett. Usually the one thing you can count on when Tippett is your coach is your team is going to play tight defense and do the little things right in the d zone. Oilers are a far cry from that.

 

Talent plays a part for sure so i'm not blaming Tippett it's just a surprising observation given his track record. 

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, cross16 said:

I didn't like the hire but even saying that I am really shocked how things have gone under Tippett. Usually the one thing you can count on when Tippett is your coach is your team is going to play tight defense and do the little things right in the d zone. Oilers are a far cry from that.

 

Talent plays a part for sure so i'm not blaming Tippett it's just a surprising observation given his track record. 

 

The GM decided to bring in a PP specialist D for a team needing a defensive player.

Kahun was a good signing, but the others are reclamation projects, yes even Puljujarvi.

Puljujarvi went from a league that has so much more space out there to a smaller ice where little plays are magnified.

And he's not even the worst player; he's just not quite NHL ready and won't be unless he is in a teacing setting.

 

The GM also thought that scoring depth was the biggest problem to fix.

Lost out on Markstrom, yet the only thing stopping him was what, an extra year?

Followed that up by not being in on Holtby.

Not trading for any help elsewhere.

 

I don't think he has the horses to play a sound defensive game.

Can't get the forwards to buy into playing without the puck, other than cruising around waiting to get a 2 on 1 the other way.

The D has no real standouts that know how to play defensively.

Puck movers only.

Nurse and Larsson will look for the big hit over the safe play.

By the looks of it, Bouchard is another offensive D-man.  

[robrob74]

13 hours ago, cross16 said:

I didn't like the hire but even saying that I am really shocked how things have gone under Tippett. Usually the one thing you can count on when Tippett is your coach is your team is going to play tight defense and do the little things right in the d zone. Oilers are a far cry from that.

 

Talent plays a part for sure so i'm not blaming Tippett it's just a surprising observation given his track record. 

 

i think the look on his face says it all, they’re probably not following the plan. 

[jjgallow]

 

I'm curious what Scotia's advice is on this.

[sak22]

2 hours ago, jjgallow said:

 

I'm curious what Scotia's advice is on this.

He's richer than he thinks.

[McInnisslapshotothehead]

On 1/19/2021 at 11:20 AM, travel_dude said:

 

The GM decided to bring in a PP specialist D for a team needing a defensive player.

Kahun was a good signing, but the others are reclamation projects, yes even Puljujarvi.

Puljujarvi went from a league that has so much more space out there to a smaller ice where little plays are magnified.

And he's not even the worst player; he's just not quite NHL ready and won't be unless he is in a teacing setting.

 

The GM also thought that scoring depth was the biggest problem to fix.

Lost out on Markstrom, yet the only thing stopping him was what, an extra year?

Followed that up by not being in on Holtby.

Not trading for any help elsewhere.

 

I don't think he has the horses to play a sound defensive game.

Can't get the forwards to buy into playing without the puck, other than cruising around waiting to get a 2 on 1 the other way.

The D has no real standouts that know how to play defensively.

Puck movers only.

Nurse and Larsson will look for the big hit over the safe play.

By the looks of it, Bouchard is another offensive D-man.  

This did not age well ... 😐

[sak22]

18 minutes ago, McInnisslapshotothehead said:

This did not age well ... 😐

Oilers will still only go as far as Mike Smith allows them.  I have as much faith in Mike Smith staying at the level he has as I do the Flames going on a run, which is not much.

[travel_dude]

32 minutes ago, McInnisslapshotothehead said:

This did not age well ... 😐

 

I stand by my statements.

Poolparty is what?  13 points in 35 games playing with McDavid and now Draisaitl?

Barrie is what you expect, an offensive D-man.  

The dynamic duo are still on for a ton of goals against.

Winning by outscoring teams.

Going nowhere in a hurry.

 

Out of curiosity, you have just started posting and you chose an Oilers thread as one of your two posts?

 

[bigfaninlethbridge]

On 3/30/2021 at 1:51 PM, travel_dude said:

 

I stand by my statements.

Poolparty is what?  13 points in 35 games playing with McDavid and now Draisaitl?

He has 8 goals on the season, good for 5th on his team.  And good for 5'th on this team as well.  And his contributions to the team seem to be more than just scoring points.

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Barrie is what you expect, an offensive D-man.  

He is second in the league in D scoring at 32 points, and has more points than the entire flames roster.

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The dynamic duo are still on for a ton of goals against.

Connor McDavid is a +13, Leon Draisaitl is a +21

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Winning by outscoring teams.

That is literally the only way to win a hockey game.  Their team is a +16 goal differential while this one is a -17. 

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Going nowhere in a hurry.

The real sad thing is that they are going someplace that this team is not.  this is the team that is going nowhere in a hurry.

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Out of curiosity, you have just started posting and you chose an Oilers thread as one of your two posts?

 

He was right.  It was a ridiculous post then and even more ridiculous in hindsight, and there was nothing wrong with outing it as such.  Furthermore, why would a moderator chastise a member of his forum for where that member decides to contribute to discussion, Isn't that the entire purpose of a web forum?

[robrob74]

10 hours ago, bigfaninlethbridge said:

He has 8 goals on the season, good for 5th on his team.  And good for 5'th on this team as well.  And his contributions to the team seem to be more than just scoring points.

He is second in the league in D scoring at 32 points, and has more points than the entire flames roster.

Connor McDavid is a +13, Leon Draisaitl is a +21

https://i.gyazo.com/258d9b67dfa6c89fa691362038c12caa.png

That is literally the only way to win a hockey game.  Their team is a +16 goal differential while this one is a -17. 

The real sad thing is that they are going someplace that this team is not.  this is the team that is going nowhere in a hurry.

He was right.  It was a ridiculous post then and even more ridiculous in hindsight, and there was nothing wrong with outing it as such.  Furthermore, why would a moderator chastise a member of his forum for where that member decides to contribute to discussion, Isn't that the entire purpose of a web forum?

it’s denial. Edmonton has been up and down, and a team to make fun of because of their ineptitude. When it’s all out on the table, it appears the Flames aren’t as good as we thought they were, or some have thought they were. Even Smith is doing his part on their team. 
 

sure, they have probably the best two players in the league, but if they’re able to outplay everyone, it’s already a huge leg up on what the Flames have, which these days, seems like nothing. We look like an AHL team most nights.

[travel_dude]

10 hours ago, bigfaninlethbridge said:

He has 8 goals on the season, good for 5th on his team.  And good for 5'th on this team as well.  And his contributions to the team seem to be more than just scoring points.

He is second in the league in D scoring at 32 points, and has more points than the entire flames roster.

Connor McDavid is a +13, Leon Draisaitl is a +21

https://i.gyazo.com/258d9b67dfa6c89fa691362038c12caa.png

That is literally the only way to win a hockey game.  Their team is a +16 goal differential while this one is a -17. 

The real sad thing is that they are going someplace that this team is not.  this is the team that is going nowhere in a hurry.

He was right.  It was a ridiculous post then and even more ridiculous in hindsight, and there was nothing wrong with outing it as such.  Furthermore, why would a moderator chastise a member of his forum for where that member decides to contribute to discussion, Isn't that the entire purpose of a web forum?

 

First off, I am a poster as well as a mod.  So I do have opinions.  I'm simply asking a question to a new poster who decided that their first posts would be related to the Oilers.  If you are a closet Oiler fan, fine.  No team site that you can post on.  

 

Focus on stats a bit much perhaps.  You understand that plus minus means that he was on for 40 goals for and 27 against at 5v5.  That's a ton.

Barrie is an offensive D-man that bleeds goals even strength.  

The goal differential is deceiving isn't it.  Have a few 7-1 games and it looks like your team is killing it.

[bigfaninlethbridge]

50 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

First off, I am a poster as well as a mod.  So I do have opinions.  I'm simply asking a question to a new poster who decided that their first posts would be related to the Oilers.  If you are a closet Oiler fan, fine.  No team site that you can post on.  

No I get that, I just don't understand why that persons posting preferences was an issue in the first place.

50 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Focus on stats a bit much perhaps.  You understand that plus minus means that he was on for 40 goals for and 27 against at 5v5.  That's a ton.

Those stats that I am focusing on too much are what tells you if you are outplaying the opposition or they are outplaying you.  Every player in the league is on the ice for both goals against and goals for, being on the ice for more goals for than against puts you ahead of the game.   That's actually how you win hockey games.  That's why this team is sucking so badly, we have literally 3 players with a plus minus higher than 1.    You are also not taking into account that those guys are spending the most TOI of all their forwards so of course they see their goals against go up.  What matters is that they get more goals for than against, and they are getting that job done handily.

50 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

Barrie is an offensive D-man that bleeds goals even strength.  

The goal differential is deceiving isn't it.  Have a few 7-1 games and it looks like your team is killing it.

You see that's the point.  That is not what is happening, they are winning most of their games.  Regardless of what the scores are they are still winning.  And winning a few 7-1 games really does mean your team is killing it, because they aren't losing a lot of games by those scores either.  I think your problem is you are letting your dislike for their team cloud your judgement.  They really are a good team now, and no amount of pouting or deflecting on this forum will change that.  We can't ignore that fact because all it does is give us a false sense of superiority and a blind faith that all is well here, because it truly isn't.  While we sit here on our high horses chastising every thing they do as nothing more than trivial or outright awful we are in very real danger of becoming the very thing they were and falsely claim they still are.  While we sit here on our hands doing nothing that team has made the changes.  They have replaced the personnel, found the right players, and have removed the rot.  They are the ones winning now, yet here this team sits, standing pat and losing.

[travel_dude]

19 hours ago, bigfaninlethbridge said:

You see that's the point.  That is not what is happening, they are winning most of their games.  Regardless of what the scores are they are still winning.  And winning a few 7-1 games really does mean your team is killing it, because they aren't losing a lot of games by those scores either.  I think your problem is you are letting your dislike for their team cloud your judgement.  They really are a good team now, and no amount of pouting or deflecting on this forum will change that.  We can't ignore that fact because all it does is give us a false sense of superiority and a blind faith that all is well here, because it truly isn't.  While we sit here on our high horses chastising every thing they do as nothing more than trivial or outright awful we are in very real danger of becoming the very thing they were and falsely claim they still are.  While we sit here on our hands doing nothing that team has made the changes.  They have replaced the personnel, found the right players, and have removed the rot.  They are the ones winning now, yet here this team sits, standing pat and losing.

 

I think you are really losing sight of what actually happened this year for them.  You pointed to goal differential as proof, yet there are 3 games (7-1, 7-1 and 6-2) that push them into a positive goal differential.  Take away the Ottawa games and what are they, 2 above 500.  That's not a playoff pace.  Lucky to get Ottawa when their goaltending was reeling.  It matters not whether I like the Oilers or not.  I see what I see.  A team with no depth.  You suggest they have found the right players?  4 players doing all the scoring and a lot of PP goals,  4 players above 10 goals.  

 

Full circle, coming back to what I said in January....

The same problems they had last year are still there.

Smith has propped up the win/loss record by coming in fresh in a short season.

So, they didn't fix goaltending.

Kahun, Turris and Shore didn't move the needle.

Barrie brings PP scoring but little else.

Big signings.

Bear and Jones took a step back defensively.

Poolparty and Yammer both are surviving on the backs of the top 2.

Does that seem like a team that has it figured out?

Or a team with little depth that will be golfing soon enough?

 

Toronto and Winnipeg are the true contenders in this division.  Oilers need to model their team more like them.  Depth.  Team game.  Win when your top players are shut down.  Win without the PP being the only deciding factor.  Some days the Oilers can't even roll 3 lines.  Praise them for having the top 2 in NHL scoring if you like, but there isn't much else there to look at.      

[bigfaninlethbridge]

2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I think you are really losing sight of what actually happened this year for them.  You pointed to goal differential as proof, yet there are 3 games (7-1, 7-1 and 6-2) that push them into a positive goal differential.  Take away the Ottawa games and what are they, 2 above 500.  That's not a playoff pace.  Lucky to get Ottawa when their goaltending was reeling.  It matters not whether I like the Oilers or not.  I see what I see.  A team with no depth.  You suggest they have found the right players?  4 players doing all the scoring and a lot of PP goals,  4 players above 10 goals.  

I think it's you who has lost sight.  I just looked it up, and frankly you should really actually examine your stats before posting them.  Do you know how many teams in the entire league have 4 or more players with more than 10 goals?  10.  Not even a third of the league, and yes you are right Edmonton is one of them. As of right now in the league there are exactly 92 players with more than 10 goals this year.  That equates to an average of 2.96 players per team with a goal count of more than 10.  The Oilers have in fact a HIGHER number of players with more than 10 goals than the league average.  You know how many our team has??  1.  Yes, ONE. 

Now as far as Ottawa, ask any other team in the North if Ottawa is a pushover like you say.  Every one of them except Edmonton will say that they had their hands full with Ottawa.  If you take away their losses to Edmonton they'd be at 13 and 12 right now, over 500 hockey and good for 5th and challenging for a playoff spot... way above us. 

I agree you see what you see, but you are seeing it with blinders.  You are letting your hate and envy cloud your judgement.  Instead of striving to chastise them, we should be looking at ways to improve from them.  That's how winning teams are built. 

 

2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

Full circle, coming back to what I said in January....

The same problems they had last year are still there.

Smith has propped up the win/loss record by coming in fresh in a short season.

So, they didn't fix goaltending.

This I completely agree with, and they've had that problem for decades, ever since lucking out with Roloson.  In fact they don't develop or find goaltenders worth a fiddlers you know what in that organization.

 

2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

Kahun, Turris and Shore didn't move the needle.

Shore is new, but Turris is a dud.  Doesn't every team sign duds from time to time?  Unless you think we are just plain perfect in that regard?

 

2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

Barrie brings PP scoring but little else.

Big signings.

Bear and Jones took a step back defensively.

Poolparty and Yammer both are surviving on the backs of the top 2.

Does that seem like a team that has it figured out?

Or a team with little depth that will be golfing soon enough?

Again you aren't doing your research.  Barrie has more ES points than PP points, 18 vs 14.  Both Bear and Jones are still VERY young for defenders.  I'm sure you know that the overwhelming majority of defenders don't really become their best until late 20's.  Besides the only regression they seem to have taken was to start the year.  They've certainly cleaned their game up in the last 20 games.   JP(won't even bother trying to spell his name) and Yamoto are both top 8 in their scoring so I wouldn't worry about them either.

 

It seems like a team that has figured it out a hell of a lot better than ours has.  I proved it above, they spread scoring out better than the league average yet here you sit chastising them for only having two guys who score.  It's wrong, and I tell you what they are loving it because while we focus all of our sights on the big two, the other guys are finishing off the dirty work.  It's a fallacy that they don't have secondary scoring.   Are they as deep as some teams?  nope not at all and that is going to show in the playoffs for sure.  But it's very shortsighted to discount them completely because as a whole they are better than or keep pace with almost every team in the league for secondary scoring. 

2 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

Toronto and Winnipeg are the true contenders in this division.  Oilers need to model their team more like them.  Depth.  Team game.  Win when your top players are shut down.  Win without the PP being the only deciding factor.  Some days the Oilers can't even roll 3 lines.  Praise them for having the top 2 in NHL scoring if you like, but there isn't much else there to look at.      

Winnipeg is probably the deepest team in the league.. everybody should try to model themselves after that team.  They are ridiculous.  Toronto IMO is playing above their heads, they are not as deep as the peg, or even Montreal in my opinion.  While you chastise Edmonton for lack of scoring depth, Toronto has 21 players with 5 or less goals on their roster.  And you think THAT should be a model to follow?  The only other team in the North division with more is Ottawa.  For reference, Calgary has 18 players with 5 or less goals, Edmonton has 17.  Again, you should do your research first. 

We can continue to hate the Oilers all we want, after all it is in our blood.  But it's blind partisanship to just discount them and say they are not building their team better than us, because they are.  We are falling behind, and not just against them. 

[jjgallow]

Oilers suck.

[jjgallow]

On 3/30/2021 at 1:10 PM, McInnisslapshotothehead said:

This did not age well ... 😐

 

Nothing ages until playoffs start.