AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, travel_dude said: I don't like the isea of losing a 1st rounder, but how much do you pay to get a top 4 these days. Taylor Hall? Backlund? Eberle brought back a marginal top 6 player, and he should be worth at least a 1st and 2nd. The best part is that the Oiler fans will lose their crap about this. Trade a top RW to the same team that traded us Hamonic. They wanted him more than Russell. Thats the way I look at it, we either go into next season with a marginal top 4 d man or we trade for someone like hamonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, JTech780 said: How does that one play out if we make the playoffs. Conditional 2nd for Smith...COnfused. EDIT - We need to do something about the forward pool. Unless Shink and Poirier step up big time, we have another year of not graduating forwards. Ooops, forgot about Janko. But still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu11 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, JTech780 said: This deal allows Calgary to go young on the 3rd pairing. Kulak and Andersson with Bartkowski filling in. Yeah at least one young guy should be there. And maybe a cheap veteran. Also means that Stone is not coming back unless he signs fo rmuch less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 iam to travel it is ok we can be confused together and sing coombyaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manu11 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, travel_dude said: How does that one play out if we make the playoffs. Conditional 2nd for Smith...COnfused. Yeah, something doesn't add up unless that cond. pick for Smith was a 2019 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, cross16 said: I think most people overrate the Flames prospect pool. It's good but it's not great. If I had more faith in their ability to find undrafted free agents and recoup those picks I'd be more understanding but the flames have not been successful in this area. I think you also overrate how easy it is to get top 60 picks back. Unless the Flames want to deal a core member I don't think you will see those picks come back. I think Treliving is pushing his chips in too quickly here and I don't like that he is pushing chips in anyway. I don't believe you win a cup or contend for a long time dealing away this many picks. Thats fair. I dont think this is the end of the world though, definatly will affect us. But with that top 4 we should be contending, If we dont theres a bigger issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 They said on the draft floor that basically They paid the same thing for hamonic that they did for hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 cause 2 of the Draft picks are conditional picks the fourth is a conditional and one the 2nd round draft pick are conditional aswell So we gave a 2nd and a first for hamonic when they wanted 2 firsts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Apparantly hamonic was playing with a broken hand last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, manu11 said: Yeah, something doesn't add up unless that cond. pick for Smith was a 2019 pick. The Smith one I understand was choice of 18 or 19, so theyve now confirmed it wont be 18 (going to NYI now) and in the NYI deal its 19 or 20.. so im guessing thats now saying if we miss the playoffs in 19, NYI gets it then .. if we make the playoffs they get it in 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, The_Snowbear said: They said on the draft floor that basically They paid the same thing for hamonic that they did for hamilton Similar, but different years. 2018 1st and 2nd 2019 or 2020 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, AlbertaBoy12 said: Thats fair. I dont think this is the end of the world though, definatly will affect us. But with that top 4 we should be contending, If we dont theres a bigger issue. Its not the end of the world no, but it's a really big risk and one I'm just not convinced the organization was ready for. I'd feel much better about it if the price on smith wasn't so high too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, cross16 said: Its not the end of the world no, but it's a really big risk and one I'm just not convinced the organization was ready for. I'd feel much better about it if the price on smith wasn't so high too. I definatly agree with you, hopefully it pays off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Yeah but at the same time 2 of those pick travel are conditional and no idea what those conditions are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, phoenix66 said: The Smith one I understand was choice of 18 or 19, so theyve now confirmed it wont be 18 (going to NYI now) and in the NYI deal its 19 or 20.. so im guessing thats now saying if we miss the playoffs in 19, NYI gets it then .. if we make the playoffs they get it in 20 Ok, that makes perfect sense. If the 2nd is gone n 19 (Smith), then the pick goes to 2020. Weird how the condition of makng the playoffs happens one year, while the pick moves to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, cross16 said: Its not the end of the world no, but it's a really big risk and one I'm just not convinced the organization was ready for. I'd feel much better about it if the price on smith wasn't so high too. The Smith one hurt more, in my opinion. BY itself, the Hamonic trade is not so bad. Combine the two makes them both look worse. Saying that, I am pretty high on the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 So we now have a better defense than Nashville, similar goaltending, and better offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Im more happy that tre was able to talk him down from 2 1st to 1st and a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, cross16 said: Its not the end of the world no, but it's a really big risk and one I'm just not convinced the organization was ready for. I'd feel much better about it if the price on smith wasn't so high too. was it though? To get Raanta , AZ basically had to take on a bad contract AND give up the #7 pick and a top D prospect. Again , I love Raanta , but its unproven whether he can handle a starters load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just Seems this Year the price is high For decent Players if you want a Good Goalie or Player it will cost you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Dont forget All Arizona is Paying a portion of smiths contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: was it though? To get Raanta , AZ basically had to take on a bad contract AND give up the #7 pick and a top D prospect. Again , I love Raanta , but its unproven whether he can handle a starters load It was. A good d prospect and a 2 round pick for an average 35 year old starting goalie is a high price. But there are other threads for this and we've already debated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, JTech780 said: So we now have a better defense than Nashville, similar goaltending, and better offense. The good thing is that 3/4 of the top 4 is 27 or younger. And its not like we have no D prospects waiting in the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, The_Snowbear said: Im more happy that tre was able to talk him down from 2 1st to 1st and a second New York paid a 15th overall and a 2019 2nd rounder to allow NYI to protect Hamonic. We paid them 1 1st and one extra 2nd to take him. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 Well looked at our cap space were at 59mil cause were only paying four.5 mill on smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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