The Official Calgary Flames "New Arena" thread

[cross16]

New renderings being released for the Events Center. Shows plans for the exterior. 

 

https://calgary.skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/calgary-event-centre.29262/page-67#post-1751403

 

Basic rendering of the interior to show the different levels

 

 

[Horsman1]

On 8/7/2021 at 9:43 PM, DirtyDeeds said:

I would say 1986 playoffs were the loudest. I was there but have no other comparisons to go by.

Flames games used to be really entertaining with Susan Smith kicking off the anthem and characters such as Lanny and Bearcat  ans mike Toth and Lounsebury and Flames t.v. and Electric Ave.. Now we have.... Goorge Canyon

[flames-fan-in-jets-land]

13 hours ago, Horsman1 said:

Flames games used to be really entertaining with Susan Smith kicking off the anthem and characters such as Lanny and Bearcat  ans mike Toth and Lounsebury and Flames t.v. and Electric Ave.. Now we have.... Goorge Canyon

I cant remember which team is doing it but somewhere theyre just letting the crowd sing the anthem before every game. 

 

The Sabres idea of every player choosing a goal song is a neat idea too.

 

As for the updated design, I like it. Not too over the top but more than just a box. The amenities will be what counts.

[travel_dude]

Sounds like the arena deal is dead.

 

https://flamesnation.ca/2021/12/21/calgary-flames-ownership-intends-to-pull-the-plug-on-arena-deal-over-costs/

 

New costs were identified by city, climate mitigations and sidealks/right of ways adding 16.1m

Ciry would contribute 6.4 and Flames asked to add 9.7m..

Edwards decided to walk away from the deal.

 

Not sure what the future of the arena is at this point.

[medatswhoP]

Why not just put a Super Casino in it, seems Calgarians can cough up millions in donating to the bells and lights in there. 

Of course kidding, People who want to live in a big city and not expect to have sports teams is ridiculous, lets not have concerts halls either then, or Zoo's, or Space centers etc.  I agree tax dollars need to be in good order but without big events in big city's doesn't make sense either.

The problem is these rich owners, players, and billionaires who extort every penny from civilians expect us to always pony up the money.

"If you build it, they will come"  (Field of Dreams 1989)  Go Flames.

[jjgallow]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

Sounds like the arena deal is dead.

 

https://flamesnation.ca/2021/12/21/calgary-flames-ownership-intends-to-pull-the-plug-on-arena-deal-over-costs/

 

New costs were identified by city, climate mitigations and sidealks/right of ways adding 16.1m

Ciry would contribute 6.4 and Flames asked to add 9.7m..

Edwards decided to walk away from the deal.

 

Not sure what the future of the arena is at this point.

 

feels to make like posturing.   Plus all the NHL teams are bleeding right now so gun shy.

 

Honestly, lol...I still like the Dome.

[travel_dude]

The leftist mayor isn't helping the situation.

Not that the costs she identified are out to lunch, but they also seem to be surprises.

She said she was against the last deal signed, so was this th way to get out of it?

I'm sure they will spend a lot of tax dollars on things that don't benefit the city.

 

Edwards can move the team to a place that will build and pay for an arena.

Hello Edmonton South (Houston).

 

[conundrumed]

11 hours ago, medatswhoP said:

Why not just put a Super Casino in it, seems Calgarians can cough up millions in donating to the bells and lights in there. 

Of course kidding, People who want to live in a big city and not expect to have sports teams is ridiculous, lets not have concerts halls either then, or Zoo's, or Space centers etc.  I agree tax dollars need to be in good order but without big events in big city's doesn't make sense either.

The problem is these rich owners, players, and billionaires who extort every penny from civilians expect us to always pony up the money.

"If you build it, they will come"  (Field of Dreams 1989)  Go Flames.

Not really kidding when you are 100% correct.

Call it a, "Arts & Entertainment Centre" and watch the philanthropists come running. Suddenly you're building a $1.5bil complex with everything from hockey to world-class theatre and a National Art Gallery.

[jjgallow]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

The leftist mayor isn't helping the situation.

Not that the costs she identified are out to lunch, but they also seem to be surprises.

She said she was against the last deal signed, so was this th way to get out of it?

I'm sure they will spend a lot of tax dollars on things that don't benefit the city.

 

Edwards can move the team to a place that will build and pay for an arena.

Hello Edmonton South (Houston).

 

 

Not helping it all no, that's what you get.

 

Now, I was never actually a fan of the new arena..   And quite honestly it's kind of ugly.   

 

But

 

It's not that the Flames can't afford the $6m.    

 

They can't afford to do business with someone who arbitrarily changes the costs of the project whenever they want, and without any scope change, because they are of the political slant that they believe this is how contracts are handled with corporations.

 

To be fair to the lefties, not all lefties are bad at business.  You can be a little left of center and still get a deal done.   But this to me looks like bad business.   Someone who doesn't respect that a deal is a deal, and wants to quable about small amounts to push their own agenda that they think is more important than honouring agreements.  Someone who tattle-tails on twitter about something that They themselves initiated.   Maybe too far left, or maybe just too pure a politician?

 

either way...

[travel_dude]

38 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

Not helping it all no, that's what you get.

 

Now, I was never actually a fan of the new arena..   And quite honestly it's kind of ugly.   

 

But

 

It's not that the Flames can't afford the $6m.    

 

They can't afford to do business with someone who arbitrarily changes the costs of the project whenever they want, and without any scope change, because they are of the political slant that they believe this is how contracts are handled with corporations.

 

To be fair to the lefties, not all lefties are bad at business.  You can be a little left of center and still get a deal done.   But this to me looks like bad business.   Someone who doesn't respect that a deal is a deal, and wants to quable about small amounts to push their own agenda that they think is more important than honouring agreements.  Someone who tattle-tails on twitter about something that They themselves initiated.   Maybe too far left, or maybe just too pure a politician?

 

either way...

 

A true leftist would pay the entire shot to bring the quality of life to Calgarians.

I made the left reference as to adding some unknown green agenda to the cost.

Much like the fed minister having an agenda.

Not part of the deal that council approved (and she didn't like).

It's quite possible that CSEC would have cancelled the deal over supply chain issues driving up the cost.

And they would need to cover that.

 

I'm not here to argue the vitues or folly of green energy.

Or climate mitigation, whatever that means.

Cut a cheque to China businesses who will own all the materials needed for the green economy.

$4m will become $12m, so I can understand walking away.

 

[jjgallow]

18 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

A true leftist would pay the entire shot to bring the quality of life to Calgarians.

I made the left reference as to adding some unknown green agenda to the cost.

Much like the fed minister having an agenda.

Not part of the deal that council approved (and she didn't like).

It's quite possible that CSEC would have cancelled the deal over supply chain issues driving up the cost.

And they would need to cover that.

 

I'm not here to argue the vitues or folly of green energy.

Or climate mitigation, whatever that means.

Cut a cheque to China businesses who will own all the materials needed for the green economy.

$4m will become $12m, so I can understand walking away.

 

 

fair enough.

 

but just to add a bit of fun cospiracy, a true , true, true leftist would in fact kill the deal over something trivial and then build the whole arena with taxpayer money at 5x the cost.  lol

[Heartbreaker]

I do find myself to be a bit perturbed by Flames ownership. That's not to say that I am always inclined to side with the mayor, because I don't like the path that leads down either, but my thoughts are thus:

 

• The Flames are in the business of making money, and they are a very profitable franchise. If they weren't they would have been sold, or would have folded years ago.
• Murray Edwards, philanthropic as he may be, now lives offshore so that he can avoid paying certain taxes. In spite of this, there's an expectation that Calgarians - that do pay taxes - are going to pony up so that his profitable business can continue to operate in this city.

It feels like a lot of posturing to me, but gawd, that guy gets on my nerves.

 

Love.

[redfire11]

I think the Flames ownership realizes that until this plandemic ends they will be operating at a huge loss. The new Calgary mayor just gave them an out.

[The_People1]

Too bad I'm not a billionaire yet from my crypto investments or I would buy the Flames and build the arena myself.

[sak22]

15 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

Too bad I'm not a billionaire yet from my crypto investments or I would buy the Flames and build the arena myself.

Sure you would.

[redfire11]

20 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

Too bad I'm not a billionaire yet from my crypto investments or I would buy the Flames and build the arena myself.

After attaining the status of billionaire the next goal is multi billionaire not retreating back to millionaire.

[jjgallow]

2 hours ago, The_People1 said:

Too bad I'm not a billionaire yet from my crypto investments or I would buy the Flames and build the arena myself.

 

a nicer looking one

[jjgallow]

2 hours ago, Heartbreaker said:

I do find myself to be a bit perturbed by Flames ownership. That's not to say that I am always inclined to side with the mayor, because I don't like the path that leads down either, but my thoughts are thus:

 

• The Flames are in the business of making money, and they are a very profitable franchise. If they weren't they would have been sold, or would have folded years ago.
• Murray Edwards, philanthropic as he may be, now lives offshore so that he can avoid paying certain taxes. In spite of this, there's an expectation that Calgarians - that do pay taxes - are going to pony up so that his profitable business can continue to operate in this city.

It feels like a lot of posturing to me, but gawd, that guy gets on my nerves.

 

Love.

 

I agree that both sides need to be ridiculous for this to happen.

 

I have some second-hand stories of Edwards as well from people in the service industry, multiple people from hair cutting to waitress, to the tune of not being tipped or in some cases paid.

 

Not having been in the service industry myself for a couple decades, I don't know how accurate these stories are but man do they ever seem on the mark today.

 

Seriously if either side was even remotely reasonable humans this would not be a thing.

 

 

But let's not fret.   Here's how I see this.

 

1.  It's most likely posturing, and nothing.    Just an inexperienced and foolish Mayor jostling for importance with high brow entitled owners who are eying current inflation in construction costs.     
     And, if it's something:

 

2.  Calgary will Always have an NHL team.  I could care less what this particular corporation threatens or does do.

 

3.  I have spent a lot of time on here complaining about GMs.  What else can I do?
     It's been pointed out to me that much of what I blame the GMs for may actually be ownership issues.
      I don't disagree.
      Are we worse off if the current ownership or part of the current non-taxpaying ownership moves on?
           Highly unlikely we have anything to lose here.

 

4.  Many are assuming that a cancellation of the event center means ownership is leaving.
       I don't think we can assume that.   
       Ownership is more likely gun-shy because of:
             -Rising construction costs
             -Lower forecast attendance for Years, post-covid world,  the world has gone online.
             -There was nothing actually wrong with the Saddledome this isn't a Garth Brooks concert

 

5.  It's possible that new ownership would fix our website.

[redfire11]

28 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

It's possible that new ownership would fix our website.

HAHA probably in the same realm of luck that Peeps becomes a crypto billionaire.

[sak22]

1 hour ago, jjgallow said:

             -There was nothing actually wrong with the Saddledome this isn't a Garth Brooks concert

 

If you hate lineups and enjoy personal space (which will be the majority of humans in the not too distant future), or want to have other artists besides Garth Brooks or Eric Church come to town, then there is plenty of wrong with the Saddledome.  

[The_People1]

3 hours ago, sak22 said:

Sure you would.

 

And then I would tank for the highest pick... 😏

[The_People1]

3 hours ago, redfire11 said:

After attaining the status of billionaire the next goal is multi billionaire not retreating back to millionaire.

 

How to become a millionaire with crypto?

 

Well first, you start as a billionaire... 

[The_People1]

1 hour ago, jjgallow said:

 

2.  Calgary will Always have an NHL team.  I could care less what this particular corporation threatens or does do.

 

I'm worried though.  Houston is building an NHL arena as we speak, right?  Quebec City also wants a team back.

 

The Flames might move... And Calgary has no team for years until we build a new arena.

 

And then the Coyotes can move here and we get Chychrun... kidding

 

But ya, there are reasons to be concerned as a Calgarian.  

[travel_dude]

7 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I'm worried though.  Houston is building an NHL arena as we speak, right?  Quebec City also wants a team back.

 

The Flames might move... And Calgary has no team for years until we build a new arena.

 

And then the Coyotes can move here and we get Chychrun... kidding

 

But ya, there are reasons to be concerned as a Calgarian.  

 

It may be posturing, but Bean is saying that they have to go through a process to terminate the deal.

Mayor seems to think that she just needs to wait till they come back with the chequebook and pay it.

Whether it's a good or bad deal for either side, it was a deal.

This wasn't a "send the deal with several blank lines to be filled in later".

Nobody other than a fed gov't would agree to something like that.

 

What I wonder is who decided this approach to the costs?

Was it the mayor and does she have the ability to negotiate outside council?

Sounds pretty left field (excuse the left reference) to me.

We have a deal, now lets see what else you should pay for on top of the deal.

[jjgallow]

56 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I'm worried though.  Houston is building an NHL arena as we speak, right?  Quebec City also wants a team back.

 

The Flames might move... And Calgary has no team for years until we build a new arena.

 

And then the Coyotes can move here and we get Chychrun... kidding

 

But ya, there are reasons to be concerned as a Calgarian.  

 

Lol right?   At the end of the day, hockey is profitable here.   It may never be in Phoenix, or Houston.

 

They can build all the arenas they want, most revenues are moving to licensing, broadcasting, ppv, streaming.

 

And we watch hockey.  

 

Even bad hockey.

 

There is only enough here for drama, there's not enough to stop having an NHL team.  Yeah I wouldn't mind in the slightest if they moved to Houston and we got Phoenix's franchise.    It won't happen but it wouldn't bother me.