The_People1 Posted January 9, 2015 Report Share Posted January 9, 2015 Ortio up with the Flames now, http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=747652 Hoping he gets to play a game. Always a chance. I just looked at the schedule. Flames play back to back today and tomorrow. No other back to back game for awhile after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 What an amazing display of goal tending tonight. I guess Montoya was not as bad as Hiller. Looked like Oiler's 2.0 tonight, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I would be shocked if Ortio wasn't starting tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xstrike Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I would be shocked if Ortio wasn't starting tomorrow. Steinberg thinks it will be Hiller because he can't have a second bad night and will bounce back. He also thinks that Hiller gives us a better chance to win and Ortio might be tired from travel. I don't know how much of that I agree with, but those are his thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hiller has been our goalie this year, can't argue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Argus Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 All I can say is that I wish Ramo wasn't injured, because Hiller does not deserve to play after that display tonight. Granted, he was far from the only problem (e.g., our third pairing D once again could not defend their way out of a wet paper bag), but, I mean, yikes -- that was all sorts of ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Steinberg thinks it will be Hiller because he can't have a second bad night and will bounce back. He also thinks that Hiller gives us a better chance to win and Ortio might be tired from travel. I don't know how much of that I agree with, but those are his thoughts. Hiller hasn't been good for week IMO. His rebound control has been horrendous he's just gotten lucky with certain bounces and the flames playing well in front of him but it's been a while since I would say hiller has played well. I agree he probably will go again tonight which is too bad but this is turning into Berra last year where Hartley is riding one guy whether or not that guy actually deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Hopefully it's one of those times where it's beneficial to let your goalie play through a rough patch. The "hot hand" philosophy can sometimes be a bad thing when you yank your goalie after a loss. It can play to a goalies psyche to leave the perception that the goals are his fault. Did anyone not see that 6th goal coming? The goalie can't do much when the team is getting hemmed in and don't fight tooth and nail to clear the zone. That was a skater's loss for taking a break upon tying it up. The Panther's look like the Flames of the east, that was a hard-working win for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Smid and Engelland are a TERRIBLE pairing. Worse, when they are playing poorly more of the burden falls on the Wideman Russell pairing and they are exposed. You can't really split them up because neither can play off the bottom pair. Either player is fine (barely) on the bottom pairing when with a mobile and competent partner. But they can't play together. But yes, Hiller was terrible last night as well. He is allowed a bad one once in awhile though. But it's the second of a back to back tonight. Give Ortio the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Give Ortio the start. Well it's about time Can't wait for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulstad Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Personally, I was hoping Ortio would get the start last night, and Hiller would play against VAN today. But after hearing about his "travel adventures" yesterday, I'm surprised Ortio made it to the bench on time for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I agree whole heartedly. Put Russell with Engelland to make up for his lack of mobility and getting the puck out of our end. Put Smid with Wideman so Wideman stops running around so much. Last night was total team ugly, no one was skating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 For the record, I'm not a fan of starting Ortio on National TV against on of our biggest rivals, not for his 1st game up. If it went well, that would be great, but not great enough to counter the if it goes badly risk. If it weren't on National tv, I freely admit, I'd feel differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 For the record, I'm not a fan of starting Ortio on National TV against on of our biggest rivals, not for his 1st game up. If it went well, that would be great, but not great enough to counter the if it goes badly risk. If it weren't on National tv, I freely admit, I'd feel differently. Can he play any worse than what we witnessed last night. If this kid is suppose to be a building piece moving forward best he get use to high pressure games early. I say put Ortio in, leave Hiller on the bench, he has not been good the last few games anyway. We have lost 2 games we should have with him in net anyway. Maybe Orio may create a better spark for the team as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Because the team has elevated our expectations, we have elevated expectations. I guess that's not the worst thing in the world. But the team has to be better than Van in general, not just the goalie. Hiller's our goalie, not an IR call-up. It's his responsibility to win these games. Not Ortio's, not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I agree whole team was bad last night, however 3 goals from poor tending is unacceptable. It seems he tends to allow some pretty bad goals as of late. My point is the team may be a little sharper knowing the have to protect the house better with a new goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tincup1 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 I'm also hoping to see Ortio tonight. Hiller looked lost last night and has earned a well deserved rest. Ortio is not a kid anymore and needs an opportunity to come in a steal a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Update for tonight's game: Let's hope he can fillet some fish!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tincup1 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Fantastic performance by Ortio ! This should make things interesting come trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Gotta say I love being wrong, good hard fought team win. Gave up lots of shots, but not huge chances. Backlund is really something, he's been our best player since returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 It may only be one game, but imho this changes everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 It may only be one game, but imho this changes everything JJ, you are like the sun coming up in the morning. Always expected. Ramo's b2b shutouts didn't change a thing. Both Ramo's and Ortio shutouts were great, but getting past being a backup or a callup requires a lot more. And they need to win more than one of one. They need to go 4/7 at least to be considered consistent. I hope Joni has turned the corner this year. It would be nice to rely less on Hiller. I am sure Hiller is probably looking at the kid as competition (oh no, another 3 goalie situation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Both Ramo's and Ortio shutouts were great, but getting past being a backup or a callup requires a lot more. Not sure Ramo has anything to do with last night's game, but: Ramo quite frankly hasn't been very good, in NHL, period. Some flashes of brilliance diluted in an ocean of inconsistency. On one hand, Ortio's performance was only one game. On the other hand, it is consistent with his play since October, and his overall development curve. I think we need to decide something: With Ramo, he'll have a bad stretch of games as a 29 year old. We'll say: He need to play more and he'll get better. With Ortio, he now has 10 NHL games under his belt, has beat out most of our regulars in those games, and has shown steady improvement (including this recent shutout). Our response to the shutout cannot be "it was just one game". Ortio's been a full time goaltender in our system for a long time now, and last night's performance should not come as a shock. It wasn't just one game. The question is: If we really believe that the poor play of a 29 year old Ramo will improve if we just keep throwing games at him... What will happen if we throw those games at a 23 year old who's already playing better than him? Just wondering.... Anyway, it's really not about Ramo. It's about Hiller and Ortio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 Ramo may not have anything to do with lots nights game. But he does with this everything you speak of. It was one game. Let's see number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 The Canucks hit 4 goal posts, if my count is right. There was some luck involved in his shutout. Not trying to be negative. Just saying we should see a few more games first, which I agree everyone else is saying too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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