phoenix66

March 6

5 hours ago, The_People1 said:

You literally said it's "solid" one post earlier?

To me solid means .ok..fair .. I suspect were looking at a return slightly above Tanev, but not as good as Lindholm.. he SHOULD be a better return than Lindholm

March 6

6 hours ago, cross16 said:

Where did I say that? I’ve simply said I don’t think there is a robust market out there. Think the rumored offer shows that. It isn’t a great return imo

If that is Actually the offer then that would be solid for sure .

March 6

2 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

The politics. I get it. But to a degree though. No doubt Conroy will try to accommodate Hanifin because that's the right thing to do on a human level. But Brisson and Hanifin have contractual obligations too. It's fair game if Conroy doesn't like the returns from TB. Brisson and Hanifin need to understand from a professional perspective or else the bad actor here is them, not Conroy. The league will see it.

Oh totally in the end he won't trade him to one of his team's just to be good to the player .. it will be because they had the best offer .. just the other offers are being pushed down ..

March 6

1 minute ago, The_People1 said:

But you gotta wonder. You rescue a player from a non-playoff team to a contender and he doesn't want to play? He is going to sit and pout until summer when he has a chance to win the Cup? Why would TB and FLA sign a quitter like Hanifin if that's what Hanifin tries to do?

Pulling an immature stunt like this will cost Hanifin millions and won't make him attractive to the destination he wants to go?

How bought in does Lindholm look in VCR right now? I only partially blame Hanifin.. his agent makes more money if he gets the 8th year

Think.. how much do you think Alan Walsh works to get his clients to Vegas these days ? You get on an agents bad side and suddenly negotiations go bad .. free agents are steered away from your team .. and Brisson carries a lot of clout

March 6

10 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

Trues. But in the end, the highest bidder wins.

Hanifin is also doing himself a disservice because UFA is in a couple months and he's cornered himself into two teams. Not different from Gaudreau who wanted to play in PHI but PHI was capped out.

FLA cannot afford him when they have to spend the cap room on Reinhart, Forsling, Montour, etc. So TB can offer Hanifin $5-mil x 7-years take it or leave it.

It becomes an issue when the non wanted teams are now only offering you late rounders and scrub prospects because the agent has soured them on making an offer thats better than the preferred teams offer ..and they are all teams that have nothing to give ..

If you are a non preferred team..not only are you getting a player that 💯 will not sign with you . You're getting with no internet in playing For you.. you wanna go to war with that guy ? Say hello to 3rd rounders and B prospects

Im hoping Connie finds a way to put these preferred teams (all Atlantic div teams) against each other playing keep away , or , telling you now, we will hear the return and say WTF.. because you can guarantee it will have been the best offer he takes

March 6

1 minute ago, cross16 said:

I think that return goes down quite a bit if your agent is telling that team the player doesn't want to be there.

I'm not giving up a 1, 2, 3 for a player to come and be unhappy. Rental or no rental.

or implies that the next negotiation with another of his clients might not go so well ....

March 6

Man this is getting ugly...

March 6

14 minutes ago, cberg said:

Thanks for sharing what you really feel. Have to agree the TBay leaks is a real problem and should not be happening. Yeah, seems like locker room issues go way deeper than we thought.

I'm suddenly really intrigued ..to see how this turns out . If you can get the podcast from today for the flames talk on 960, with Frank seravilli.. they go to town on him and his agent .. never realized his agent is Pat Brisson.. probabaly the agent with the biggest NHL portfolio.. it there's a slimy trick to be played ..he knows it .. Conny is in a dogfight

March 6

Just now, Thebrewcrew said:

The idea is Cirelli is really interesting. He’s not a cap dump, but he is probably overpaid for being a 40pt guy on average. Same birth year as Hanifin so it’s not like you’re getting older.

Stamkos might be gone as UFA, but Hagen jumps to 6.5. Can only have so many guys making 6 before you need to move some, which is why I could see the Lightning as willing to move Cirelli. Paul can play his role

too bad we cant bring Point home lol

March 6

FWIW---just listened to FS on Flames talk .. debunks that any extension has been agreed to ..says TB has not ( to the best of his knowledge ) had permission to even speak with Hanifin yet -- and was actually ripping both he and his agent over the fact they are attempting to handcuff and direct traffic .. says like I said , you will go where we send you thats best for the Flames return

which , even tho its Frank.. makes sense-- typically the deal is agreed to .. THEN they get permission to speak to the agent/ player ... not the other way around ..

March 5

Just now, The_People1 said:

It has to start with the 2026 1st round pick. If we can get that, then that's a basis for a deal. Anything short of a 1st + mid-prospect + NHL player is unacceptable.

I'll say I'm intrigued to see how they pull something out of nothing ..if its weak then you know they were handcuffed by the agent

March 5

7 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

The contract isn’t great, but I wonder if Tampa would want Calgary to take Cirelli. Fills a need.

If Hanifin is getting an extension, you would think the Flames would be getting Isaac Howard in return. I’m not all that high on him, but he’s their top prospect.

I've actually heard good things on him , Id be ok with him IN the deal ....

March 5

1 minute ago, sak22 said:

I find it weird that you of all people don't get excited about that.

Right ? lets find how good Dansk really is too... teach Hubie and Kuzmenko how to kill penalties at the same time

March 5

9 minutes ago, bosn111 said:

I, maybe Hanley or Grushnikov will shine a bit as well.

TBH, the last trade made me envision a future pair of Grushnikov and that Brz kid from the Vancouver trade .. good offset of top offense and top defense ..much like a Tanev / Kyllington pair

March 5

23 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

Needed defensive depth, so claiming Hanley makes sense. Hanley makes league minimum and is signed for next year. He is 32, so I am guessing this is strictly a depth pick up.

cool..l saw him on waivers and thought he might make some sense

actually was just wondering too how Psyk was doing in the A.. he might be close to a callup option too

March 5

9 minutes ago, cross16 said:

Signed an extension 2 months ago and got a promotion. He isn't going anywhere.

So did Ruff ..LOL

March 5

Travis Green interim coach in jersey .. this is gonna be along annoying week for Markstrom rumor's again now

March 5

Here is an awesome example of context ..

People post seravilli says" Maloney and owners nixed the deal "

Here even out of his own mouth is the piece they left out .." didnt like the return for having to retain " ..suddenly a whole different context than the clickbait we read.. even I agree with that..retention has a price

March 4

4 minutes ago, cross16 said:

Devils with even league average goaltending right now are likely comfortably in the playoffs. Vezina calibre?? who knows.

Wonder how much pressure is on Fitz right now. That ownership group can't be happy hearing the rumors of being that close to acquiring a goalie like Markstrom as their season craters. Will he feel it enough to pull the trigger is now the question

but they also need to stop pulling the goalie with 5 min left , down 3 ..and forgetting to even put the 6th man on the ice

March 4

Ruff Fired Today ... ya , didnt see that coming LOL..especially after last night

March 4

1 minute ago, jjgallow said:

I'm curious what you think of the Tanev trade now though, for similar reasons now that more of the rumours have come out. Lots of talk about Edmonton offering a first, but they had to take a salary dump and wouldn't do it.

So, I mean...there does seem to potentially be a common theme here depending on who you listen to.

If I was a GM, I would for sure take on bad salaries to build up more picks. And ownership would for sure stop me. lol.

Maybe I am just reluctant to blame Conroy. I dunno. Need to see what happens with Markstrom before taking a stance.

If it makes a difference , early reviews on the D Kid have been great .. coach said he's trending to a solid #2 / #3 dman .. hits.. great skater -- excellent defender.. still learning the system but hope to see him on PK soon

we essentially took 2 2nds instead of a late first and Ceci..

March 4

1 hour ago, cross16 said:

I'm not sure this is a more vocal person here against the owners than me and i'm calling BS to this.

It makes no sense that they would nix it over salary retention and then turn around and retain on Tanev. Yes I know it's a matter of months vs 2 more years but it also makes no sense that you would let your GM have that conversation and then stop it. Do we really think Conroy went rogue here?

Feels like a lot of lines being drawn here to try and get a story. The far more likely here is that they just couldn't agree on what it cost to retain. I think the Flames put a high price on it and the Devils didn't want to meet it.

Gotta agree.. makes no sense -- ..not with the timeline etc . Normally I like Frank , but in this case he seems to want to stir things up somehow

In terms of owners , future or past My thinking is there are worse out there .. Some are cheap , some want too much control etc.. we have one that lets the Flames spend the max.. lets Hockey people make the decisions for the most part .. We likely lose the team years ago if not for him.. If he wants a bit of say over how HIS money gets spent , I really have no problem with that. Its not like he's cheap

People were upset he wasn't at the retirement ceremony .. I say so what. He's not public, never has been .. but players always say they speak to him one on one ..

March 4

2 minutes ago, sak22 said:

Phil Kessel was 2006, but to your point the 2007 draft that lottery win was huge because of what Kane became and how the rest of the top ranked guys from that year worked out and most were worse than Phil Kessel. But I generally don't like giving them too much credit nor do I give any team credit, you have to be horribly run to be the worst in the league and stay down. And despite belief around here the Flames haven't been. And I don't think they came out of the lockout signing the Bulin wall, and Cullimore from the defending champs, Adrian Aucoin who was an all star and 5th in Norris voting the previous season, and superpest Matthew Barnaby with the intention of bottoming out. And once they were coming around they signed a hall of famer to a contract that is now forbidden that gave them an extremely generous cap hit. Amazing we forget how many teams benefited from those contracts or the compliance buyouts, Tampa would still have Lecavalier on the books for another 3 years.

sorry yes you are correct ! they could have picked from Sam Gagner or Karl Alzner lol

March 4

3 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:

The problem is.....

Look at Buffalo. How has that tanking been doing for them?

Look at Flames and tell me how well we did with selling off Iggy and JBow? and who did we end up with "that plays" from those two trades and the picks?

The people who own the team don't want tanking. They want competitive team.

I actually always get a kick out of the reply being " but look at Chicago ".. well ok lets look at it

- a HOF D man in the 2nd round

- win a lottery to move up from #5 to #1 and get Patrick Kane ( could have just as easily ended up with Phil Kessel)

- pick 3rd and get Toewes, (and #1 busted that year )

- first cup involved a hot goalie that was never good again

after that, the usual and acceptable maintain process .. move picks for rentals etc .. that just normal . and when the window slams shut you start over .. all fair

too much luck involved to use as a blueprint

this could just as easily gone the Buffalo or Edm route

March 4

1 minute ago, travel_dude said:

And you have two players that have a chip. Those are the ones we know about.

Hanifin or his agent or the informed rumour mill let it be known that he wants to go to Tampa.

Neither him nor Markstom are going to show that on the ice though.

The players don't look past the games at hand, but the GM does.

Trades by this team are not meant to crater the team or the season; at least not by this team.

They are there to make the team better in the short or long term.

Trading a popular guy like Tanev sends shock waves to the team, but it was necessary.

We didn't get back Tanev, so any chance the team had went out the window.

And that was a very slim chance.

Kadri has said he doesn't want to play in a rebuild. The reality is that we are in one.

Two years in a row (since JH and MT left) and we are no closer to a playoff spot.

No closer to turning it around and being a perennial contender.

Markstrom doesn't give you 5 years of that if we started next season.

We can't turn it around in his quality years, which may be just 2.

No but Daryl once made the most brutally honest statement .. if you want to be a contender.. first you must be a perennial playoff team .. then you take the next step.. you don't just add players and say "ok time to win now".. that starts now .. playoffs are always the goal .. until they're just expected .. the only difference is that starts in the room.. you dont add players just to make the playoffs .. you add when you want that next level

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