The_People1 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, phoenix66 said: There's the rub.. people can love it ..hate it..debate it ..etc.. but the goal is playoffs every year ..they may understand there may be pains getting there .. but the goal from the organization is playoffs ..that much has not changed on the process .. the statements from Conroy and the actions to date make that pretty obvious ... Not signing or asking to leave are the only reasons they are making or have made the moves they are And that's fine. The organization can say whatever. I think fans should want the goal of the organization to be contending for the Cup, not merely making the playoffs. These two are not the same. Making the playoffs means being better than 50% of the league. Contending for the Cup takes much more planning and execution. And excuse us who suggest the Flames have long term plans at the expense of short term gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, The_People1 said: I believe Toffoli asked to talk extension but when the enthusiasm wasn't reciprocated, then he asked for a trade. So in the end, Toffoli wanted out. yes this is correct, he asked for a trade 19 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Toffoli was not a "not signing" trade. He had a certain expectation and was signed for this year. He did not ask to be traded. From a cap view alone, his future deal did not fit with the aims of the team. This also flies in the face of making the playoffs every year. The GM (and to a certain extent the owners) evaluate what kind of team they have. Half a year of team struggles does not suggest you have a team that will make the playoffs. Sometimes a GM will address the fans and tell them they are rebuilding, but most times it's just through actions. Announcing means fire sale and low prices. But anyway, who really cares what they say out loud. His actions will speak. He did ask for a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 2 minutes ago, The_People1 said: And that's fine. The organization can say whatever. I think fans should want the goal of the organization to be contending for the Cup, not merely making the playoffs. These two are not the same. Making the playoffs means being better than 50% of the league. Contending for the Cup takes much more planning and execution. And excuse us who suggest the Flames have long term plans at the expense of short term gains. I'm not saying you're wrong for wanting that, that is what these boards are for .. I'm just saying what appears the team has chosen as a path .. regardless of what we all think if Lindholm had signed his offer .. he'd be here for 8 more years .. if Hanifin had signed his , he wouldn't be on the block .. the teams intent and preference was to lock them both up.. these moves are essentially forced, not team decision .. that says to me No tear down .. no losing or being bad on purpose.. thats all I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 9 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: I'm not saying you're wrong for wanting that, that is what these boards are for .. I'm just saying what appears the team has chosen as a path .. regardless of what we all think if Lindholm had signed his offer .. he'd be here for 8 more years .. if Hanifin had signed his , he wouldn't be on the block .. the teams intent and preference was to lock them both up.. these moves are essentially forced, not team decision .. that says to me No tear down .. no losing or being bad on purpose.. thats all I'm saying Yes the team had "in the past" chosen the path as you've put it. However, Conroy also spoke about getting younger when he first took over GM. We saw the Toffoli for Sharongovich move. We saw Lindholm for picks and prospects (Kuzmenko as an experiment). And we are about to see Hanifin and Tanev for picks and prospects. I mean, even if they don't trade Markstrom, this has been a tear down. We simply don't have it in us to be a playoff team next year. We don't have the D. It's going to be a long year. Keeping Markstrom is simply bad asset management because moving him now is selling high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otown72 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 Tanev to the Stars for a second a prospect and a conditional pick. More to come https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/flames-trading-veteran-defenceman-chris-tanev-to-stars/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, Otown72 said: Tanev to the Stars for a second a prospect and a conditional pick. More to come https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/flames-trading-veteran-defenceman-chris-tanev-to-stars/ Brads gonna get roasted in TO again lol..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_People1 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 16 minutes ago, Otown72 said: Tanev to the Stars for a second a prospect and a conditional pick. More to come https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/flames-trading-veteran-defenceman-chris-tanev-to-stars/ I like it. Flames really going out of their way to not retain salary. Brought in NJD (I guess NJD is giving up this season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, The_People1 said: I don't get it. What does Jersey get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 Just now, robrob74 said: I don't get it. What does Jersey get? oops. They get a 4th rounder for retaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 How is the prospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 https://blackoutdallas.com/2022/09/24/artem-grushnikov-long-term-plans/ Older article, but gives some background as to why he could be the odd man out for Dallas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 I like the play here by Conroy. it’s been widely reported that Tanev had a lot more interested teams than Hanifin. Well, Tanev is gone now. And the Stars got even stronger in the western conference. All those teams that missed out on Tanev now only have Hanifin as an option. well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, LouCifer said: I like the play here by Conroy. it’s been widely reported that Tanev had a lot more interested teams than Hanifin. Well, Tanev is gone now. And the Stars got even stronger in the western conference. All those teams that missed out on Tanev now only have Hanifin as an option. well played. good to have one chip fall and just means maybe an step toward a Hanifin deal? I get they're different players but those that want a D, Hanifin might be the next on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 12 minutes ago, robrob74 said: oops. They get a 4th rounder for retaining? Ya NJD is the loser here. They even send Brady Cole (former 5th round pick) to get back a 4th round pick. And retain $1.1-mil. Wasn't the Markstrom deal dead because NJD wanted the Flames to retain? They turn around and retain salary to facilitate someone else's trade. Feels like NJD throwing in the towel for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 Just now, The_People1 said: Ya NJD is the loser here. They even send Brady Cole (former 5th round pick) to get back a 4th round pick. And retain $1.1-mil. Wasn't the Markstrom deal dead because NJD wanted the Flames to retain? They turn around and retain salary to facilitate someone else's trade. Feels like NJD throwing in the towel for this season. Thought the exact same thing. Seravalli is a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, LouCifer said: https://blackoutdallas.com/2022/09/24/artem-grushnikov-long-term-plans/ Older article, but gives some background as to why he could be the odd man out for Dallas. Sounds like a stay-at-home D. 6'2" LHS LD. Don't we already have that in Solovyov and Kuznetsov? Feels like an unnecessary add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarasti Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 1 minute ago, The_People1 said: Sounds like a stay-at-home D. 6'2" LHS LD. Don't we already have that in Solovyov and Kuznetsov? Feels like an unnecessary add. Maybe, but its also an extra asset. I'm curious of the conditions on the 3rd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 According to capfriendly, the condition on the 2026 3rd is if DAL makes it to Cup finals this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 Just now, Sarasti said: Maybe, but its also an extra asset. I'm curious of the conditions on the 3rd rounder. they said if they make the finals we get the 3rd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 Just now, The_People1 said: Sounds like a stay-at-home D. 6'2" LHS LD. Don't we already have that in Solovyov and Kuznetsov? Feels like an unnecessary add. Im thinking more along the lines that this “package” had the better combination of assets compared to other offers. Also, seeing the value Tanev brings to our D corps, and knowing Hanifin is also on the way out, acquiring a Dman with that skill set could prove valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 7 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Sounds like a stay-at-home D. 6'2" LHS LD. Don't we already have that in Solovyov and Kuznetsov? Feels like an unnecessary add. I dunno, I think it's good to have more of that kind of D in case Kuz or Sol don't make it. better to have more bullets in the barrel and hope none are duds. When the time comes, they're traceable if we are doing the proper homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 29 Author Report Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Sounds like a stay-at-home D. 6'2" LHS LD. Don't we already have that in Solovyov and Kuznetsov? Feels like an unnecessary add. So, we weren't deep in our D prospects, where Solo and Kuz were the only stay at home types we had in the pipeline. This guy is a plus player in 45 AHL games. They claim they have scouted him. A 2nd plus a prospect plus another pick is about what we would have expected I guess. No retention and all NJ got was a different pick. We get back $4.5M of cap in the deal. Less if he plays right away. I wasn't sure why people expected a bigger return for Tanev than Hanifin. Maybe we get worse for him, maybe a lot better. We didn't lose him for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 29 Author Report Share Posted February 29 I don't like getting nothing if Dallas doesn't go to the cup, but whatever. It's a 3rd 2 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otown72 Posted February 29 Report Share Posted February 29 Just now, travel_dude said: I don't like getting nothing if Dallas doesn't go to the cup, but whatever. It's a 3rd 2 years from now. Yeah, I thought the condition might have been a re-signing or at least a semifinal appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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