phoenix66 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, sak22 said: New arenas have better amenities for the players, locker rooms, showers, training facilities, parking, etc. It might not be the biggest factor but it is a factor especially for a small market team, and going from having a plan to not is not good look. well u can blame the Mayor that .. but thats a whole other conversation im not betting into again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 33 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Does the Eichel trade set the baseline for a Tkachuk trade? I think we would be looking at slightly less than what Buffalo got, just because of Eichel’s pedigree (former 2nd overall), his position (C), and the fact that he had a contract in place. Buffalo got a top 10 protected 1st, and 2nd, plus a top prospect (Peyton Krebs), a youngish top 6 winger (Alex Tuch). Now Tkachuk has a bit more control here because he can decide where he signs and for how long, so that determine a lot of the return. The only reason that the Eichel trade was low was due to the risk of never being able to play at a top level again, combined with a $10M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, travel_dude said: The only reason that the Eichel trade was low was due to the risk of never being able to play at a top level again, combined with a $10M AAV. I would be surprised if Tkachuk returned more than that. He is a winger, his AAV will most likely be close to $10m if not more, he doesn't have a contract, and everyone knows there is a time limit on this deal, Treliving can't wait this out till he gets the return he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 I don't think this is a surprise but this is the first writer/insider to voice this, out side of a few Calgary media members. Article is free to read. Says St Louis, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas are options for Tkachuk. Jersey and Rangers have inquired in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, cross16 said: I don't think this is a surprise but this is the first writer/insider to voice this, out side of a few Calgary media members. Article is free to read. Says St Louis, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas are options for Tkachuk. Jersey and Rangers have inquired in the past. What ? Not Ottawa or Columbus ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Interesting theme here. Likely shows you what Tkachuks' motivation is here. also worth nothing there isn't 1 Canadian team on this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, cross16 said: I don't think this is a surprise but this is the first writer/insider to voice this, out side of a few Calgary media members. Article is free to read. Says St Louis, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas are options for Tkachuk. Jersey and Rangers have inquired in the past. The teams you mentioned ( STL, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas) are believed to be the teams on the list he supplied where he would sign long term. Credit to Tkachuk for at least giving a list and being transparent. The list is decent as well, Treliving should be able to get a bit of war going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Does the Eichel trade set the baseline for a Tkachuk trade? I think we would be looking at slightly less than what Buffalo got, just because of Eichel’s pedigree (former 2nd overall), his position (C), and the fact that he had a contract in place. Buffalo got a top 10 protected 1st, and 2nd, plus a top prospect (Peyton Krebs), a youngish top 6 winger (Alex Tuch). Now Tkachuk has a bit more control here because he can decide where he signs and for how long, so that determine a lot of the return. Tkachuk could go UFA in 1-year so it really hurts his trade value. Only 4 teams who believe they could extend Tkachuk would even pay close to what VGK paid for Eichel... And not every one of those teams have the pieces we want... And we don't even know what we want (rebuild vs keep going). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, JTech780 said: The teams you mentioned ( STL, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas) are believed to be the teams on the list he supplied where he would sign long term. Credit to Tkachuk for at least giving a list and being transparent. The list is decent as well, Treliving should be able to get a bit of war going. yup.. I'll give him credit, hes doing the honorable thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Tkachuk could go UFA in 1-year so it really hurts his trade value. Only 4 teams who believe they could extend Tkachuk would even pay close to what VGK paid for Eichel... And not every one of those teams have the pieces we want... And we don't even know what we want (rebuild vs keep going). yes but now we can trade him somewhere where hes already said he will sign long term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, phoenix66 said: yup.. I'll give him credit, hes doing the honorable thing 110% If it's 'no', then just say 'no'. Don't lead people on and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, JTech780 said: The teams you mentioned ( STL, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas) are believed to be the teams on the list he supplied where he would sign long term. Credit to Tkachuk for at least giving a list and being transparent. The list is decent as well, Treliving should be able to get a bit of war going. It's helpful but outside of St Louis those destinations leave a lot to be desired in terms of what the Flames can get back in return though. Florida - Have a hard time seeing them being involved due to the cap. Flames would have to take Bobrovsky i think. anton Lundell would be a must for me and would be a wicked piece to have but the cap feels very challenging here. Vegas - Similar to above cap makes this tough. Shea Theadore is really the only central piece that could make sense. Their young players and prospects suck. Nashville - They can pull this off but do they want to? This would be a big futures deal for Nashville Dallas - Makes a ton of sense but unless Jason Robertson or Ottinger are involved it really doesn't look good. This is lining up to be St Louis or bust I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: yes but now we can trade him somewhere where hes already said he will sign long term I want Miro Heiskanen please. But that's probably the only player off limits out of those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, cross16 said: Interesting theme here. Likely shows you what Tkachuks' motivation is here. also worth nothing there isn't 1 Canadian team on this list. Man what a summer. Don't remember one quite like this one. Flames lose two of their top players against their will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, cross16 said: It's helpful but outside of St Louis those destinations leave a lot to be desired in terms of what the Flames can get back in return though. Florida - Have a hard time seeing them being involved due to the cap. Flames would have to take Bobrovsky i think. anton Lundell would be a must for me and would be a wicked piece to have but the cap feels very challenging here. Vegas - Similar to above cap makes this tough. Shea Theadore is really the only central piece that could make sense. Their young players and prospects suck. Nashville - They can pull this off but do they want to? This would be a big futures deal for Nashville Dallas - Makes a ton of sense but unless Jason Robertson or Ottinger are involved it really doesn't look good. This is lining up to be St Louis or bust I think. depending who you believe , at one point St Louis was talking Krug, Kyrou and a 1st or FLA can send us Bennett back (+++).. he actually wanted to stay and play under Sutter LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickross Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Man what a summer. Don't remember one quite like this one. Flames lose two of their top players against their will. It’s been a terrible off season for the Flames, maybe the worst summer for the franchise? I’m sure we’ll be updating the Tkachuk thread soon with farewells. It’s bad luck, poor asset management all striking at once. Depending what we get for Tkachuk we are looking like we’re out of playoff contention for the foreseeable future. We’ve gone from a bright future to a dim one in a matter of weeks 😫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Man what a summer. Don't remember one quite like this one. Flames lose two of their top players against their will. Been almost a 2 year long roller coaster. I thought this org was in trouble with poor fits, roster etc. The have a great off season, great season, look like they are finally putting it together for a promising looking 3-5 years and then this... Cancelled the arena deal in the middle of it too. Just... damn.... it's hard to put into words how crappy this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Everything hurts right now... On the upside, there's going to be a pretty good sale at Jersey City. Love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, The_People1 said: I want Miro Heiskanen please. But that's probably the only player off limits out of those teams. im kinda hoping the best return is Fla.. its the one place on the list he cant haunt us from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, cross16 said: I don't think this is a surprise but this is the first writer/insider to voice this, out side of a few Calgary media members. Article is free to read. Says St Louis, Vegas, Florida, Nashville and Dallas are options for Tkachuk. Jersey and Rangers have inquired in the past. Well Hailey is definitely a local media person. But that leads me to also believe that he doesn't see the benefit of arbitration or 8 years. 8 years takes him out of the windfall for his next contract. I could see them agreeing to a 5 year deal. That takes him into the higher cap days and still young enough to cash in. The only thing that makes that unlikely is him providing the list of teams. That's a new wrinkle. Maybe due to the arbitration thing, since he didn't want it. Or maybe due to Johnny leaving. Don't know. Let the sweeps begin I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Vegas is a team that I have hard time seeing a trade work, just because of their cap situation and they are in the same division, and they have moved pretty much all of their prospects. St. Louis is interesting just because they would have to move cap to make it work, but their whole team has NTC's so who is willing to waive to come here becomes the question. Some pieces I would look at are: Jordan Kyrou, Ivan Barbashev, Zachary Bolduc, Jake Neighbours, Klim Kostin, Scott Perunovich, Joel Hofer, Jimmy Snuggerud, 2023 1st. Vegas: Brendan Brisson, Pavel Dorofeyev, Lukas Cormier, Nicolas Roy, Shea Theodore, 2023 1st. Florida: Anton Lundell, Grigori Denisenko. Nashville: Philip Tomasino, Eeli Tolvanen, Tanner Jeannot, Dante Fabbro, Joakim Kemell, Zachary L'Heureux, Cody Glass, Luke Evangelista, Yaroslav Askarov, Fedor Svechkov, 2023 1st. Dallas: Roope Hintz, Denis Gurianov, Jason Robertson, Thomas Harley, Mavrik Bourque, Wyatt Johnston, Ty Dellandrea, Logan Stankoven, Lian Bichsel, 2023 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: im kinda hoping the best return is Fla.. its the one place on the list he cant haunt us from Florida is probably the best fit just due to Anton Lundell. That's the type of return that would actually get me excited/optomistic. I don't think any of the other teams on that list have a prospect like at and definitely not a center prospect like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 I would say that Nashville and Dallas are the teams that can put together the most interesting packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Help me out on this. The article says a couple of things. In one breath they say he won't commit to a long term deal. In another it says he won't sign period. Which is the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, cross16 said: Florida is probably the best fit just due to Anton Lundell. That's the type of return that would actually get me excited/optomistic. I don't think any of the other teams on that list have a prospect like at and definitely not a center prospect like that. I would love to get Anton Lundell, there is the future number 1 center to build around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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