The_Tribal Chief Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Does Valimaki Injury honestly Give us Cap relief cause he isnt gonna be playing for along time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, The_People1 said: In Ibiza working on his game. Which game are we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, The_Snowbear said: Does Valimaki Injury honestly Give us Cap relief cause he isnt gonna be playing for along time Assuming you sign another cheap defenseman. He just replaces the cap hit we already assigned to valimaki since he will be on IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, phoenix66 said: Assuming you sign another cheap defenseman. He just replaces the cap hit we already assigned to valimaki since he will be on IR If he’s on a lesser contract you also save the difference, only a few hundred thousand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM_3300 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 Frolik is the player that has to be traded and preferably for picks so the Flames take on no other salaries. Keeping Brodie would be the intelligent thing to do now with Valimaki out. I don't know if the team will be any better but we did have a good team last season. LINEUP Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm Tkachuk, Backlund, Bennett Mangiapane, Ryan, Czarnik Lucic. Jankowski, Tuulola Quine and Lomberg (spares) DEFENSE Giordano, Brodie Hanifin, Hamonic Kylington, Andersson Schlemko (spare) or Davidson GOALIES Rittich, Talbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsman1 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 9:13 AM, GM_3300 said: Frolik is the player that has to be traded and preferably for picks so the Flames take on no other salaries. Keeping Brodie would be the intelligent thing to do now with Valimaki out. I don't know if the team will be any better but we did have a good team last season. LINEUP Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm Tkachuk, Backlund, Bennett Mangiapane, Ryan, Czarnik Lucic. Jankowski, Tuulola Quine and Lomberg (spares) DEFENSE Giordano, Brodie Hanifin, Hamonic Kylington, Andersson Schlemko (spare) or Davidson GOALIES Rittich, Talbot IF Frolik is leaving.... and yea.. We need the cap room.. And.. since we don't have any right handed shot forwards.. I'd just as soon try... Tkachuk/monahan/Gaudreau bennett/backlund/Lindholm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, Horsman1 said: IF Frolik is leaving.... and yea.. We need the cap room.. And.. since we don't have any right handed shot forwards.. I'd just as soon try... Tkachuk/monahan/Gaudreau bennett/backlund/Lindholm They have tried Tkachuk on the top line without success. They may try it again, but I think the lack of foot speed of Tkachuk and Monahan hurts, especially when they get stuck against the other teams top lines. My take right now would be Gaudreau - Monahan - Ryan Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane Dube - Backlund - Bennett Lucic - Jankowski - Czarnik Quine But I really want to see how camp goes. Guys like Dube, Mangiapane, Lucic, and Bennett are real wild cards. Plus, we still don't know what the final roster will look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Hey Kehatch welcome back been awhile Maybe it was me but you seemed not around much last season or it was we kept missing each other lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, The_Snowbear said: Hey Kehatch welcome back been awhile Maybe it was me but you seemed not around much last season or it was we kept missing each other lol Thanks! It has been awhile. I wasn't around much last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Well Really Glad your Back we all missed ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsman1 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 16 hours ago, kehatch said: They have tried Tkachuk on the top line without success. They may try it again, but I think the lack of foot speed of Tkachuk and Monahan hurts, especially when they get stuck against the other teams top lines. My take right now would be Gaudreau - Monahan - Ryan Tkachuk - Lindholm - Mangiapane Dube - Backlund - Bennett Lucic - Jankowski - Czarnik Quine But I really want to see how camp goes. Guys like Dube, Mangiapane, Lucic, and Bennett are real wild cards. Plus, we still don't know what the final roster will look like. well I don't foresee a lot of movement in the current roster . I think we start with what we have except for maybe one cap move..( Frolick)// treliving has said many many times since the end of the season that we will grow from within .. and.. there are soo many teams tight against the cap that it really prohibits any type of movement save for necessity.. IE Injury/ Drug use/ Screwin someone's significant other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Horsman1 said: well I don't foresee a lot of movement in the current roster Hopefully there is no movement which would mean we would sign Tkachuk at a reasonable contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM_3300 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 I have to say I am some what disappointed in Treliving for not really doing much of anything to improve the team over last season. Going on the notion these guys will be hungry to win after last season's hasty exit is fine however there were some obvious reasons for the exit. It should prove both interesting and challenging to see how Peters works this roster vs last season. Our middle 6 forwards were a real weakness both during the season and in the playoff round. Is Talbot going to be anymore of an answer with Rittich than Smith, we hope so. Valimaki out hurts however there is some faith Kylington can handle 3rd line duties. I think they will need to spread the experience around within any line up and adjust when/if necessary. I would try this set up. Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm Tkachuk, Bennett, Frolik Mangiapane Backlund, Ryan Lucic, Jankowski. Czarnik DEFENSE Giordano, Andersson Hanifin, Hamonic Kylington, Brodie GOALIES Rittich, Talbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, GM_3300 said: I have to say I am some what disappointed in Treliving for not really doing much of anything to improve the team over last season. I have to agree. His hands were tied with a lack of assets or cap space, but other teams like Toronto got their work done despite that. Talbot for Smith is a wash. We get a little more opportunity for a little less certainty, but it doesn't address our ongoing dilemma in goal. The Neal for Lucic trade saved ownership some dollars, got Neal off the team, and potentially got us a better fit for the third line. But Lucic is a risk to further decline, has a terrible contract, and this doesn't address the middle six. Worse, we probably are going to lose one of Frolik or Brodie which means this seasons roster will be a step back from last seasons roster (on paper). For the Flames to have success we need to hope none of our big guns take a step back from their career years, that a kid or two steps up, and that Rittich/Talbot/Lucic can at lease be passable. I don't think any of that is impossible, but I would have liked to see a legitimate step forward this summer rather then banking on a lot going right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC923 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 More rumours are coming of bridge deals for the rfas. Could sign Tkachuk for 2 years at 6.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 2 hours ago, kehatch said: I have to agree. His hands were tied with a lack of assets or cap space, but other teams like Toronto got their work done despite that. Talbot for Smith is a wash. We get a little more opportunity for a little less certainty, but it doesn't address our ongoing dilemma in goal. The Neal for Lucic trade saved ownership some dollars, got Neal off the team, and potentially got us a better fit for the third line. But Lucic is a risk to further decline, has a terrible contract, and this doesn't address the middle six. Worse, we probably are going to lose one of Frolik or Brodie which means this seasons roster will be a step back from last seasons roster (on paper). For the Flames to have success we need to hope none of our big guns take a step back from their career years, that a kid or two steps up, and that Rittich/Talbot/Lucic can at lease be passable. I don't think any of that is impossible, but I would have liked to see a legitimate step forward this summer rather then banking on a lot going right. I kind of think that the first line can take a step back, but it just means a lot more closer games. There were some blowouts where they got 9-12 points between them. Plus, if the rest of the roster can pick up a bit of the difference then that will help. I am one one of the few who are open to trying Lindholm with Tkachuk and Backlund. I can see Backlund still pushing the play enough for Lindholm to get 50+ points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 hours ago, kehatch said: I have to agree. His hands were tied with a lack of assets or cap space, but other teams like Toronto got their work done despite that. Talbot for Smith is a wash. We get a little more opportunity for a little less certainty, but it doesn't address our ongoing dilemma in goal. The Neal for Lucic trade saved ownership some dollars, got Neal off the team, and potentially got us a better fit for the third line. But Lucic is a risk to further decline, has a terrible contract, and this doesn't address the middle six. Worse, we probably are going to lose one of Frolik or Brodie which means this seasons roster will be a step back from last seasons roster (on paper). For the Flames to have success we need to hope none of our big guns take a step back from their career years, that a kid or two steps up, and that Rittich/Talbot/Lucic can at lease be passable. I don't think any of that is impossible, but I would have liked to see a legitimate step forward this summer rather then banking on a lot going right. I admit I was let down by the lack o movement. Kadri (for all the hate) was a great trade. Now all the possible trades seem to have been made, except for a few teams that have done little. I still think we may see a trade involvng Brodie and Janko to improve the C spot on the 3rd line, but that is only a possibility now. Frolik will be traded for a RD, IMHO, but it won't be a cap saving trade. It's not that I feel Frolik has to go, just that he's on the last year of his deal and re-signing him is remote. So the result is we may improve a bit at the expense of a top D. Not the end of the world. Even though I am okay with moving Neal for Lucic, he doesn't help the 3rd line at all. Neal didn't fit, but nether does Lucic. He's a role player that might be able to play some minutes there, but he doesn't fit what we have. 4th line, some additional minutes with the top or Tkachuk line and some PP time is at most what I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 47 minutes ago, robrob74 said: I kind of think that the first line can take a step back, but it just means a lot more closer games. There were some blowouts where they got 9-12 points between them. Plus, if the rest of the roster can pick up a bit of the difference then that will help. I am one one of the few who are open to trying Lindholm with Tkachuk and Backlund. I can see Backlund still pushing the play enough for Lindholm to get 50+ points. If you kept together the top line, I don't see why they would drop off. You have two guys that can shoot the puck and a sublime passer and zone entry specialist. If anything, they fell off at the end of the season, not regressed to the norm. There's nothing wrong with trying Lindholm with Backlund, if you are okay with him being closer to 50 points. Meaning he replaces Frolik but doesn;t really make the line much better. If you brought in a Zucker or other RW to use on the top line, that might be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, robrob74 said: I kind of think that the first line can take a step back, but it just means a lot more closer games. There were some blowouts where they got 9-12 points between them. Plus, if the rest of the roster can pick up a bit of the difference then that will help. I am one one of the few who are open to trying Lindholm with Tkachuk and Backlund. I can see Backlund still pushing the play enough for Lindholm to get 50+ points. I don't think the team will be bad. In fact I think we will be very good. The issue is we are in our window for the next three seasons. I expected the GM to take us a step forward, not a step back. It's not the end of the world. This year we will give kids like Dube, Andersson, etc a chance to step up. We also tried a move at last seasons deadline and this year's off season that fell through. Next year will probably be the season we go all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 hours ago, travel_dude said: If you kept together the top line, I don't see why they would drop off. You have two guys that can shoot the puck and a sublime passer and zone entry specialist. If anything, they fell off at the end of the season, not regressed to the norm. There's nothing wrong with trying Lindholm with Backlund, if you are okay with him being closer to 50 points. Meaning he replaces Frolik but doesn;t really make the line much better. If you brought in a Zucker or other RW to use on the top line, that might be fine. I think it’s more a matter of the fans who say it that are just being cautious about it. The line dropped off when it mattered the most so realistically there is a chance that they won’t score the same amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 15 hours ago, robrob74 said: I think it’s more a matter of the fans who say it that are just being cautious about it. The line dropped off when it mattered the most so realistically there is a chance that they won’t score the same amount. Well really, the line fell off when it mattered the least (already locked up a playoff spot). They didn't get it back in the playoffs. Does that cause me some concern? Yes, but it was a team fail, not specifically a top line fail. The team as it stands now is basically the same one that lead the Pacific. Traded a guy that chewed up minutes without contribuing much. Got back a guy a bit better defensively who probably won't score 15. Could stand to make a few trades if there is a market. The 3rd line wasn't much last year, so improving it is a goal. Maybe it's fine with just replacing Neal with Mangiapane or Ryan, but Janko and Bennett did not fit well IMHO. Still have to decide what the best fit for the top and 2nd line is. Without any moves, it's Lindholm and Frolik in the top 2 RW spots. Maybe Bennett can take one of those spots, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, travel_dude said: Well really, the line fell off when it mattered the least (already locked up a playoff spot). They didn't get it back in the playoffs. Does that cause me some concern? Yes, but it was a team fail, not specifically a top line fail. The team as it stands now is basically the same one that lead the Pacific. Traded a guy that chewed up minutes without contribuing much. Got back a guy a bit better defensively who probably won't score 15. Could stand to make a few trades if there is a market. The 3rd line wasn't much last year, so improving it is a goal. Maybe it's fine with just replacing Neal with Mangiapane or Ryan, but Janko and Bennett did not fit well IMHO. Still have to decide what the best fit for the top and 2nd line is. Without any moves, it's Lindholm and Frolik in the top 2 RW spots. Maybe Bennett can take one of those spots, maybe not. I see it glass half empty. They fell off when games mattered more. We still had a big lead and won games, but the team was basically carried by the Ryan line at the end of the year. If it wasn’t for them I think we might have fallen from at least 2nd overall status. It was a perfect storm storm for us. Other teams weren’t taking advantage of it and winning more. I think it matters more because games got tighter, other teams checked them harder. They may have felt the comfort of the standings... so maybe it is a combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM_3300 Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 hours ago, robrob74 said: I see it glass half empty. They fell off when games mattered more. We still had a big lead and won games, but the team was basically carried by the Ryan line at the end of the year. If it wasn’t for them I think we might have fallen from at least 2nd overall status. It was a perfect storm storm for us. Other teams weren’t taking advantage of it and winning more. I think it matters more because games got tighter, other teams checked them harder. They may have felt the comfort of the standings... so maybe it is a combo. Peters has to fix the middle 6 forward lines or we will be virtually the same team. I definitely thought Frolik was gone after last season. I think the plan will be to try and get Bennett into the top 6 somewhere, some how. It could be time to see a 3rd line of Mangiapane, Ryan and Czarnik for some buzz and a different dynamic. Maybe a 4th line of Lucic, Jankowski, Frolik if still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, robrob74 said: I see it glass half empty. They fell off when games mattered more. We still had a big lead and won games, but the team was basically carried by the Ryan line at the end of the year. If it wasn’t for them I think we might have fallen from at least 2nd overall status. It was a perfect storm storm for us. Other teams weren’t taking advantage of it and winning more. I think it matters more because games got tighter, other teams checked them harder. They may have felt the comfort of the standings... so maybe it is a combo. The games didn't matter at the end of the season. EDM, LA (x2), OTT, ANA (x2). Only DAL, CBJ and SJS were in the playoffs. Very few of those teams managed much more than 22 shots. Even so, they still only managed a 6-4 record. End result still the same. Early playoff exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 hours ago, GM_3300 said: Peters has to fix the middle 6 forward lines or we will be virtually the same team. I definitely thought Frolik was gone after last season. I think the plan will be to try and get Bennett into the top 6 somewhere, some how. It could be time to see a 3rd line of Mangiapane, Ryan and Czarnik for some buzz and a different dynamic. Maybe a 4th line of Lucic, Jankowski, Frolik if still here. A few things struck me from last season. First, a majority of the offensive teams had 7 forwards with 40 or more points (the Flames had 5 and then a big drop off). Second, none of the offensive teams except San Jose did well in the playoffs. And third, San Jose has offense balanced between three forward lines and their D. Gaudreau is an elite offensive player. Monahan is an average first line C but a top goal scorer. Both Lindholm and Tkachuk are very good top 6 players that bring a number of aspects to the table. Backlund is a strong defensive C with decent offensive output. The top 5 is fine. But it drops off to drastically after that. Bennett adds a physical presence and picks it up in the playoffs, but his regular season 5 on 5 has not been good. Jankowski is a great PKer but probably better off on the fourth line 5 on 5. Lucic has been in a rapid decline for 3 seasons and has not been good. Ryan is a great piece to have due to his versatility, but you can't count on him for consistent offense. Frolik has been functional, but was in the coaches bad books for most of the season and probably won't be back. Czarnik hasn't shown he can produce at a middle six level. Dube is the one guy to look at that could take a big step forward, but I think he needs another year. I have never been high on Mangiapane. I really wish we pulled off the Kadri move. We need at least one more player to take some of the pressure off the top line. I don't blame the top line for the playoff loss. The Mackinnon line was simply better. That's potentially the best line in hockey, so be it. But our depth failed to take on Colorado and that's why we lost so soundly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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