2019 Offseason Thread

[cross16]

Kinda stuck where this should go but as his Presser today Peters droped a hint the Flames have signed a dman but just haven't announced. Friedman weights on who he thinks it is. I've also read the same name speculated elsewhere. 

 

Not a big guy but so far the book i've read on him is he's very physical, one of the top minute guys on his team and recently won the hardest shot in the KHL.

 

Peters is also very excited to have him. 

 

 

 

[MAC331]

4 minutes ago, cross16 said:

Kinda stuck where this should go but as his Presser today Peters droped a hint the Flames have signed a dman but just haven't announced. Friedman weights on who he thinks it is. I've also read the same name speculated elsewhere. 

 

 

 

Any more on the pursuit of Nygard the Swede winger ?

 

[JTech780]

1 hour ago, cross16 said:

Kinda stuck where this should go but as his Presser today Peters droped a hint the Flames have signed a dman but just haven't announced. Friedman weights on who he thinks it is. I've also read the same name speculated elsewhere. 

 

Not a big guy but so far the book i've read on him is he's very physical, one of the top minute guys on his team and recently won the hardest shot in the KHL.

 

Peters is also very excited to have him. 

 

 

 

 

I wonder how much of an impact Hakan Loob is having on our ability to sign these European free agents. Last year it seemed like we were scraping the bottom of the barrel hoping for someone to turn out.

[travel_dude]

Read we were in on this guy at the same time as the Russian goalie (that we signed).

The nice thing, if it's him we signed, is that he's a RHS.

Not that he replaces Brodie, but it would be nice to have an option for a 3rd pairing guy, other than Stone.

 

You have to wonder where we are going with the depth we are amassing.

Perhaps Fantenberg is not a lock, but we still have Valimaki and Kylington.

Fantenberg would make 8.

Stone would make 9.

 

I would have to say that Stone is gone this summer. 

He doesn;t have the speed or puckmoving to play on even a Flames team.

And we want to be faster.

 

[JTech780]

The toughest part of the off season will be getting Tkachuk signed. I doubt it will happen quickly. Tkachuk will want to wait to see if someone else will set the market. Treliving will want to wait to see what other changes he needs to make and make those changes while he has cap space open. 

 

The danger of waiting is the threat of an offer sheet, the benefit is that you can make moves with open cap space and since Tkachuk is an RFA is isn't going anywhere and you can fit him in with the remaining cap space (within reason).

[MAC331]

39 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

The toughest part of the off season will be getting Tkachuk signed. I doubt it will happen quickly. Tkachuk will want to wait to see if someone else will set the market. Treliving will want to wait to see what other changes he needs to make and make those changes while he has cap space open. 

 

The danger of waiting is the threat of an offer sheet, the benefit is that you can make moves with open cap space and since Tkachuk is an RFA is isn't going anywhere and you can fit him in with the remaining cap space (within reason).

I don't think this should be of concern really. There are already some comps to go by. I think something similar to Nylander's contract may be the way to go, bonus upfront and a reasonable AAV carry on. Tkachuk will want to see what TOR does with Marner likely although he isn't an equivalent player IMO.

[JTech780]

One player that I think makes a lot of sense for Calgary to target is Chris Kreider. He is big, he is fast, he is physical and he scores goals. The only issue is that he is yet another LW. If they can get some of these LW's to the right side we will be set. There just aren't a lot of top end RHS wingers out there.

 

Gaudreau-Monahan-

Tkachuk-Lindholm-

Bennett-Backlund-

Mangiapane-Ryan-

 

We could have a great LW-C combo on each line, just have to fill in the right side.

[MAC331]

26 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

One player that I think makes a lot of sense for Calgary to target is Chris Kreider. He is big, he is fast, he is physical and he scores goals. The only issue is that he is yet another LW. If they can get some of these LW's to the right side we will be set. There just aren't a lot of top end RHS wingers out there.

 

Gaudreau-Monahan-

Tkachuk-Lindholm-

Bennett-Backlund-

Mangiapane-Ryan-

 

We could have a great LW-C combo on each line, just have to fill in the right side.

I like your Brent Connelly RW idea better and would prefer to see BT go after another UFA in Dzingel LW. A line of Dzingel LW, Backlund C, Connelly RW would be an awesome 3rd line.

[JTech780]

3 minutes ago, MAC331 said:

I like your Brent Connelly RW idea better and would prefer to see BT go after another UFA in Dzingel LW. A line of Dzingel LW, Backlund C, Connelly RW would be an awesome 3rd line.

 

I really like Connolly and would like to add him as a UFA.

 

My plan for the off season.

 

Brodie for Kadri

Frolik and Jankowski for Zucker

Neal for Okposo

Sign Connolly

Sign Mrazek

Sign Rutta

Buyout Stone

 

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm

Tkachuk-Kadri-Zucker

Bennett-Backlund-Connolly

Mangiapane-Ryan-Okposo

 

Giordano-Andersson

Hanifin-Hamonic

Valimkai-Rutta

 

Rittich

Mrazek

 

I am sure I am over the cap on this, but we can dream right?

[MAC331]

3 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

I really like Connolly and would like to add him as a UFA.

 

My plan for the off season.

 

Brodie for Kadri

Frolik and Jankowski for Zucker

Neal for Okposo

Sign Connolly

Sign Mrazek

Sign Rutta

Buyout Stone

 

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm

Tkachuk-Kadri-Zucker

Bennett-Backlund-Connolly

Mangiapane-Ryan-Okposo

 

Giordano-Andersson

Hanifin-Hamonic

Valimkai-Rutta

 

Rittich

Mrazek

 

I am sure I am over the cap on this, but we can dream right?

Sorry but I would not be onside with any of Kadri (punk), Zucker or Okposo, I think we can do better. I also think we can and should change a few dynamics with our current core. I no longer think Monahan should be a C (to slow) and if Neal is gone I believe Tkachuk is the guy to play RW on the top line but with a different C in Bennett. Here are my choices and moves.

Gaudreau, Bennett, Tkachuk

Monahan, Lindholm, Kapanen (from TOR for our 2019-1st)

Dzingel, Backlund, Connelly ( Dzingel & Connelly as UFAs)

Dube, Ryan, Hathaway ( lots of depth for 4th liners)

DEFENSE

Giordano, Andersson

Hanifin, Hamonic

Valimaki, Fantenberg

Kylington, Prout (on a two way deal)

Move Brodie and Stone*

GOALIES

Rittich

The targets I would have are Mrazek UFA and Allen STL by trading Brodie for him.

 

[cccsberg]

On 2019-04-21 at 11:31 PM, The_People1 said:

I would be open to trading Mark Giordano and I understand why many would not even entertain the idea.  However, he's our best trade asset to help our future (to which his age doesn't allow him to be apart of for much longer anyways).  Giordano has a NTC kick in beginning 20/21 season.

 

1. Giordano is coming off a Norris performance (aka, highest trade value ever).
2. He's turning 37 in October (will likely never repeat Norris level again).
3. We have the depth at LD to withstand the loss (Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington, and even Fantenberg and Brodie (who should also be traded but still)).
4. Monahan and Tkachuk are ready to become captain.
5. We need to trade something good to get something good back in return.  We need a top 6 C, RW, and a starting G.
6. He can't be this good forever.  Let's not wait until he loses all trade value like Iginla before we trade him.

 

On the point about captaincy, when we traded Iginla, we didn't think anyone would ever emerge as a good captain for us.  Giordano quickly did.  If Giordano leaves, then don't worry, someone will emerge.  That's how it works.  You can't get to second base with one foot in first.  Giordano can't play forever anyways.  

 

On the point about talent, his ice time and responsibilities will be passed down to Hanifin and Valimaki mostly.  The emergence of Andersson on RD also help alleviate the loss.  Again, Giordano is expected to slow down soon anyways.  We have to cut down his minutes played eventually.

 

And lastly, I think we can get someone good to great.  Which is what this is all about.  Giordano allows us to add to Gaudreau, Monahan, and Tkachuk without losing one of them in return.

I would agree trading Gio might be worthwhile, certainly its now or never.  I wonder if Edmonton would be open to a multi-player mega-deal something along the lines of Gio-Monahan-Neal-Kylington for Draisaitl-Puljujarvi-Lucic-Nurse?  

[MAC331]

2 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

I would agree trading Gio might be worthwhile, certainly its now or never.  I wonder if Edmonton would be open to a multi-player mega-deal something along the lines of Gio-Monahan-Neal-Kylington for Draisaitl-Puljujarvi-Lucic-Nurse?  

You aren't serious are you ?

[The_People1]

49 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

I would agree trading Gio might be worthwhile, certainly its now or never.  I wonder if Edmonton would be open to a multi-player mega-deal something along the lines of Gio-Monahan-Neal-Kylington for Draisaitl-Puljujarvi-Lucic-Nurse?  

 

I was thinking something more like Giordano for Nolan Patrick. 

[cccsberg]

13 minutes ago, MAC331 said:

You aren't serious are you ?

Draisaitl-Nurse for Gio-Monahan as the core of the deal...  other guys plus/minus to balance it out.  Flames get a true #1C and toughness, Oilers get Norris-level 1D and excellent shooter to try and make something happen while McDavid is still there.  Serious to look at something, details flexible.  

 

Question:  What other exceptional 1C is out there?  Malkin, Crosby(unlikely), Getzlaf, Kopitar(unlikely), Staal, Toews(unlikely)  Carter, Sequin?   All older guys and questions with each.  I have definite questions about Draisaitl too, but think he might be worth taking a shot at.... 

[cccsberg]

10 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I was thinking something more like Giordano for Nolan Patrick. 

Patrick is certainly younger and high pedigree.  I haven't watched him at all but my impression from reading is he is more of a defensive specialist. If not then certainly fits the mold, and would be along the lines of the Nieuwendyck-Iginla trade years ago....  Also, isn't Phillie loaded with young D. so why the need for Gio?  Anyone know?

[robrob74]

On 2019-04-21 at 5:32 PM, Thebrewcrew said:

Here's my take

 

Buyouts

•  Stone- gonna be tough to trade but maybe to Vegas at half price (1.75), even then they may wait to sign him after we buy him out

 

RFA

• Tkachuk- this is gonna be a tough negotiation, the market is so different now than when Monahan and Gaudreau signed. This is gonna be a long negotiation I think that drags out. It could be anywhere between 6.75-8.5 I think
• Rittich- BT tends to be rather thrifty and shrewd, but this negotiation shouldn't be too hard. The Grubauer deal with COL last season at 3.3x3 seems like a good comparable here and that's where I would expect it to end up in the 3-3.5 range. 
• Mangiapane- this shouldn't be a tough deal either as Mangiapane still has a small sample size at the NHL level. Comparable could be Garland in ARI 775k x2.
• Bennett- this could be a tough negotiation again as Bennett didn't have a great regular season once again with 27 points. Once again though he was good in the playoffs. I would say though he did look way better than he ever has at any point in his career this year. Question is what do you pay a 30pt guy? My guess is the 2.25-2.5 range on another bridge deal

-only gonna comment on the NHL RFA's

 

UFA

• Fantenberg- I would like to keep him, depends on cost though. At a shade over 1mill so that you could bury him with no effect on the cao I would be good with bringing him back. 
• Smith- common theme with all UFA we have is at what cost? I don't think he will be in too high of demand so BT may have some leverage, but I think he will want at least what Rittich gets since they played a fairly even split and Smith played playoffs. 
• Hathaway- I think Hathaway is the most likely UFA to leave. I'd be ok with giving him up to 1.3 but even that's pushing it an he's coming off a career year. Once in a life time opportunity for him to test UFA. Guys like Tim Schaller signed for 1.9 last year. I think we could use either Czarnik or Buddy Robinson as 4th line RW next year instead.

 

Needs

•  top 6 RW
• top 9 C
• 3rd pair D
• backup/1b goalie

 

Trade Bait

• Frolik- almost got traded to MIN, good player but if not on the 3M line doesn't really fit into the lineup. Could probably use his 4.3 off the books too
• Brodie- once again could use the 4.6 off the books and with the young blueliners we have he is expendable. Would likely fetch a pair of 2nd's.
• Jankowski- need a better 3rd line C to contend. He likely doesn't have much value though
• Kylington- I don't think the organization is very high on him. If they don't see a future for him then I hope they move him before he loses his value and becomes a life long AHer
• Gillies- minor league move, make room for a Parsons and Zagidulin tandem.

 

Trade Targets

• Zucker- BT was in on Hamonic for over a year so I doubt he gives up on Zucker completely
• Haula- could be the ideal 3rd line C and he was Neal's linemate in VGK, shouldn't cost too much as Vegas is cap strapped and Haula pretty much missed a full season also makes our lineup faster
• Eakin- same thing as Haula, could be a good 3rd line C and Vegas will need to make moves
• Kapanen- I would throw a 4.05x5 offersheer at him, it would make things really tough for TOR and it has a legit chance at working. Kapanen for a 2nd would be awesome although likely a pipe dream

 

UFA Targets

• Talbot- if not Smith then Talbot could be a good option, similar deal to Khudobin and Halak signed last year at 2.75x2

I would stay away from UFA to be honest

 

 

I think if you can eat salary it is probably better in the long run than having to have the buyout money on the cap. 

 

Edited in:

 

One one saving grace the flames have on Tkachuk is he was terrible in the playoffs. Maybe I am harsh but I expected more. And everyone said, if he has a big Playoffs watchout!

[The_People1]

11 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

Patrick is certainly younger and high pedigree.  I haven't watched him at all but my impression from reading is he is more of a defensive specialist. If not then certainly fits the mold, and would be along the lines of the Nieuwendyck-Iginla trade years ago....  Also, isn't Phillie loaded with young D. so why the need for Gio?  Anyone know?

 

There were rumors they were shopping for a veteran D to groom their young D.  So, I don't think they will move Provorov or any of their prized young D.  They just want to add a veteran... And there's no better veteran than Giordano.

 

I agree the offensive ceiling on Patrick isn't too high but RHS C who could 1A/1B with Monahan.

[The_People1]

34 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

 

Question:  What other exceptional 1C is out there?  Malkin, Crosby(unlikely), Getzlaf, Kopitar(unlikely), Staal, Toews(unlikely)  Carter, Sequin?   All older guys and questions with each.  I have definite questions about Draisaitl too, but think he might be worth taking a shot at.... 

 

Ya that's the thing, you have to take a chance at someone younger and on the verge of breaking out.  Like Lindholm for example.  

[robrob74]

15 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

There were rumors they were shopping for a veteran D to groom their young D.  So, I don't think they will move Provorov or any of their prized young D.  They just want to add a veteran... And there's no better veteran than Giordano.

 

I agree the offensive ceiling on Patrick isn't too high but RHS C who could 1A/1B with Monahan.

 

Or could you play Patrick with Monahan and Gaudreau and move Lindholm down? 

 

How fast is Patrick?

[The_People1]

On 4/21/2019 at 6:32 PM, Thebrewcrew said:

 

RFA 

• Mangiapane- this shouldn't be a tough deal either as Mangiapane still has a small sample size at the NHL level. Comparable could be Garland in ARI 775k x2

 

Mangiapane is interesting because he's really come a long way translating his AHL success to the NHL level.  Everywhere he goes, he scores.  That's all he does.

 

Why did he get it done while someone like Shinkaruk didn't?

 

He's flashed high end skills and there might be 25-goal and 50-point potential in a couple years.  I hope we lock up Mangiapane for 3-years under $1-mil.

[The_People1]

10 hours ago, robrob74 said:

 

Or could you play Patrick with Monahan and Gaudreau and move Lindholm down? 

 

How fast is Patrick?

 

I feel Patrick is faster than Monahan but that's not saying much.  

[MAC331]

20 hours ago, cccsberg said:

Draisaitl-Nurse for Gio-Monahan as the core of the deal...  other guys plus/minus to balance it out.  Flames get a true #1C and toughness, Oilers get Norris-level 1D and excellent shooter to try and make something happen while McDavid is still there.  Serious to look at something, details flexible.  

 

Question:  What other exceptional 1C is out there?  Malkin, Crosby(unlikely), Getzlaf, Kopitar(unlikely), Staal, Toews(unlikely)  Carter, Sequin?   All older guys and questions with each.  I have definite questions about Draisaitl too, but think he might be worth taking a shot at.... 

I would have Draisaitl on my team any day but this is a futile trade proposal because it has no chance of ever happening.

I said somewhere else the current Flames core has a 2 to 3 year window to win a SC but make no mistake about wo the Leader of this team is during this period. We talk about team building all the time and we now have a great succession position to replace Giordano by the time his contract runs out. You ask about an "exceptional" and I'm not so sure we don't have a few within our own ranks. I wouldn't mind seeing them try something like this for next season.

Gaudreau, Bennett, Tkachuk

Monahan, Lindholm, Neal

To further enhance our chances build a way better 3rd line and there have been some good suggestions put forward. Like this one.

Dzingel LW, Backlund C, Connelly RW

[MAC331]

21 hours ago, The_People1 said:

 

I was thinking something more like Giordano for Nolan Patrick. 

PHI needs to get younger not older. This doesn't fly.

[JTech780]

I am curious to see how Bennett, Mangiapane, Dube and Jankowski all fit into the lineup next season.

 

I think we need to keep Bennett, just because we don't have a ton of what he brings, and he has shown time and time again that he takes his game to the next level, when the games get bigger and more important. The question with Bennett is going to be what his next contract looks like.

 

Mangiapane won me over this year. I was really unsure about him, as he looked very tentative previously. After he scored his 1st goal and started getting his confidence, he showed what he is capable of. The question for him is how to you get him more playing time. Can he play on the right side?

 

Dube needs to be in the lineup next season, he is ready for full time duty

 We need his quickness and his tenaciousness. The question for him is where does he fit. 3rd/4th LW? 3rd/4tg C?

 

Jankowski has plateaued, and while he isn't terrible, I think we can do better. I would look to move him for a 3rd rounder. The only concern is that he brings size down the middle, but he doesn't use it, so there goes that concern.

[MAC331]

18 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

I am curious to see how Bennett, Mangiapane, Dube and Jankowski all fit into the lineup next season.

 

I think we need to keep Bennett, just because we don't have a ton of what he brings, and he has shown time and time again that he takes his game to the next level, when the games get bigger and more important. The question with Bennett is going to be what his next contract looks like.

 

Mangiapane won me over this year. I was really unsure about him, as he looked very tentative previously. After he scored his 1st goal and started getting his confidence, he showed what he is capable of. The question for him is how to you get him more playing time. Can he play on the right side?

 

Dube needs to be in the lineup next season, he is ready for full time duty

 We need his quickness and his tenaciousness. The question for him is where does he fit. 3rd/4th LW? 3rd/4tg C?

 

Jankowski has plateaued, and while he isn't terrible, I think we can do better. I would look to move him for a 3rd rounder. The only concern is that he brings size down the middle, but he doesn't use it, so there goes that concern.

I don't think there is any doubt you keep Bennett and I would be surprised if BT gives him anything over 3.5M. I would like to see him back at C In the top 6 as we need his compete level there. I think both Jankowski and Mangiapane showed well this season but I wouldn't keep them only because I think they can be improved upon. Trade them to a team that could use them up off the 4th line. I also would like to see Dube into the picture but that is likely LW 4th line initially with Ryan.