Crzy's 2015 NHL Draft Thread

[Crzydrvr]

We're back! I think last year was the most views prior to the start of free agency that I've ever had for one of these threads, so you have my thanks! It's pretty awesome having a thread you start end up on the first search page on Google, and here's to hoping I can continue this little bit of fun for a little longer yet!

 

I think that not having a Twitter account will continue to be a running gag, but feel free to follow this thread using the follow topic button until then. Gotta be socially responsible with that kind of thing ya know, and it's boring to write "On the toilet" 3 times a day and nothing else.

 

I do feel I'm getting less and less questions though, so I'd like to say feel free to fire away. I'll do my best (although obviously I'm a NA based guy so I won't be able to help too much on some Euro prospects). I'm hoping that this is just a product of my lists and midterms just straight up becoming more detailed and descriptive but for whatever reason I don't think that's it.

 

Cheers towards another good year for the Flames and some success at the draft table.

 

August:

 

• Watch List: CHL

Watch List: US Leagues

[Crzydrvr]

CHL Preliminary Watchlists:

 

WHL

 

S-Level Prospects:

 

C Mathew Barzal, Seattle

 

B-Level Prospects:

 

LW Paul Bittner, Portland

LW Jesse Gabrielle, Brandon

LW Ryan Gropp, Seattle

C Nick Merkley, Kelowna

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D Ryan Pilon, Brandon

 

C-Level Prospects:

 

F Glenn Gawdin, Swift Current

C Jansen Harkins, Prince George

C Pavel Karnaukhov, Calgary

F Nikita Milekhin, Lethbridge

C Brad Morrison, Prince George

C Adam Musil, Red Deer

C Grayson Pawlenchuk, Red Deer

C Tyler Soy, Victoria

---

D Ethan Bear, Seattle

D Brandon Carlo, Tri-City

D Chaz Reddekopp, Victoria

D Keoni Texeira, Portland

D Parker Wotherspoon, Tri-City

---

G Nick McBride, Prince Albert

 

D-Level Prospects:

 

RW Cal Babych, Calgary

C Alec Baer, Vancouver

F Vladimir Bobylev, Vancouver

F Matt Bradley, Medicine Hat

C Braydon Burke, Red Deer

LW Jake DeBrusk, Swift Current

RW Tate Coughlin, Kelowna

F Nick Chyzowski, Kamloops

C Terrell Draude, Calgary

C Giorgio Estephan, Lethbridge

C Matteo Gennaro, Prince Albert

F Cameron Hebig, Saskatoon

RW Semyon Krasheninnikov, Tri-City

C Curtis Miske, Spokane

RW Ty Ronning, Vancouver

RW Deven Sideroff, Kamloops

LW Jiri Smejkal, Moose Jaw

RW Michael Spacek, Medicine Hat

C Nikita Soshnin, Saskatoon

C Alexander True, Seattle

F Sergei Zborovsky, Regina

F Alexander Zhebelev, Everett

---

D Carter Cochrane, Everett

D Kevin Davis, Everett

D Evan Fiala, Spokane

D Brendan Guhle, Prince Albert

D Connor Hobbs, Medicine Hat

D Eduards Jansons, Red Deer

D Kade Jensen, Lethbridge

D Noah Juulsen, Everett

D Patrik Maier, Kamloops

D Tate Olson, Prince George

D Dmitry Osipov, Vancouver

---

G Taz Burman, Red Deer

G Patrick Dea, Edmonton

G Nick Schneider, Medicine Hat

 

OHL

 

S-Level Prospects:

 

C Travis Konecny, Ottawa

C Connor McDavid, Erie

F Pavel Zacha, Sarnia

 

A-Level Prospects:

 

F Mitch Marner, London

C Dylan Strome, Erie

---

D Rasmus Andersson, Barrie

 

B-Level Prospects:

 

LW Lawson Crouse, Kingston

RW Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia

---

D Matthew Spencer, Peterborough

 

C-Level Prospects:

 

F Artem Artemov, Saginaw

F Gustaf Franzen, Kitchener

LW Graham Knott, Niagara

C Matthew Kreis, Barrie

C Brett McKenzie, North Bay

RW Dante Salituro, Ottawa

C Blake Speers, Sault Ste. Marie

C Mitchell Stephens, Saginaw

---

D Travis Dermott, Erie

D Kyle Capobianco, Sudbury

D Justin Lemcke, Belleville

D Thomas Schemitsch, Owen Sound

D Mitch Vande Sompel, Oshawa

D Artem Vladimirov, Peterborough

---

G Mackenzie Blackwood, Barrie

 

D-Level Prospects:

 

LW Jeremiah Addison, Ottawa

C Jesse Barwell, Mississauga

RW Adam Craievich, Guelph

LW Mike Davies, Kitchener

RW Austin Gerhart, Mississauga

C Sam Harding, Oshawa

RW Lukas Haudum, Mississauga

F Ivan Kashtanov, Sudbury

C Mason Kohn, Kitchener

C Hayden McCool, Niagara

C Cullen Mercer, Plymouth

F Daniil Miromanov, London

C Ryan Moore, Windsor

C Ted Nichol, Kingston

LW Artur Tyanulin, Ottawa

RW Zachary Senyshen, Sault Ste. Marie

---

D Doug Blaisdell, Kitchener

D Gustav Bouramman, Sault Ste. Marie

D Andrew Burns, Windsor

D Alex DiCarlo, Plymouth

D Vince Dunn, Niagara

D Troy Henley, Ottawa

D Garrett McFadden, Guelph

D Medric Mercier, Sault Ste. Marie

D Ryan Orban, Saginaw

D Jarkko Parikka, Kingston

D Jesse Saban, Erie

D Connor Walters, Owen Sound

D Colton White, Sault Ste. Marie

D Zach Wilkie, Niagara

---

G Zach Bowman, Plymouth

G Justin Fazio, Sarnia

G Jeremy Helvig, Kingston

G Michael McNiven, Owen Sound

 

QMJHL:

 

A-Level Prospects:

 

RW Nicolas Roy, Chicoutimi

LW Evgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton

RW Daniel Sprong, Charlottetown

---

D Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke

 

B-Level Prospects:

 

F Nathan Noel, Saint John

---

D Nicolas Meloche, Baie-Comeau

 

C-Level Prospects:

 

F Anthony Beauvillier, Shawinigan

C Gabriel Gagné, Victoriaville

F Denis Malgin, Rouyn-Noranda

RW Timo Meier, Halifax

RW Dmytro Timashov, Quebec

LW Dennis Yan, Shawinigan

---

D Alexandre Carrier, Gatineau

D Thomas Chabot, Saint John

D Loik Léveillé, Cape Breton

D Jakub Zboril, Saint John

---

G Callum Booth, Quebec

 

D-Level Prospects:

 

C Cameron Askew, Drummondville

RW Philippe Chamberland, Val D’Or

C Filip Chlapik, Charlottetown

C Alex Dostie, Gatineau

F David Kase, Blainville-Boisbriand

F Samuel Laberge, Rimouski

RW Nikita Li, Saint John

LW Connor Moynihan, Halifax

F Egor Popov, Acadie-Bathurst

C Damien Riat, Val D’Or

F Kay Schweri, Sherbrooke

C Yakov Trenin, Gatineau

---

D Jason Bell, Cape Breton

D Simon Bourque, Rimouski

D Guillaume Brisebois, Acadie-Bathurst

D David Henley, Charlottetown

D Bradley Lalonde, Cape Breton

D Jeremy Lauzon, Rouyn-Noranda

D Andrew Picco, Rimouski

D Michael Thibault, Rimouski

D Will Thompson, Saint John

D Bailey Webster, Saint John

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G Samuel Montembeault, Blainville-Boisbriand

G Chris Smith, Saint John

[The_People1]

Thanks for these updates Crzy!

 

I'm keeping a close eye on Mathew Barzal as he's going to be available in the 3/4/5 overall spot which is right about where the Flames look to be drafting next June.  Hope he has a great year. 

[DirtyDeeds]

Thanks for these updates Crzy!

 

I'm keeping a close eye on Mathew Barzal as he's going to be available in the 3/4/5 overall spot which is right about where the Flames look to be drafting next June.  Hope he has a great year. 

 

aren't you the overly optimistic poster !!!

[Kulstad]

Thanks for these updates Crzy!

 

I'm keeping a close eye on Mathew Barzal as he's going to be available in the 3/4/5 overall spot which is right about where the Flames look to be drafting next June.  Hope he has a great year. 

 

 

aren't you the overly optimistic poster !!!

 

Not to mention clairvoyant.  The team hasn't even hit the ice yet, and already he's got their draft position locked up.

[Crzydrvr]

US Leagues/Jr A/High School/NCAA Commits Watchlist:

 

S-Level Prospects:

 

C Jack Eichel, Boston University (NCAA)

C Colin White, USA-U18s

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D Noah Hanifin, Boston College (NCAA)

 

A-Level Prospects:

 

F Kyle Connor, Youngstown (USHL)

LW Jordan Greenway, USA-U18s

---

D Zachary Werenski, USA-U18s

 

B-Level Prospects:

 

RW Jeremy Bracco, USA-U18s

LW AJ Greer, Boston University (NCAA)

---

D Nick Boka, USA-U18s

 

C-Level Prospects:

 

C Brock Boeser, Waterloo (USHL)

C David Cotton, Cushing (HS-Mass)

RW Christian Fischer, USA-U18s

F Jakob Karlsson, Omaha (USHL)

C Thomas Novak, Waterloo (USHL)

C Jack Roslovic, USA-U18s

LW Brendan Warren, USA-U18s

---

D Grant Gabriele, USA-U18s

D Ivan Provorov, Cedar Rapids (USHL)

 

D-Level Prospects:

 

C Artem Artemov, Chicago (USHL)

C Jared Bethune, Warroad (HS-Minn)

F Taggart Corriveau, Westminster (HS-Conn)

C Brent Gates, Green Bay (USHL)

RW Jacob Henderson, Omaha (USHL)

F Cameron Hughes, Wisconsin (NCAA)

C Robby Jackson, Chicago (USHL)

LW Sam Miletic, Green Bay (USHL)

C Chase Pearson, Youngstown (USHL)

LW Denis Smirnov, Indiana (USHL)

C Marcus Vela, Langley (BCHL)

---

D Tory Dello, Tri-City (USHL)

D Christian Evers, USA-U18s

D Brad Forrest, Calgary Mustangs (AJHL)

D Dennis Gilbert, Chicago (USHL)

D Caleb Jones, USA-U18s

D Charles McAvoy, USA-U18s

D Jack McNeely, Lakeville North (HS-Minn)

D Jack Sadek, Lakeville North (HS-Minn)

---

G Michael Lackey, USA-U18s

G Luke Opilka, USA-U18s

[Crzydrvr]

Watch List: European Leagues

 

S-Level:

 

D Oliver Kylington, Farjestad (Sweden)

 

A-Level:

 

C Mikko Rantanen, TPS (Finland)

C Aleksi Saarela, Assat (Finland)

 

B-Level:

 

F Sebastian Aho, Karpat (Finland)

F Fredrik Forsberg, Leksand (Sweden)

F Julius Nattinen, JYP (Finland)

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D Alexei Platonov, Atlanty Mystichi (Russia)

D Jonas Siegenthaler, ZSC (Switzerland)

 

C-Level Prospects:

 

LW Filip Ahl, HV71 (Sweden)

C Roope Hintz, Ilves (Finland)

RW Robin Kovacs, AIK (Sweden)

RW Petter Makitalo, Skelleftea J20 (Sweden J20)

F Kirill Pilipenko, HK MVD Jr (Russia MHL)

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D Gabriel Carlsson, Linkoping J20 (Sweden J20)

D Erik Cernak, Kosice (Slovakia)

D Sami Niku, JYP (Finland)

D Veeti Vainio, Blues U20 (Finland Jr. A)

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G Markus Olsson, MODO J20 (Sweden J20)

G Felix Sandstrom, Brynas J20 (Sweden J20)

G Daniel Vladar, Kladno (Czech U20)

 

D-Level Prospects:

 

F Semyon Afonasyevsky, Chelyabinsk (Russia MHL)

F Radovan Bondra, Kosice U20 (Slovakia U20)

LW Jonathan Davidsson, Djurgarden J20 (Sweden J20)

C Dominik Diem, GCK (Swiss Jr. A)

RW Einar Emanuelsson, Lulea J20 (Sweden J20)

F Fabian Haberstich, Langnau (Swiss Jr. A)

RW Auguste Impose, Geneve-Servette (Swiss Jr. A)

LW Jens Looke, Brynas J20 (Sweden J20)

F Philip Magnusson, Rogle J20 (Sweden J20)

F Joonas Niemela, Blues U20 (Finland Jr. A)

C Linus Olund, Brynas J20 (Sweden J20)

F Topi Piipponen, KalPa U20 (Finland Jr. A)

F Valentin Razumnyak, Ufa (Russia MHL)

RW Martin Sundberg, Linkoping J20 (Sweden J20)

C Jonne Tammela, KalPa U20 (Finland Jr. A)

RW Sami Tavernier, HIFK U20 (Finland Jr. A)

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D Lucas Carlsson, Brynas J20 (Sweden J20)

D Mario Grman, HV71 J20 (Sweden J20)

D Ville Jarvinen, Ilves U20 (Finland Jr. A)

D Jacob Larsson, Frolunda J20 (Sweden J20)

D Jesper Lindgren, MODO J20 (Sweden J20)

D Yevgeni Nazarkin, Chelyabinsk (Russia MHL)

D Luka Zorko, Atlanty Mystichi (Russia MHL)

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G Matej Tomek, Poprad (Slovakia U20)

G Maxim Tretiak, Moskva (Russia MHL)

G Veini Vehvilainen, JYP U20 (Finland Jr. A)

G Adam Werner, Farjestad J20 (Sweden J20)

[conundrumed]

Thks Crzy,

 

I'd love to ask you questions and have a row or something, but the truth is I check your lists when I go to jr games...thx buddy.

The O had a great draft class this year so I'll be patiently awaiting the 2016 list haha. My rookie dark horse is LW Max Jones, if you can call a late 1st rounder a dark horse. Not sure how US NTDP affects his OHL eligibility (there's a question??)

Entering jr at 6'2" and 190. The kid has tons of skill. Damn you London Knights!

Caught a 1/2 dozen honeybaked games and he impressed me more than the TO picks that went ahead of him.

[conundrumed]

Thanks for these updates Crzy!

 

I'm keeping a close eye on Mathew Barzal as he's going to be available in the 3/4/5 overall spot which is right about where the Flames look to be drafting next June.  Hope he has a great year. 

I get to watch Zacha!

He already looks about 25yo at 17.

Silly rigamorale from his agent upon being drafted, but I think his dad stepped in and ended the nonsense.

Sounds like his agent made one of those slimy pre-draft deals with the Remparts, didn't work out for him.

CHL should investigate him.

1st question: "Why did you fly off the handle that an OHL team selected him 1st overall, isn't that giving your client full props"?

Agents should be held accountable. He was playing his best interests methinks, not the player's.

 

Here's a link that includes Zacha's agent's tweets about being drafted by Sarnia #1 overall:

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/buzzing-the-net/sarnia-sting-ripped-allan-walsh-taking-pavel-zacha-154041824.html

[Crzydrvr]

Thks Crzy,

 

I'd love to ask you questions and have a row or something, but the truth is I check your lists when I go to jr games...thx buddy.

The O had a great draft class this year so I'll be patiently awaiting the 2016 list haha. My rookie dark horse is LW Max Jones, if you can call a late 1st rounder a dark horse. Not sure how US NTDP affects his OHL eligibility (there's a question??)

Entering jr at 6'2" and 190. The kid has tons of skill. Damn you London Knights!

Caught a 1/2 dozen honeybaked games and he impressed me more than the TO picks that went ahead of him.

 

As long as he doesn't play a game in a European pro league, he's eligible to play in the OHL. Although given that he has a commitment to the USNTDP in hand, he's probably not going to be in the OHL in his first year. No need to burn bridges with the national program that early. The best you could hope for, IMO, is that he plays his draft year in London but I think the likely scenario is that he gets drafted out of the US program, plays a year in the OHL and then enters the AHL a year before most CHL kids are allowed to.

 

Think Patrick Sieloff (the CHL-AHL agreement only applies to kids drafted out of the CHL, so for kids drafted from other programs there's a loophole). I think you'll start to see a lot more kids drafted out of the USHL or Europe who end up playing a year of CHL hockey before entering the AHL, especially the 1st round picks. There's a lot of talk about how the CHL-AHL agreement doesn't benefit the top-end players and this is going to be the product of NHL teams wanting their best young players to develop as much as they can in the 3 or 4 years where they are able to improve the fastest.

 

Max on skill was absolutely one of the top 5 players in the OHL draft, so for a team like London which generally has no problems with getting kids to report thanks to their wallets, that is an excellent pick.

 

I get to watch Zacha!

He already looks about 25yo at 17.

Silly rigamorale from his agent upon being drafted, but I think his dad stepped in and ended the nonsense.

Sounds like his agent made one of those slimy pre-draft deals with the Remparts, didn't work out for him.

CHL should investigate him.

1st question: "Why did you fly off the handle that an OHL team selected him 1st overall, isn't that giving your client full props"?

Agents should be held accountable. He was playing his best interests methinks, not the player's.

 

Here's a link that includes Zacha's agent's tweets about being drafted by Sarnia #1 overall:

 

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/buzzing-the-net/sarnia-sting-ripped-allan-walsh-taking-pavel-zacha-154041824.html

 

I doubt Walsh cares, he got his deal in the end. He's very good at posturing, and if he has to act like the bad guy to get the best possible deal for Zacha's services then he'll do it no questions asked. Does he look like an idiot after the fact, yes he does, but Sarnia felt the pressure and you can bet they didn't want to waste the 1st overall pick for nothing.

 

Zacha's father is supposedly a notable critic of the Czech youth hockey system, so it's expected that he'd be all for the CHL as an option.

[conundrumed]

I doubt Walsh cares, he got his deal in the end. He's very good at posturing, and if he has to act like the bad guy to get the best possible deal for Zacha's services then he'll do it no questions asked. Does he look like an idiot after the fact, yes he does, but Sarnia felt the pressure and you can bet they didn't want to waste the 1st overall pick for nothing.

 

Zacha's father is supposedly a notable critic of the Czech youth hockey system, so it's expected that he'd be all for the CHL as an option.

Why the angry tone from the outset though?

I get posturing, but that is not posturing. That is outright anger.

Could it be that drafts are fixed to a certain degree?

Hey, you said ask questions!

[Crzydrvr]

Why the angry tone from the outset though?

I get posturing, but that is not posturing. That is outright anger.

Could it be that drafts are fixed to a certain degree?

Hey, you said ask questions!

 

That's the way Walsh is. He's just like that. He was no doubt frustrated that his plans fell through but he's not brash enough to speak out unless he feels there's benefit to be gained from it.

 

The junior drafts are always fixed, a lot more so than the NHL draft. In the pros, the only thing that matters is whether or not he's the best player available on your list (the closest thing would be the Russian factor, since it has its basis in questioning a player's commitment to a team). In juniors, with many smaller clubs who are lucky to stay in business, let alone turn a multimillion dollar profit like the London Knights or the Quebec Remparts, there is a real limit on what you can do to attract players.

 

The import draft is the worst because of the large monetary incentives involved. Would Zacha report to a team based in a small town like Swift Current, out in the middle of nowhere? Would they even have the money to pay him to get out of his European contract? The answer is not likely to both. In that case, if you're SC's GM, would you blow a pick on a guy who's a long shot to even report, or pick a lesser player who's more of a sure bet to report and would cost a lot less to acquire?

 

That's why there are so many high-level players taken rather late in the Import draft. This gives a huge advantage to the big-league teams like Windsor, Kitchener, and Portland. They can offer the exposure and big-city glamour that a team like Cape Breton can't. They have all the negotiating clout and agents will definitely make exceptions for them.

 

You have to understand that the large majority of picks in the Import Draft are merely players who've already agreed to terms. Every now and then you get a smaller team who takes advantage of their draft position, like Sarnia, but for the large part most picks are preordained before they're ever announced.

 

It's also like this in the regular bantam and midget drafts, but it's a little easier to get kids from Ontario to report to an Ontario team, even if it's smaller, for example. Every now and then you get a Logan Couture who drops due to threats of taking the college route (originally the favoured 1st overall pick, before Tavares entered early), but for the most part the worst teams get the best available players. However, you often see kids who were top 2 and top 3 picks who drop because they have no wish to go to a small-town team. There's no way a player like Tyler Seguin was considered the 9th best player in his OHL draft, for example.

[conundrumed]

Preaching to the choir.

Small market's got it tough.

[phoenix66]

Somebody brought up a great point today at work.

Jack Eichel.. the almost consensus #2 prospect for the 2015 super draft, is a us college player. Potentially a Justin Schultz prospect. Is there any fear of taking him #2 if youre the flames? Hes already said hes a majir habs fan.. possible flight risk.

Is he just so darn good you take the risk? Or do you have a bit of trepidation of blowing a #2 overall pick..

Aside from the obvious homework teams are gonna do on the guy, just how risky is he and does he maybe slide?

[jjgallow]

Nice work Crzydrvr!!

 

Is Vladdy Hockey ending up on there now?

 

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/09/30/edmonton-oilers-contract-with-vladimir-tkachev-rejected-they-may-not-be-able-to-sign-him/

[travel_dude]

Nice work Crzydrvr!!

 

Is Vladdy Hockey ending up on there now?

 

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/09/30/edmonton-oilers-contract-with-vladimir-tkachev-rejected-they-may-not-be-able-to-sign-him/

 

Some of the fans are equating the screw up to Feaster and ROR.  Personally, I think it is worse.  At least Feaster had a stance that the CBA wording left some wiggle room (lawyer talk for I screwed up).  EDM didn't bother to research what a "full season" meant.

 

EDM will need to use one of its 2nd rounders if they want to be assured of getting him.  Some of the NHL teams have been scouting other team's prospects and players, so he was already on the RADAR.  Recent exposure by the media has raised the awareness.

I think it all depends on his showing in the Q this year.  If he manages something close to 1.5 PPG, then he is in converation to be picked early.  Otherwise, he is just another guy that showed up well in limited competition.

[Crzydrvr]

Somebody brought up a great point today at work.

Jack Eichel.. the almost consensus #2 prospect for the 2015 super draft, is a us college player. Potentially a Justin Schultz prospect. Is there any fear of taking him #2 if youre the flames? Hes already said hes a majir habs fan.. possible flight risk.

Is he just so darn good you take the risk? Or do you have a bit of trepidation of blowing a #2 overall pick..

Aside from the obvious homework teams are gonna do on the guy, just how risky is he and does he maybe slide?

 

He's entering the NCAA at 18, so after being drafted his NHL team holds him for 4 years. That being said, he graduates in 3 years after this season (because he's a late-born) so he's not getting out regardless.

 

At most he'll need another year so there's no choice but to sign his ELC with whoever drafts him. If he really wants out, he can only ask for a trade or wait until free agency. As an RFA he has very little leverage besides holding out, and in that case he loses the most.

 

Nice work Crzydrvr!!

 

Is Vladdy Hockey ending up on there now?

 

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/09/30/edmonton-oilers-contract-with-vladimir-tkachev-rejected-they-may-not-be-able-to-sign-him/

 

He's already on the overagers list (which you won't see for a while yet, unfortunately) and I really thought highly of him last year. That's why I was surprised that the Oilers signed him, because I was of the thought that they couldn't because of his 2 games in the KHL.

 

Luckily I was right and there wasn't a need to take him off the list, saving me some effort.

[travel_dude]

He's entering the NCAA at 18, so after being drafted his NHL team holds him for 4 years. That being said, he graduates in 3 years after this season (because he's a late-born) so he's not getting out regardless.

 

At most he'll need another year so there's no choice but to sign his ELC with whoever drafts him. If he really wants out, he can only ask for a trade or wait until free agency. As an RFA he has very little leverage besides holding out, and in that case he loses the most.

 

 

He's already on the overagers list (which you won't see for a while yet, unfortunately) and I really thought highly of him last year. That's why I was surprised that the Oilers signed him, because I was of the thought that they couldn't because of his 2 games in the KHL.

 

Luckily I was right and there wasn't a need to take him off the list, saving me some effort.

.

How is he overage?  He is 18.

[Crzydrvr]

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How is he overage?  He is 18.

 

By overage I mean for the draft. He was eligible last year but didn't get selected. This means this is technically his draft+1 season and thus he's a year older than the 17-year olds eligible for this draft, which means that also needs to be taken into account when evaluating him.

 

With the rise in players who are selected after being passed over when they were first eligible, there needs to be a separate list in order to go through the many players whose development takes a rapid turn afterwards. You can't evaluate them on the same level because in many cases they're still ahead physically or developmentally compared to their junior counterparts. That's why I separate the players who are 1st-time eligible and players who have gone back into the draft.

 

Ignoring players their first go-around will be a trend as it's just that much easier to predict the development of older players as compared to fresh adults. Unless you're a truly exceptional talent (in which case you'd be a high 1st or 2nd round pick regardless of age) then there is little difference separating each player so a large part of it will become "Who projects to be the best and who can I develop into the highest quality player?". Considering NHL teams only get a prospect in their system when he's 20 anyways, there's no big difference aside from the ability of the team to develop the player once he turns pro. That's why so many project picks are selected high each year.

[travel_dude]

He's entering the NCAA at 18, so after being drafted his NHL team holds him for 4 years. That being said, he graduates in 3 years after this season (because he's a late-born) so he's not getting out regardless.

 

At most he'll need another year so there's no choice but to sign his ELC with whoever drafts him. If he really wants out, he can only ask for a trade or wait until free agency. As an RFA he has very little leverage besides holding out, and in that case he loses the most.

 

 

He's already on the overagers list (which you won't see for a while yet, unfortunately) and I really thought highly of him last year. That's why I was surprised that the Oilers signed him, because I was of the thought that they couldn't because of his 2 games in the KHL.

 

Luckily I was right and there wasn't a need to take him off the list, saving me some effort.

 

Maybe you should be consulting for the Oilers (blech, I just threw up in my mouth).  You could have saved them some ridicule.

If their scouts were following him, they would have known about the games in the KHL.  If you know how to sign a player to an ATO, then you should know the rules.

[Crzydrvr]

Maybe you should be consulting for the Oilers (blech, I just threw up in my mouth).  You could have saved them some ridicule.

If their scouts were following him, they would have known about the games in the KHL.  If you know how to sign a player to an ATO, then you should know the rules.

 

That's the thing, it's a really obscure part of the CBA so I don't blame them for messing it up. The only reason I had any clue about it was due to the Tomas Hyka situation with Philly, they had some discussion on it and I remembered some of that. Tkachev played a few games earlier in the season so I don't blame anyone for forgetting those happened. Unless they follow Moncton and its media, they wouldn't remember all the hype from Tkachev coming over partway through the season.

 

That being said, that's a professional organization so they have a responsibility to do their diligence on prospects, it's inexcusable to mess up on something that obvious. Feaster signed O'Reilly because he felt that it was contentious and even if it failed he could take it to arbitration. This is pretty cut and dry in comparison.

[travel_dude]

That's the thing, it's a really obscure part of the CBA so I don't blame them for messing it up. The only reason I had any clue about it was due to the Tomas Hyka situation with Philly, they had some discussion on it and I remembered some of that. Tkachev played a few games earlier in the season so I don't blame anyone for forgetting those happened. Unless they follow Moncton and its media, they wouldn't remember all the hype from Tkachev coming over partway through the season.

 

That being said, that's a professional organization so they have a responsibility to do their diligence on prospects, it's inexcusable to mess up on something that obvious. Feaster signed O'Reilly because he felt that it was contentious and even if it failed he could take it to arbitration. This is pretty cut and dry in comparison.

Yes, I think I made that comment as well.  Feaster was less of a fool than a lawyer.

[JTech780]

Eichel with 5 apples in his first college game, not bad. This will be an interesting race to see who goes 1st overall. McDavid has the edge now, but Eichel hasn't had the same amount of exposure as of yet, I think he will close the gap playing college this year.

[Crzydrvr]

Crzy's Rankings - October 2014

 

 [1] [C]Connor McDavid, Erie(OHL)

 [2] [C]Jack Eichel, Boston University(NCAA-HE)

 [3] [D]Noah Hanifin, Boston College(NCAA-HE)

 [4] [D]Oliver Kylington, Farjestad(SHL)

 [5] [C]Mathew Barzal, Seattle(WHL)

 [6] [C]Dylan Strome, Erie(OHL)

 [7] [C]Colin White, USA-U-18s(USNTDP)

 [8] [F]Yevgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton(QMJHL)

 [9] [D]Zach Werenski, Michigan(NCAA-B10)

 [10] [D]Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke (QMJHL)

 [11] [C]Travis Konecny, Ottawa(OHL)

 [12] [F]Pavel Zacha, Sarnia(OHL)

 [13] [F]Kyle Connor, Youngstown(USHL)

 [14] [D]Rasmus Andersson, Barrie(OHL)

 [15] [C]Nick Merkley, Kelowna(WHL)

 [16] [C]Mikko Rantanen, TPS(Liiga)

 [17] [F]Jeremy Bracco, USA-U18s(USNTDP)

 [18] [F]Mitchell Marner, London(OHL)

 [19] [F]Jordan Greenway, USA-U18s(USNTDP)

 [20] [F]Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia(OHL

 [21] [F]Jesse Gabrielle, Brandon(WHL)

 [22] [F]Nathan Noel, Saint John(QMJHL)

 [23] [C]Aleksi Saarela, Assat(Liiga)

 [24] [F]Dmytro Timashov, Quebec(QMJHL)

 [25] [C]Jansen Harkins, Prince George(WHL)

 [26] [F]Ryan Gropp, Seattle(WHL)

 [27] [D]Ryan Pilon, Brandon(WHL)

 [28] [F]A.J. Greer, Boston University(NCAA-HE)

 [29] [F]Kay Schweri, Sherbrooke(QMJHL)

 [30] [F]Lawson Crouse, Kingston(OHL)

[Flyerfan52]

Crzy's Rankings - October 2014

 

 [1] [C]Connor McDavid, Erie(OHL)

 

 [2] [C]Jack Eichel, Boston University(NCAA-HE)

 

 [3] [D]Noah Hanifin, Boston College(NCAA-HE)

 

 [4] [D]Oliver Kylington, Farjestad(SHL)

 

 [5] [C]Mathew Barzal, Seattle(WHL)

 

 [6] [C]Dylan Strome, Erie(OHL)

 

 [7] [C]Colin White, USA-U-18s(USNTDP)

 

 [8] [F]Yevgeni Svechnikov, Cape Breton(QMJHL)

 

 [9] [D]Zach Werenski, Michigan(NCAA-B10)

 

 [10] [D]Jeremy Roy, Sherbrooke (QMJHL)

 

 [11] [C]Travis Konecny, Ottawa(OHL)

 

 [12] [F]Pavel Zacha, Sarnia(OHL)

 

 [13] [F]Kyle Connor, Youngstown(USHL)

 

 [14] [D]Rasmus Andersson, Barrie(OHL)

 

 [15] [C]Nick Merkley, Kelowna(WHL)

 

 [16] [C]Mikko Rantanen, TPS(Liiga)

 

 [17] [F]Jeremy Bracco, USA-U18s(USNTDP)

 

 [18] [F]Mitchell Marner, London(OHL)

 

 [19] [F]Jordan Greenway, USA-U18s(USNTDP)

 

 [20] [F]Nikita Korostelev, Sarnia(OHL

 

 [21] [F]Jesse Gabrielle, Brandon(WHL)

 

 [22] [F]Nathan Noel, Saint John(QMJHL)

 

 [23] [C]Aleksi Saarela, Assat(Liiga)

 

 [24] [F]Dmytro Timashov, Quebec(QMJHL)

 

 [25] [C]Jansen Harkins, Prince George(WHL)

 

 [26] [F]Ryan Gropp, Seattle(WHL)

 

 [27] [D]Ryan Pilon, Brandon(WHL)

 

 [28] [F]A.J. Greer, Boston University(NCAA-HE)

 

 [29] [F]Kay Schweri, Sherbrooke(QMJHL)

 

 [30] [F]Lawson Crouse, Kingston(OHL)

So if we do end up drafting a kid nemed Connor it's likely 1 with the 1st name Kyle.

Would that make you happy jj?

That kid actually looks pretty good from the link Crzy posted.

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Despite the start I see the Flames as a bubble team. No way are we going to pass the California teams long term yet while the Central has Chi-town, St. L while Minny, Nashville  & Dallas aren't to be taken lightly.

In the Pacific the Orca will try a last ditch effort to try to win more then an participant ribbon for the clones so will raid the cupboard that idn't as deep as fans imagine for that last push.

 

So unless we get really lucky in the lottery we'll pick around the perimeter between playoffs & possible lottery (10-14).

We'll aim higher so TD trades will be made to add. If we finish on the non-contender part of the bubble I can see Treliving & BB having brain storming type meeting & decide what is needed as upgrades. I figure they'll be active in the week leading to the draft & continue to the last minute.

 

We're close but keep that cigar in the box.