cross16 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 2017-10-20 at 6:50 PM, Flyerfan52 said: What is the "right situation"? Not bottom a bottom 6 role playing with guys like versteeg, Brouwer, Lazar and little PP time, plus mostly in a defensive role. Developing an offensive player on the bottom 6 makes no sense. And it was not a comparison between Bennett and couturier, the years of experience make that unfair. The point is that putting player in different situations can produce different results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/21/2017 at 10:43 PM, cross16 said: Not bottom a bottom 6 role playing with guys like versteeg, Brouwer, Lazar and little PP time, plus mostly in a defensive role. Developing an offensive player on the bottom 6 makes no sense. And it was not a comparison between Bennett and couturier, the years of experience make that unfair. The point is that putting player in different situations can produce different results. I feel we did to Bennett the same as what we did to Monahan, aka sheltering him behind Stajan and Backlund on the 3rd line. Monahan put up numbers and didn't Monahan's winger change constantly until Gaudreau arrived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, The_People1 said: I feel we did to Bennett the same as what we did to Monahan, aka sheltering him behind Stajan and Backlund on the 3rd line. Monahan put up numbers and didn't Monahan's winger change constantly until Gaudreau arrived? He ended up with Hudler, which was a big jump in skill compared to what we've given Bennett. Hudler and Gaudreau then drove the line the next year, and I'd say Gaudreau still does... But i am biased, which is why I think we see a good Bennett when Gaudreau plays with him. If Monahan is so good, then lets give him what we've been giving Bennett? I know that's not gonna happen is why move away from something proven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, The_People1 said: I feel we did to Bennett the same as what we did to Monahan, aka sheltering him behind Stajan and Backlund on the 3rd line. Monahan put up numbers and didn't Monahan's winger change constantly until Gaudreau arrived? Interestingly enoogh Monahan and Bennetts rookie year numbers are pretty similar. Once again I think the recent bias is making people forget that Bennett had a pretty promising rookie year. It's what's happened since that is the issue. I belive Monahan played much exclusively with Hudler as a rookie and the other ringer rotates but Hudler-Monahan was a constant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, cross16 said: Interestingly enoogh Monahan and Bennetts rookie year numbers are pretty similar. Once again I think the recent bias is making people forget that Bennett had a pretty promising rookie year. It's what's happened since that is the issue. I belive Monahan played much exclusively with Hudler as a rookie and the other ringer rotates but Hudler-Monahan was a constant. Difference being that Monahan played center exclusively to Bennett playing on the wing. I agree year two was bad. Perhaps we can all just agree that Bennett is a promising player and leave position out of it. Play him in the spot where he can do the most damage for and least damage to. I don't care if he stays a center or not, as long as he gets to be the type of impact player we hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Difference being that Monahan played center exclusively to Bennett playing on the wing. I agree year two was bad. Perhaps we can all just agree that Bennett is a promising player and leave position out of it. Play him in the spot where he can do the most damage for and least damage to. I don't care if he stays a center or not, as long as he gets to be the type of impact player we hoped for. he took the draws but from a responsibility perspective Monahan was more of a winger than a center actually. But big picture it's hard to compare them both and we shouldn't assume their development would be the same. IMO Monahan has elite hockey sense and it make him ready for pro hockey before Bennett was and I think the Flames needed to do more to help Bennett than the Flames did for Monahan and I think pat of it is they didn't pick up on this. Monahan is really an exception when it comes to development he shouldn't be the blueprint. But you are right at the end of the day what's done is done and you have to deal with the now. Put him on the wing and just do whatever it takes to get his confidence back up there as that should be the only goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, cross16 said: But you are right at the end of the day what's done is done and you have to deal with the now. Put him on the wing and just do whatever it takes to get his confidence back up there as that should be the only goal. Maybe getting back to playing with Backlund is the right answer. No reason why the top shutdown line can't also be a bigger contributor to the scoresheet. Tkachuk is a shift disturber. Maybe the best thing is to get him with Monahan. I have no illusions that Janko can be a 60 point player this soon, if ever. That was never his game. He's got the tools, but I think he's been developed more as a Backlund than a Monahan. So, loading up the top two lines and having Janko form a decent defensively minded line that can shut down good lines doesn't sound too bad to me. Put Jagr in that role and give Jagr PP minutes. As long as the 4th line is more competant than they have shown to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 They should just send Bennett to the AHL for a 20 game stint. IF they're so intent on him being a Center, he needs to play meaningful games there, and learn. It's what the AHL is for, not the NHL. Bennett has NHL skill, but, not at Center (yet?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 This Bennett debate comes down to team direction because we all agree that consistent ice time in set situations help prospects grow and develop. So the dilemma is, do we keep Bennett at Center at the cost of team wins? Move him around, team wins but we toy with a prospect and set him up for failure (offensively speaking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, robrob74 said: They should just send Bennett to the AHL for a 20 game stint. IF they're so intent on him being a Center, he needs to play meaningful games there, and learn. It's what the AHL is for, not the NHL. Bennett has NHL skill, but, not at Center (yet?). Not now that is totally the wrong way to treat this situation and player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, The_People1 said: This Bennett debate comes down to team direction because we all agree that consistent ice time in set situations help prospects grow and develop. So the dilemma is, do we keep Bennett at Center at the cost of team wins? Move him around, team wins but we toy with a prospect and set him up for failure (offensively speaking). Flip a coin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, MAC331 said: Flip a coin Unfortunately, the team has already decided we are going for it all this season. Thus, trading away 1st round picks to win now. The team has decided Bennett will sink or swim (again, from a scoring standpoint). If he becomes a 3rd line Defensive specialist then that's too bad. We have decided as an organization that the time for growing pains are over. Investing in youth for the sake of the future is over. We are winning now. Quite frankly, anything in the middle is a compromise and both the team and prospect will fail as a result. Pick one and go with it. And we picked one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, robrob74 said: They should just send Bennett to the AHL for a 20 game stint. IF they're so intent on him being a Center, he needs to play meaningful games there, and learn. It's what the AHL is for, not the NHL. Bennett has NHL skill, but, not at Center (yet?). Hes waiver eligible so unless he gets hurt and their is a condition stint involved this isn't an option. They would most certainly lose him on waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Unfortunately, the team has already decided we are going for it all this season. Thus, trading away 1st round picks to win now. The team has decided Bennett will sink or swim (again, from a scoring standpoint). If he becomes a 3rd line Defensive specialist then that's too bad. We have decided as an organization that the time for growing pains are over. Investing in youth for the sake of the future is over. We are winning now. Quite frankly, anything in the middle is a compromise and both the team and prospect will fail as a result. Pick one and go with it. And we picked one. My caution is don't get to far ahead of yourself BT could have been referring to the next 2 seasons not necessarily this one. We have a good youth to veteran mix but just look at the issues we are having with our youth. They are not totally ready and if they don't perform the vets we have are not the difference makers like on other mature teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, The_People1 said: This Bennett debate comes down to team direction because we all agree that consistent ice time in set situations help prospects grow and develop. So the dilemma is, do we keep Bennett at Center at the cost of team wins? Move him around, team wins but we toy with a prospect and set him up for failure (offensively speaking). I think it's broader than that. He's a NHL player first and a center second. How do you fix the player? Leave him at center and hope that he can figure out the role he has to play to score or play him in a role that he can get back to doing what used to come naturally. There is nothing harder to learn than to be a good center. If he struggles on the dot, then he'll start to cheat and get tossed. If he misses out in the O-zone, he'll start to forget his responsibility in coming back. Backlund learned the hard way. He played up and down the lineup, sometimes playing 8 minutes. But every time they did that, Backlund showed their folly. Wth Bennett, I think playing consistent minutes at any position is better than getting reduced minutes. And you can't reward him for not playing up to the minutes at center. I was originally saying keep him at center, but watching him struggle there pains me. I want him to gain his confidence back and have 4 goal games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 hour ago, travel_dude said: I think it's broader than that. He's a NHL player first and a center second. How do you fix the player? Leave him at center and hope that he can figure out the role he has to play to score or play him in a role that he can get back to doing what used to come naturally. There is nothing harder to learn than to be a good center. If he struggles on the dot, then he'll start to cheat and get tossed. If he misses out in the O-zone, he'll start to forget his responsibility in coming back. Backlund learned the hard way. He played up and down the lineup, sometimes playing 8 minutes. But every time they did that, Backlund showed their folly. Wth Bennett, I think playing consistent minutes at any position is better than getting reduced minutes. And you can't reward him for not playing up to the minutes at center. I was originally saying keep him at center, but watching him struggle there pains me. I want him to gain his confidence back and have 4 goal games. I've seen the comparisons about Monahan & Bennett coming out of junior. The major difference was Monahan came out of a bad team & the assumption was playing on with them would stump his growth. Bennett was drafted from a pretty good team (was returned to them after the Flames were eliminated & did better playing with kids again). Regardless SB certainly isn't the player we thought we were getting. Even @ wing he's not that good. Unlike the love for Sven this time I was swept up in the maybe Bennett brought. Now I see him as tradebait before he loses value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, cross16 said: Hes waiver eligible so unless he gets hurt and their is a condition stint involved this isn't an option. They would most certainly lose him on waivers. I looked online to see, and I thought it meant that he could still pass through... OOPS, my bad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 14 hours ago, Flyerfan52 said: I've seen the comparisons about Monahan & Bennett coming out of junior. The major difference was Monahan came out of a bad team & the assumption was playing on with them would stump his growth. Bennett was drafted from a pretty good team (was returned to them after the Flames were eliminated & did better playing with kids again). Regardless SB certainly isn't the player we thought we were getting. Even @ wing he's not that good. Unlike the love for Sven this time I was swept up in the maybe Bennett brought. Now I see him as tradebait before he loses value. Really ? I like what you had to say regarding the teams and different lines taken by Monahan and Bennett from their efforts. I noticed right off the bat that Monahan was a very fundamentally sound player and maybe that comes from not being the greatest skater and good coaching. On the other hand Bennett created his own success using his speed and aggressive nature to have success in Junior and to some degree when he arrived here. Systems and another level of talented players can nullify some talents if one the player doesn't adjust his game or if he gets placed wrong. In Bennett's case and this isn't the first time I have said this, he doesn't seem smart enough to play C at the NHL level. I think his game is better applied as a Winger and I hope this plays out successfully because this is where I see his value. I want to see Gary Roberts II. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 10/23/2017 at 3:36 PM, robrob74 said: They should just send Bennett to the AHL for a 20 game stint. IF they're so intent on him being a Center, he needs to play meaningful games there, and learn. It's what the AHL is for, not the NHL. Bennett has NHL skill, but, not at Center (yet?). I could be wrong but I think Bennett would have to clear waivers(not going to happen) to be sent to the AHL. I think he has way too many NHL games under his belt now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said: I could be wrong but I think Bennett would have to clear waivers(not going to happen) to be sent to the AHL. I think he has way too many NHL games under his belt now. Ya, I wasn’t sure. I looked online and thought the site I was on said he could, but it may have inferred that above 71 games players have to clear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Bennett just had his best game of the season in Nashville. That end to end rush where he split the D... Felt like they took the reins off him, reduced defensive responsibilities, freedom to create, less pressure when a mistake is made, etc. It also felt like the spotlight was on Jankowski because he's the shiny new prospect and Bennett wanted to say "don't forget about me." I liked that line overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fins&FIre15 Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 I thought it was a good line too, sick rush by Bennett. Man Lazar needs to burry some of those though XD Seemed like his stick placement was always just one inch off when he had the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 It's one game. But Bennett looked great on the wing and Jankowski was good. Smart player. I like the combo. If Ferland or another finds a place on the top line Jagr would look great with those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just wanted to point out that Aho is widely thought of as a great young player scored his first of the season tonight, yet there was never any mention of his slow start this year. Bennett isn't the only young guy to have a slow start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 15 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said: Just wanted to point out that Aho is widely thought of as a great young player scored his first of the season tonight, yet there was never any mention of his slow start this year. Bennett isn't the only young guy to have a slow start. That line looked awesome against the Blues and the chemistry is building. Bennett will get more goals like the one he scored than the pretty ones. Jankowski and Jagr are both smart heads up players, great match with Bennett's aggressiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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