kehatch Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 There are always teams looking for starters. Injuries, trades, insurance, etc. You can find a home for a proven veteran with one season left under contract, especially after a strong season. Plus, the Flames can always retain salary if they can. I think the most likely situation is that Ramo walks and Hiller and Ortio get the net next season. But there are lots of other things that could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I don't think Hiller will be as easy to trade as some people think. He makes $4.5mill so no team is going to bring him in as a backup so he has to go somewhere where will be a starter, that leaves a very limited amount of teams. Buffalo: There is talk that they may re-sign Neuvirth, I don't see them giving up much to get Hiller. Edmonton: Maybe a fit here, the most we get in return is a Ference, Fayne, or a Nikitin. Minnesota: I think they re-sign Dubnyk. Philadelphia: Makes some sense, but Mason has been good for them, just can't stay healthy. San Jose: I think they go with a young goalie. So that is maybe 5 teams. One of those 5 teams will go after Niemi first. Neimi is not a goalie people would have any faith in, considering he is on the outs with SJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Neimi is not a goalie people would have any faith in, considering he is on the outs with SJ. Niemi has almost identical numbers to Hiller over the last couple of seasons. He has a cup ring. Plus he can be had for just a contract if San Jose doesn't re-sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Wow you guys. What is your team doing right now? Why stress until the season comes to pass? Kind of a ridiculous argument before we know what transpires THIS season. We're kind of doing okay, from any vantage point. Why harp the negatives out of which goalie should go, I guess is my point. At this point, neither. Stop trading them. IMHO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Wow you guys. What is your team doing right now? Why stress until the season comes to pass? Kind of a ridiculous argument before we know what transpires THIS season. We're kind of doing okay, from any vantage point. Why harp the negatives out of which goalie should go, I guess is my point. At this point, neither. Stop trading them. IMHO, of course. Not every post can be about the making the playoffs. Though there are a bunch of those. Ramo is a pending free agent so its a fair discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Not every post can be about the making the playoffs. Though there are a bunch of those. Ramo is a pending free agent so its a fair discussion. So we'll lose him for nothing? Is that the problem? He's helping us, does that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 So we'll lose him for nothing? Is that the problem? He's helping us, does that matter? It doesn't to me. But obviously there will be discussion around a pending UFA. Will they trade him? Extend him? Should they keep him over Hiller? When is Ortio ready? There isn't a problem. Its just a discussion board and this is a valid discussion is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 You got me. I give up. Let's keep the focus on which of these 2 needs to go. Seems like a good thing to stir up controversy about. I know media doesn't thrive on that. Our goalies brought it to the table this year. Heck, we're looking very unpredictable in my homer eyes. Again, and I can't stress this enough, I live in the now. And right now, we have a terrific tandem. In the off season, we have some hard decisions. It's where it's at. I love our tandem, piss off with the drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob1974 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I agree. And I am still not entirely sold on Ortio. I fear he is a smaller goalie which might get noticed and teams take advantage of it. Ortio tends to leave the top corners wide open and in the nhl that's dangerous with nhl player's shot accuracy, in tight it's hard, but distant shots he goes down early... Don't get me wrong, I am glad he won his games and I hope he proves otherwise. I want us to have the best goalie possible. Although, I vote Ramo and Hiller again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 You got me. I give up. Let's keep the focus on which of these 2 needs to go. Seems like a good thing to stir up controversy about. I know media doesn't thrive on that. Our goalies brought it to the table this year. Heck, we're looking very unpredictable in my homer eyes. Again, and I can't stress this enough, I live in the now. And right now, we have a terrific tandem. In the off season, we have some hard decisions. It's where it's at. I love our tandem, piss off with the drama. I agree. This years tandem is far better than last years. We upgraded the position with Hiller and created some competition with the Ortio 1 way signing for next year. Might be BT's best moves since coming here. Seems every year around the trade deadline we see all sorts of deals come down the fan forums chute.... This year our goalies have been particularly rehashed, retreaded over and again. I am beginning to wonder how some of these proposals even show up?? is it that the trade works for XBox Hockey(or whatever one allows trades) so it must be a good thing for the Flames or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 I agree. I appreciate that from yourself and robrob. I think I needed it actually! Sorry kehatch, I wasn't meaning to be a grunt about it, but we're where we shouldn't be. Reading "ah Hiller this, ah Ramo that" really strikes a nerve in me. Especially the "whose gotta go?". It isn't the time to have that discussion imho. So I apologize if I came across very narrow-minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 You may not want to have a discussion about which goalies to keep beyond this season. That's fine. But this is a Flames discussion board, this is a relevant topic, and this is the correct thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 With the trade deadline coming, and our playoff position looking increasingly tenuous when we can't score in 2of 3 games this week, it is very relevant. Do we trade one now and try and get someone on the team who can take the minutes Gio now cannot? Do we try and get some scoring back on the team? If we don't, is this the same tandom we want to run with next year? If Ramo can keep up the performance he's had the last 3 games, I honestly think that Hiller would be a great asset to have on the trading block to help us stock some scoring and defence depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zirakzigil Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Another great game by Ramo tonight. Going to be tough going if Gio is out long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Ramo has been very good. He looks calm and quiet. A great sign for a goalie. If he can keep it up he is going to give Flames management a lot to think about going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 You gotta feel for Ramo, he allows 1 goal in each of his last 3 road starts and he gets one win. It’s unfortunate our scoring has dried up because we should be talking about Ramo’s 3 gm win streak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreckening Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 You gotta feel for Ramo, he allows 1 goal in each of his last 3 road starts and he gets one win. It’s unfortunate our scoring has dried up because we should be talking about Ramo’s 3 gm win streak. Agreed. The one thing that annoys me to this day is the fact that after last season the Flames came out and said Ramo was going to be the number 1 coming into this season. Then things changed. For the better? Probably.....but whose to say really? Its been mentioned on here that Ramo reminds them a little bit of Kipper. I would say in one aspect he does. Kipper was a slow starter too and usually starting playing his best hockey a month or two in. I see this trait in Ramo. As well they both seem to have the same shyness in the media way about them and that's about where the similarities end in my opinion. I think Ramo has a better work ethic then Kipper. He's always out taking pucks even when he doesn't have to. He's stayed in game shape despite going long stretches on the bench. Hartley has gone out of his way to mention just how professional he is. Now does this mean Ramo is better than Kipper? Uh.....no. Is Ramo a quality tender? I would say yes, most definitely. Has he gotten the chance to prove it? Not really. He's just a victim of circumstance. And it doesn't get any better for him next season should the Flames choose to re-sign him. We have Ortio chomping at the bit to stay with the big club and we still have Hiller for 1 more year. Something has to give. As far as discussing who stays and who goes. You don't have to be a genius to see the writing on the wall for our goaltenders. One of them won't be a Flame come next season. I think its quite pertinent to be discussing these things at this time of year because at this point we see what our needs are and what we have as assets to acquire said needs. Goaltending just happens to be one of our strengths. Don't you doubt for one minute that Treliving and company aren't looking ahead to the off season and what moves they are going to make in regards to our goaltending as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Agreed. The one thing that annoys me to this day is the fact that after last season the Flames came out and said Ramo was going to be the number 1 coming into this season. Then things changed. For the better? Probably.....but whose to say really? Its been mentioned on here that Ramo reminds them a little bit of Kipper. I would say in one aspect he does. Kipper was a slow starter too and usually starting playing his best hockey a month or two in. I see this trait in Ramo. As well they both seem to have the same shyness in the media way about them and that's about where the similarities end in my opinion. I think Ramo has a better work ethic then Kipper. He's always out taking pucks even when he doesn't have to. He's stayed in game shape despite going long stretches on the bench. Hartley has gone out of his way to mention just how professional he is. Now does this mean Ramo is better than Kipper? Uh.....no. Is Ramo a quality tender? I would say yes, most definitely. Has he gotten the chance to prove it? Not really. He's just a victim of circumstance. And it doesn't get any better for him next season should the Flames choose to re-sign him. We have Ortio chomping at the bit to stay with the big club and we still have Hiller for 1 more year. Something has to give. As far as discussing who stays and who goes. You don't have to be a genius to see the writing on the wall for our goaltenders. One of them won't be a Flame come next season. I think its quite pertinent to be discussing these things at this time of year because at this point we see what our needs are and what we have as assets to acquire said needs. Goaltending just happens to be one of our strengths. Don't you doubt for one minute that Treliving and company aren't looking ahead to the off season and what moves they are going to make in regards to our goaltending as well. Its called healthy competition. I don't see anyone suggesting trading Ortio.......... and keeping Hiller/Ramo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Probably a good time to discuss our cap floor issues. Is having 3 goalies on 1 ways something that might be beneficial? Particularly with all of the Glencross trade talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Probably a good time to discuss our cap floor issues. Is having 3 goalies on 1 ways something that might be beneficial? Particularly with all of the Glencross trade talk? It would be, Only if the Flames were keeping all three up in the NHL. I don't personally see that happening. Nor would I want it to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 As far as discussing who stays and who goes. You don't have to be a genius to see the writing on the wall for our goaltenders. One of them won't be a Flame come next season. I think its quite pertinent to be discussing these things at this time of year because at this point we see what our needs are and what we have as assets to acquire said needs. Goaltending just happens to be one of our strengths. Don't you doubt for one minute that Treliving and company aren't looking ahead to the off season and what moves they are going to make in regards to our goaltending as well. Theres no sure thing one will be gone by next season. Just because Ortio is on a one way doesn't mean he cant play in Adirondack, just means he gets paid the same either way. I see all 3 goalies in camp, to anoint Ortio to the big team is not only management suicide, but a slap in the face for players to see you can lose your job without so much as a competition. The only way i see any of these 3 getting traded prior to next season is if something is coming back . To let Ramo walk , also quite silly , hes proven he can play in this league, as a starter or backup is still up for debate, but im pretty sure theres a team or 2 he'd be the starter 1st day (look north for example) Remember , GOOD teams at any time have at least 3 goaltenders they are comfortable giving a start to on any day. look how many have gone down this year , and how many have come from the minors to have big games. After our 3 , who do we have you'd be comfortable starting in a game with the playoffs on the line? You go backwards by trading one right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Theres no sure thing one will be gone by next season. Just because Ortio is on a one way doesn't mean he cant play in Adirondack, just means he gets paid the same either way. I see all 3 goalies in camp, to anoint Ortio to the big team is not only management suicide, but a slap in the face for players to see you can lose your job without so much as a competition. The only way i see any of these 3 getting traded prior to next season is if something is coming back . To let Ramo walk , also quite silly , hes proven he can play in this league, as a starter or backup is still up for debate, but im pretty sure theres a team or 2 he'd be the starter 1st day (look north for example) Remember , GOOD teams at any time have at least 3 goaltenders they are comfortable giving a start to on any day. look how many have gone down this year , and how many have come from the minors to have big games. After our 3 , who do we have you'd be comfortable starting in a game with the playoffs on the line? You go backwards by trading one right now Pretty sure we're on the same page. We can only solidify our G further to give us more options and even better returns. There's a possibility Gillies is in camp next year also. A few short months ago, this was a good problem to have! It's still a good problem to have. Perhaps Gillies becomes the IR callup and Ortio can sail fair in the A another year. Lock up Ramo for 3 more, Hiller becomes next year's deadline fodder, and we hopefully have great depth at the position to bargain with. Ramo has earned the contract, I agree the optics in our group are going to suck if he's allowed to walk. Particularly if we play a "not interested in signing you again" card. Karma's tough, you've gotta reward your top players, our tandem has earned it. While the media has feasted on Gio, Brodie and Johnny/Mona/Huds, even Bouma, the under-lying story, methinks, is our tandem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Theres no sure thing one will be gone by next season. Just because Ortio is on a one way doesn't mean he cant play in Adirondack, just means he gets paid the same either way. I see all 3 goalies in camp, to anoint Ortio to the big team is not only management suicide, but a slap in the face for players to see you can lose your job without so much as a competition. The only way i see any of these 3 getting traded prior to next season is if something is coming back . To let Ramo walk , also quite silly , hes proven he can play in this league, as a starter or backup is still up for debate, but im pretty sure theres a team or 2 he'd be the starter 1st day (look north for example) Remember , GOOD teams at any time have at least 3 goaltenders they are comfortable giving a start to on any day. look how many have gone down this year , and how many have come from the minors to have big games. After our 3 , who do we have you'd be comfortable starting in a game with the playoffs on the line? You go backwards by trading one right now You have to remember that all 3 goalies are waiver eligible. End of camp, you need to waive one if you haven't traded one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 The Flames are apparently trying to get the KHL to release goalie Deslauriers so they can sign him to a contract. Colorado (or ECHL) team has brought in a full time replacement for Carr and it looks like they may not expect to see him back anytime soon. The fact that the Flames are trying to move Glencross in the midst of a playoff run show that Treliving hasn't deviated from the rebuild path and doesn't want to lose a free agent for nothing. Add that all up and there is speculation (just chatter at this point) that the Flames may actually move Ramo (or Hiller) before the deadline. Personally I think it's a depth move to replace Ortio. Even with that it doesn't make a bunch of sense to me. But there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 You have to remember that all 3 goalies are waiver eligible. End of camp, you need to waive one if you haven't traded one. Not Ortio, still only at about 14 games, and assuming ATOs count as when he signed his 1st nhl contract his age rule wont kick in until after next season. If ATOs dont count, then still about 2 years away, or until he hits his 60 games.his one way contract does not impact his waiver eligibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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