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I would rather them do (almost) anything over a buyout.

Ryan Pike @RyanNPike · 13m With Andrew Mangiapane's arbitration case settled, the #Flames will have access to the second buyout period beginning in three days.

Most infamous fight was against Coby Cave. Concussion for MP after that.

So, the buyout window.... Is that after the final settled deal that was going to arbitration or after the last scheduled date of one?

In 3 years, what is a 25g 25a player going to be worth? Doubt it's less than 6.

Next up, signing Rozie and figuring out what to do with 12F, 9D, 2G and mending Monahan.

If we don't buy into the idea of a Gio cap, the overall cap only gave so much available. Seems to me we spent to the cap every year. We couldn't have gotten Gaudreau close to $6.75M adding a couple of year. Tkachuk was in a way the same issues.

That's a big risk. Has to do that for two in a row. While most probably pencil him in on the top line, he could end up with Backlund. Since 19/20, Backlund's p/gp has dropped. He could resurge or regress. If this was his choice, and it's very possible, he's waiting for the steep cap increases.

See, I was using the QO based on 105% of his final year salary. Not sure how it can be less, but admitedly I don't know.

It seems like a rush negotiation. Unless he wanted $7M x 8, I don't get this deal at all. Are we suddenly worried about locking anyone up past 2025? Or is this a way to manage cup until then. Seems like a small discount to sign a short term deal.

Ruzie's QO was $876k, so it would be unusual for him to end up with less.

Doesn't show but it's two way. I think Meloche is a given, but only because we didn't sign him to waive him. Not to imply he isn't deserving; I see him as 6 or 7 at worst. They scouted the guy for a reason. As far as prospects? I see Pelletier having the same attitude as when he was drafted. He was PO'd about getting cut, he knew he got away from his game. Had a big chip on his shoulder. Was tld what was expected of him. He turned that into a great AHL season. As for the available D, I don't know how they manage. No significant trades and we are still left with 8, Mackey be next up. That doesn't really work out. Sutter would like to have a 2nd #3 pair, maybe Mackey-Meloche, but how would they ever get used? Pulll the 3rd pair, which now looks like Zaddy-Kyl. That would be a mistake to pull.

CURRENT CONTRACT STANDARD CONTRACT COMPARE THIS CONTRACT SIGNED BY: Brad Treliving LENGTH: 1 YEAR EXPIRY STATUS: RFA SIGNING TEAM: Calgary Flames VALUE: $750,000 C.H.% : 0.91 SIGNING DATE: Aug. 2, 2022 SOURCE: CapFriendly Martin Pospisil signed a 1 year, $750,000 contract with the Calgary Flames on Aug. 2, 2022. The contract has a cap hit of $750,000. SEASON CLAUSE CAP HIT AAV P. BONUSES S. BONUSES BASE SALARY TOTAL SALARY MINORS SAL 2022-23 $750,000 $750,000 $0 $0 $750,000 $750,000 $80,000 TOTAL $750,000 $750,000 $0 $0 $750,000 $750,000 $80,000

Maybe we can get off the rebuild kick in this thread for a bit. We have the Blow it Up thread, if you like. I won't be posting anything more about rebuilds here. Fill your boots if you want to have the last say.

WAS traded Forsberg for Erat and later won the cup. STL didn't trade the farm and went on to win the cup. Some things are historical and some are hysterical. What did you learn from COL? Wait 26 years to get it right again?

Looking back is great. That's what worked then. They changed the draft rules to prevent a EDM rebuild. NHL will likely close loopholes that allowed Tampa to win. STL was probably the counter argument to rebuilding. How many playoffs in their last 20 years? In 5 years time, what is the new NHL model for winning? Small and skilled. Big and mean. Medium and medium skills shared by 20 players. Elite top line and nothing else other than role players. The goal line moves, so a rebuild could end up having to do a 2nd rebuild. No guarantee of anything.

I wasn't that impressed with Klingberg in the playoffs. He is better than what he looked like. But it only made sense if we were immediately getting rid of Hanifin. I still have no idea what we are doing with the pairs or excess D.Signing Kyl is absolutely necessary no matter what you are doing. An arbitration award would have been useless.

It's not really black and white. We added Weegar and lost Guddy. If we simply subtracted Hanifin, we lose some scoring and a decent plus minus, but that's not all on him. The gain would be getting something worth a lot more than an extra D. The risk/reward is that Hanifin is at his relative peak, while Kylington could surpass him or regress. Staying the same isn't really a bad thing, but you want him to improve some aspects of his game.

I think for value and risk/reward, trading Hanifin makes more sense. Maybe that's the reason they kept the term shorter for Kyl. It's a bridge deal for a player with one season.

Some are continuous cycling. Anyway, what I want is at least 3 years on contender. See if cycling keeps us there or tears us down. Outright rebuild after contenders is fine if you have nothing left to fight with or improve with. We seem to have the same idea of being a contender in the short term, but I suspect you seem a tear down sooner than me. Like I said, if you were not suggesting we lose Hubie and Weegar the end of this season, then my bad.

The two you mentioned were the most aggredious. Lazar never worth what we paid. Elliot was a poor choice, would have been worse had we re-signed him.

This signing term has trade written all over it, unfortunately. That would be a shame. If they keep him then we get a short bridge deal and they resign him next summer.

Lots of good picks over the last 12 years for STL. Never really a rebuild that I can remember. Stop torturing me with those picks for crap players; Kyrou, etc.

A bit less than I expected but a fair deal. He is an asset either way. Get the Breadman some dough.

The NBA and NFL are different beasts. I would rather watch something where we are contenders now vs stuck in the cycle of rebuilds that so rarely go right. Have there been any recent success stories of rebuilds? How long did Tampa flounder before they got a cup? 10th year of Hedman and 7th of Kucherov. Does the fact that they only won in "special" years of the SC? COL circled the drain for many years, went up went down. Added through trade and TDL deal just enough to get a cup. Those are pretty long rebuilds and only two recent ones that managed to get it right.