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By the very definition of "number one all star goaltender"... They've always been hard to find. We've deployed an interesting approach of acquiring goalies in their late 20's who nobody else wants, and seeing if one of them transforms into a number one all star goaltender. The approach has made for some interesting discussion Not that Edmonton's done any better there. Jon Gillies is looking like he could become that guy. Ortio has a chance too. I'm not thrilled that we gave you Brossoit. He also has a remote chance. And, as you've suggested, our future could be a Gillies/Ortio tandem. But I don't think not having one Top goaltender is a new thing, except in Alberta.
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It's almost as if.....we have too many goalies?
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I have a novel idea.... You know what we should do? We should ask the KHL who they think their best goalie is right now, and trade some draft picks for him! Looks like it's this guy: http://www.hrsport.net/vijesti/467903/zimski-sportovi-khl/barry-brust-proglasen-najboljim-vratarom-khl-a-u-listopadu/ Nearly identical stats to Kari Ramo in the KHL last year, pretty impressive! IMHO, this guy is the Best Goaltender Not in the NHL right now!! So, if no NHL team holds their rights, is there some way that we can still give up draft picks for them?
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I'm going to point to the stats... http://flames.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8471403&season=20132014&view=gamelog I know what you're going to say, lol.. You know what I'm going to say.. Compelled to post the stats anyway, sorry (but hey, I didn't do a Danny Taylor comparison...so that's good....maybe I'm cured?) or....
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It's not fact. I'm not about to entirely disagree with it, but the bottom line is that Berra would have been easier to move. We're on the same side here, btw. For a Tim Jackman trade, for instance, they could have thrown Berra in. Maybe for free, maybe for an upgrade on the draft pick. Anaheim or some similar team likely would have absorbed him. Would they absorb JMac? No. Brossoit? Maybe, but this would be a bad move on our part Ramo? Not a chance with his contract. Ortio? Hells ya. But this would be insanely stupid on our part. Gilles? They would have paid top dollar. But IMHO, I'd rather have Gillies than anyone's first round pick. So, I'm saying that they should have moved Berra, imho. I'm pretty sure we're of similar general opinion on the goaltender situation....so this is a rather pointless arguement. But, it's not my first. It's still not fact. Even if I sort of agree with you.
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Not true, imho. This is what got him drafted, and it could have been a lot higher based on his performance. http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?leagueid=Jr.%20A%20SM-liiga&season=1994#goaltending This is what got him into the AHL: http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?leagueid=Liiga&season=1998#goaltending He followed that up by being arguably the best player in the World Cup: http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?leagueid=WC&season=1998#goaltending Previous to being traded to the Flames, he was the 14th best goatender in the NHL, and still very young: http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?leagueid=NHL&season=2001#goaltending Then, he had One kind of bad sophomore season. Which made him available for trade, as the Sharks had Nabakov. I'm not trying to go after Berra or Ramo or anybody. But it wouldn't be fair to put their performance anywhere near this category. But statistically, Kipper definitely stood out on the radar. People tend to give up on goalies easy. That's all that happened here.
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That's a bit harsh, even for me. And I can be very harsh, lol.
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Inuries. Potentially. Good point....my real issue is how we got ourselves in a position with these many goalies to begin with.
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On Brossoit.... Here's the thing: He has more value than that. Right now, there are only two goalies in our system who have value, and also fair trade value: Berra and Gillies. None of the other goaltenders in our system would have given us a fair return. In a re-build, imho the right thing to do would have been to trade Berra. Who is, and let's be honest...either an AHL starter or an NHL backup. But he could have gotten us a nice return. Brossoit could have been loaned out to another AHL team. At the end of the day, I would guess that we'll be okay here. I agree with the 10 - 20 % chance of him being an NHL starter. But as a GM, that should be too high of a risk. That's a career-ender every 5 trades. Probably nothing will come of this. But what I don't like is that I believe Feaster incorrectly put 1% odds on Brossoit, solely on his 9-0 AHL loss. Just like what was done with Ortio. Chances are he'll get away with it. But if Brossoit comes up big, there will be no mercy from the fans. And there shouldn't be.
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easy there champ. No reason to get upset. let's not No they didn't. But we've been over that a million times too. The difference, for the last time, is age. A huge, significant difference in age. I feel like we're going around in circles. Reto Berra and JMac both had the same defense in from of them with the Heat. Compare their performance to Ortio. He's clearly ahead of them both. And for the record, the Flames future defense is completely lacking. Ortio's had games where he's stopped 40+ shots. I agree with this. But the reallity is that the Flames are desperate in the goaltending department. More than likely, they will call Ortio up this year. I would Prefer if they hold off this year, and bring him up next year. I probably won't get may way. They'll probably rush him. Like it or not, they'll test him out in the NHL next year. If he does well, he'll stay there. And I'm okay with this, because he is already a very experienced goaltender. As evident by his performance with the Heat. You're probably right. I'm just explaining to you that it's more likely than him going to the ECHL. As per the post you're responding to, he is likely AHL bound. It would be a huge backwards step for him to go to the ECHL. US College is much stronger than the ECHL, and he's dominating already. IMHO, it is a coin toss between Gillies and Gibson. Ortio is within range as well.
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I was not under the impression that we all had no doubts Brossoit would be a competent NHL goalie. If you are are, you may actually be the most optimistic of us all. Which adds to the confusion. Dubnyk absolutely did not compare. When Dubnyk was Brossoit's age, he was still in the WHL. The next year, he tried for the AHL, posted a 0.855, and was relegated to the ECHL. This would be the equivalent of Brossoit spending all of NEXT year in the ECHL. The exact same is true of Olivier Roy. Brossoit is a far superior prospect to either one of them. That does Not mean, by any stretch, that he is a Lock for the NHL. If Brossoit becomes a backup for the Oilers, Feaster will be reminded of this trade often. But if Brossoit becomes an above-average starter for the Oilers, or worse...dominant.... Feaster can expect to be tarred, feathered, and run out of town. There would be no mercy.
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We say "Clause", but we don't really mean it. Like, Iginla had a no trade clause. But a mutual agreement can change it. The Flames and Ramo probably had a verbal agreement that he could leave after the first year if both sides agreed to it. Let's be honest: So far, the Ramo project is a failure. He's being paid to be a starting goaltender, and he's not. Would the Flames let him go to the KHL next year? Absolutely. Would the KHL accept him? Absolutely. The only question mark is if Ramo would rather stay and collect his money here. My guess is he's far too proud to do this, but if he gets roots in Calgary, then yes....he could stay. I agree. But neither are Berra or Ramo. What for? You mean two full seasons in the AHL? Maybe for a guy out of junior, but not for a guy acoomplished out of SM-Liiga. He's already outplayed Berra in the AHL, and we know Berra's likely better than Ramo. He'll be 23...that's old enough for a shot in the NHL. He's shutting out teams in the AHL, and getting better every game. I kind of think he has two years left, but with the numbers he's posting....there is no doubt he could play in the AHL right now. I think it is safe to say that he will never play in Alaska. Some would suggest he goes straight to the NHL. I think the NHL, and Alaska, are a bit extreme. But the NHL is the more likely of the two. He has two years left, I believe. Which is a problem, because he doesn't have two years left of development in US College.
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Sorry....have to say it...Brossoit is over .900 since going to the Barrons in the AHl. http://theahl.com/stats/player.php?id=4961 Early on, he is making a strong case for haunting us. And Feaster just Had to take that risk...with Edmonton. Gives me a headache every time I think of how the Flames manage their goaltending prospects. Granted, we already had enough, but there was a lot more value to be had.
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Totally agree. Except with the 23 years old part. That's next season, isn't it? Ramo doesn't look to be in Hartley's good graces at this point in the season. Berra needs to get better than he is right now to be an NHL starter. I agree that all the tools are there, but 26 is a bit late to be learning them imho, especially with the adjustment to North America. If he was 22 and playing like this, I would be excited. I'm not ruling out anything. If I had to guess, then yeah: I could see Ortio starting next year with the Flames, and Reto backing up. Or I could see them splitting the time. Next year may be a rough year. I think we're starting to know what we have with Ramo, which isn't much, and we're getting a bit of feel for Berra. Ortio: Is back on schedule, really. There was a time when we all had him slotted in as our starter when he turned 23. He was that high on our prospect depth. Then the 9-0 blowout in the AHL changed all that. IMHO, he's back to that starter projection if he continues doing what he's doing. Not that he needs to....he has lots of time. Gillies is the real deciding factor. When will he leave college? How good will he be? AHL? NHL? What year? Is there the potential for him to jump the the Flames next year? IMHO, no. He's too young. But of course, anything can happen. Sorry bout that lol! Just sayin....with this many goalies in our system, it's not a guarantee that they'll all be healthy next year. Gillies situation looks minor.
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In terms of this season, I agree that the best thing for Ortio is to stay on the Heat as their #1 and continue to build his skills/experience/confidence. Next season is a long ways away. I believe anything can happen. And I do mean anything. http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/hockey-east/2013/11/22/5135422/providence-goaltender-calgary-flames-prospect-jon-gillies-leaves-game-leg-injury-unh
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Lol....
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6th best goalie in the AHL now....(save pct)....Wow. Closing in on Gibson for rookie of the year. In fact, in November they're tied at .927. Nice work!
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They're called holes.
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Did they have TV, Radio, or Internet where you went?....
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There's nothing side-note about it, imho. RetRamoMac is the side note....it's really all about Ortio and Gillies this year. 37 saves, wow! He must be approaching some kind of record soon for most consecutive wins? He was first star of the game, obviously. Still the 2nd-best rookie in the AHL, next only to Jon Gibson.
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That being said, we could get a little bit better with our wood-picking. And, nobody's actually going to drown here. The first one to the bottom of this ocean gets Sam Reinhart. JMac's offered us the best performance so far. If we utilize that, nobody drowns. Nobody makes the playoffs or wins the cup, but of our existing options he may provide us with the most wins. Frantically jumping around from bad goaltender to bad goaltender in the hopes of....what...making the playoffs? Winning the cup? I don't get it, but as a long-term fan, okay. It just brings us closer to getting Sam. It IS a little embarrassing to watch, sometimes. But what I'm more concerned about, long-term, is our defense. We have great goaltending prospects. We're good there. We have no reason for desperation in net, long-term.
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He has been awesome. He's lived up to all my hopes for him so far. Maybe not his best game tonight, but still good enough for the win. I can see Ortio making a push for the NHL as early as next year. Who knows, maybe even starter with the way things are going now (until Gillies is ready). But I hope Ortio doesn't come up this year. He needs to get one solid AHL season under his belt first. I would not be surprised if they play Macdonald tommorrow, to give Ortio a mental break and.....also to keep JMac fresh in case of a callup.
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Name literally any stat, and he's done better this year than Ramo or Bera. Wins, winning percentage, GAA, Save percentage... Look at their track records, same thing. JMac's not an NHL starter. That doesn't mean he's the obvious choice to go, imho. Maybe the popular choice, whatever that's worth. IMHO, they sent him down because they Know what they have in him, and they want to learn what they have in Ramo and Berra. That does not mean they are better than him. It means we have more to learn about them. Right now. Unfortunate about the comments. He was right, but he shouldn't have said them. You could be right that the comments will bury him. But I hope not. See my comments above about stats.
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Exactly. I'm not so much wondering in terms of the Flames organization, as much as I'm wondering on this Goaltender thread, why we (the fans here) have give up on JMac. I also believe he is better than both. The more games we give RetRamo, the more it looks that way. From the Flame's perspective, they Must know that they've acquired too many goaltenders and at least one has to be cut soon. IMHO, they would Like it if it was JMac making their RetRamo acquisitions look better. But I am quite sure they're aware that they may need JMac to stay respectable in the league, and that one of Reto or Ramo needs to go. To save the suspense: I think it's Reto who has to go. Even though he's better than Ramo. Just a contract thing. Unless he starts playing like a starting goaltender. I believe he has, in 2 of the games he's played in. He needs to play like that in Most of his games, though. Highly unlikely.
