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Ortio has kipper qualities,mainly in his demeanor, but not enough in their style of play to make me think there is chance ortio plays at kippers level. I like ortio, always have, and I think he can play at ye NHL level but I think we forget just how crazy athletic Kipper was and how rare that is in goalies. I don't see the same natural athleticism in ortio, but I do see the same "awe shucks" kind of demeanor Kipper had in ortio which I think can be equally rare in goalies and something that is critical to playing in the NHL
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Big difference for me between Kessel and those 3, compete level. The 3 you mention you would never question their compete whereas Kessel you constantly question it.
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Kessel needs to go to a market like florida, Phoenix, Tampa etc. one where he can operate in anonymity. From everything I've read and heard about Kessel he is very much a guy who beats to his own drum and has his own way of doing things and is reluctant to change. I think is he were to come here you would dion Phaneuf part 2. I don't think a strong leadership is going to make a huge difference because at his salary and notoriety, Kessel is always going to be a focal point regardless of how established your leadership is. His contract dictates that and his contract is not going anywhere.
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I also heard that was all insurance so Flames were out very little or perhaps no money. IMO, the delay is because they are trying to plan a bigger project that will involve both a football and hockey arena. Before the Flames purchased the Stamps Ken King was bragging how they were "very close" to outlining their plans, then they bought the Stamps and suddenly it changed to "we are not there yet, but we'll let you know". A few times at season ticket holder meetings he has let it slip that this project is both a revitalization and project bigger then just an arena, and the last one I went to he dropped a pretty serious hint that it was going to be both an arena and a stadium. I can't remember the phrase he used but it lead me to believe their plans include both a new arena and a new football stadium.
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I think Franson will end going for a fair bit and won't be cheap. It's not looking to be a very good deadline and he will be one of the few top 4 dman available so I would suspect either a 1st or 2nd with a good prospect or young player will be the price just to get the leafs listening. I am a Franson fan but he is a Wideman clone so if you have any complaints about Wideman you will feel the same about Franson. I'm not prepared to pay him over 5 mill, which is amaranth what he is asking for, unless you could trade Wideman and I'm not sure that market is there. I would want to identical player making 5 plus mill on the D core.
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I don't think Hiller gets you much I'm return. He is an avg starting goalie, paid like a starter, and has an extra year on his deal that I think is going to kill and interest in him at the deadline. Maybe in the offseason but I still don't see a team giving up much for just an avg starting goalie making 4.5 mill for one year. I think you can trade Ramo at the deadline yo a team that may just want some goalie depth.
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I don't think it was ever Ramos job. He was part of a rotation and now their is another effective member of that rotation who deserves to play. I do agree you shouldn't lose your job to injury but j also think you have to have a good handle on that job and also you need to be prepared to make exceptions (see Tom Brady).
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I think that's a one off. You caught a team and also kf I recall correctly Berra was not a pending free agent? Could be wrong. Either way I compare Ramo to the likes of Scrivens, Fasth, and Dubnyk who landed 3rd and 4th rounders.
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At this point I think the trade value of Ramo is what it is and I don't think you are gojng to get much more by playing him. I think he is likely worth a 4th rounder at the deadline maybe a 3rd but I stress maybe. I don't think playing him is gojng to change the evaluation. Ramo isn't going to be picked up by a team neededing a starter to run with he would be looked at by a team needing another option as part of a mix. You don't pay high for that. I'm rolling with ortio until he proves otherwise. Send Granland down who should be in the AHL anyway.
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I don't think either Ramo or Hiller get you much in return in trade. What team right now is desperate for starting goalie and going to pay a high price for it? I can see a team wanting one of them for depth in a playoff run or as another option just in case but you don't pay much for that. I don't think either Ramo or hiller get much, probably a 3rd round pick like Dubnyk I agree that out of the current options Ortio is the only one who has high end starter potential, but the key is potential. Ortio has the talent and I really like his approach to the game so I think he will be a good NHL goalie and personally I am completely fine with trading one of Ramo or Hiller and letting Ortio be part of a tandem. The only problem with that is Ortio needs to get a certain amount of games and Hartley seems to prefer to stick with one guy so I don't think that's going to fly. Likely Ortio will go down to the A and they will finish the season with Ramo and hiller.
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Especially considering the coyotes only got a 3rd for Dubnyk, a 2nd for Bera was and is flat out larceny. I think when Ramo plays he is a very good goalie. When he sits for longer periods or doesn't consistently get into games he struggles but you could say that about a ton of goalies. Right now, I would go Ramo over Hiller as IMO Ramo has been the better of the two save for a week or so Hiller was red hot. Having said that, you roll with ortio as long as he is playing this well.
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Hiller hasn't been good for week IMO. His rebound control has been horrendous he's just gotten lucky with certain bounces and the flames playing well in front of him but it's been a while since I would say hiller has played well. I agree he probably will go again tonight which is too bad but this is turning into Berra last year where Hartley is riding one guy whether or not that guy actually deserves it.
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Well put and I agree 100%. I don't think you can win while building around Phill Kessel and when he has the contract he has you are going to have to build around him. Not to mention I thinks it would take a lot to get him and more then you indicated. I don't think the leafs even listen unless one of Backlund, Monahan or Bennett is in the deal. One way the leafs trade Kessel is to get an elusive centre.
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The issues are different IMO. Carter and Richards were rumored to have off ice issues but never an on ice, work ethic or teammate issue. Kessel is in a different boat when it comes to questions about attitude. Carter and Richards just needed to grow up but there was no questioning their desire.
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For those thinking the attitude issues are overblown I would invite you to read the book "Future greats & Heartbreaks" which ends up talking a lot about Kessel prior to his draft year and the process of scouting Kessel. These are not new issues surfacing because he is in Toronto they are just being magnified due to the market. I don't believe he is uncoachable by any means nor a cancer but there are issues there and always has been. I happen to believe that you need a certain type of player and attitude to build a team and win a cup and Kessel doesn't fit that mold for me so I will pass. You can say he could come here and not be they guy but that's impossible. You are always going to be the guy when you male the money Kessel does and that money isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Millions tweeted after the game Ramo was walking around fine post game and singing autographs. Looks more precautionary then an injury.
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Wouldn't touch him at any cost. It's not a talent thing at all as he is one of the most talented players in the NHL but I've read so much more about his attitude and work ethic and he is not a guy who can lead a team and at his salary he needs to lead a team you can't afford him for him to just be a secondary piece. Plus he would still be in a hockey market which I think is a poor fit for him. I just don't think a team can win with Kessel as one if it's main pieces so add in the fact your going to have to pay huge for him I would pass.
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I thought engleland was ok to start the season but overal was trying to do too much. He's play a very simple game lately and his decision making has improved. I don't think the 3rd pairing is the liability is was earlier in the season.
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That was a large piece of the "unsustainable" part of the flames. It just wasn't realistic for the d to keep scoring at that pace and the offence became too reliant on the d. They need the forwards, specifically the likes of glencross and colborne, to start up picking up the slack.
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Why not Macdonald? I get you prefer Ortio and Gilles but I would say Macdonald has as good a shot as those two and like them started slow but has turned it on as of late. Very much in the long term mix IMO.
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I think it's too early to abandon Ramo. He was great last year and was still good this year up until the last game and I think coming in cold like that is sometimes tough to do for a guy who wants to be the starter. I think he should, and will, get another chance and I personally think that should start next game. Numbers won't back me up, but IMO hiller has been starting to leak for a few games now and I think needs more then just one game off.
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No it doesn't guarantee anything but it removes a lot of hope IMO. Kanzig is already in his 4th season in the WHL too remember that and his point totals have not improved.
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I'll be shocked if Kanzig makes the NHL, he's plateaued since they drafted him and I've talked to a couple of people who have seen him live and no one is impressed. The flames are full of bubble dman that might make it and even if they do likely make out as a 4/5 dman unless they get lucky and find another Gio. Hickey has looked good so far however but he is a few years away. The flames don't look horrible on d for the next year or two but 3 years out they may be in a bit of trouble. Would be wise to try and find a dman in the 21-23 range because even drafting a dman this year likely wouldn't help the team who I think the could have a good shot.
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There are some yes, but defence would be the biggest difference IMO. The hawks were able to build a very strong and deep d core and so far the flames are very lacking in that area, especially over the next few seasons with the prospects they have. The rocks the hawks have on the blueline and their depth is a huge reason IMO they've got the two cups.
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I'd pass on Myers. He's been terrible outside his rookie year and at this point is just a very expensive project. I'd love Larsson but I doubt very much he is available.