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Personally I would encourage Gilles to stay in te NCAA. I think he can accomplish a lot there and the Friars are likely to remain a verh good team and he can get some bigger game experience in a lower pressure environment. I'm a big believer that when it comes to goalies to really take your time and I always liked what the flames did with ortio. You have a unique opportunity with European and NCAA goalie prospects that you can retain their rights for a longer period of time while keeping them away from pro hockey and I think the flames should take advantage if it. Personally I don't think Gilles is ready for pro hockey especially to start in pro hockey.
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Not awkward for me at all. I didn't know Ortio was a emergency recall otherwise it would have been even more simple.
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To clarify he had to be sent down. He was an emergency recall and with Ramo back on the active roster he has to go down. I think the flames only have one recall left so I'm not even sure we will see him again but I'm hoping we do. Didnte play well tonigh but one bad game is not a big deal.
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Please don't twist words. What I actually said was that if Ortio can't handle a single demotion there are serious problems because clearly he didn't have much to begin with. I would understand if they were to ping pong him around like Baertschi but you seemed to be implying we can't wait until he struggles and send him down because if will damage his confidence and if that's the case then Ortio was flawed already. This is professional sports and you have to be able to handle adversity.
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Except no one is saying that. As of right now Ortio is playing well at the NHL level so he should continue to play at the NHL level. Is he struggles send him down but as long as he is playing well he should play and that's all I'm saying.
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IMO there is nothing better for development then playing in the NHL at the appropriate time and clearly right now is an appropriate time for Ortio. Quite frankly I don't care about the heat or the heats playoff runs so long as Ortio is playing well at the NHL level because the ultimate goal is to get him to succeed at the NHL level and thus the flames to success is it not? So if he is succeeding here why would you decrease the level of competition and skill and think that is positive for his development? That's like saying we should send Sean Monahan down to the OHL so he can get playoff experience even though the playoff experience still doesn't match the quality of play and competition he is currently getting. NHL regular season>>>>>>>>>>>>>AHL playoff experience. If he struggles you send him down, simple as that. One send down is not going to shake a goalies confidence and if it does you didn't have much to work with in the first place.
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As long as Ortio keeps playing well and keeps playing the best place for him is the NHL. I think it would be silly on so many front to send him down when clearly he is playing at NHL calibre.... So far
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Outside kf the first month or so of the season, Ramo has played well and I think he has shown at the very least he is an NHL goalie. Is he a starter, that I'm not sure of. I think ag worst he is a guy you could use in a 1A 1B rotation and play him around 40ish games from a starting perspective and I think you'd be happy with that. He isn't an elite starter that will steal you a lot kf games and I'm kiy sure he has shown enough to be a starter you'd hitch your wagon too and start 50 or more games but yk his credit he hasn't really had the opportunity to either.
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Well he has outplayed, IMO, Berra and Ramo so if anythjng he is actually moving thd flames in the opposite direction then you indicate. Will his inexperience show at some point, that's bet likely but is say right now he is thd flames best goaltender.
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Sounds like Ramo could return next week potentially. Don't have a quotable source buy it was out on twitter today.
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I agree on both counts. I think if the flames can channel Burkes history of a big, shocker trade for a top 3 Dman and a top 6/ top line forward the playoffs are not far at all. Getting thoss players is gong to be tough however but I agree that I don't think they are looking at an Edmonton style rebuild and I think the playoffs are a possibility in 2016.
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Mikka Noronen once was traded for a 2nd round pick. Just saying..... Agreed that ortio looked great. I'm most impressed with how poised and confident he looks in the net despite being a rookie. I never felt that same confidence with Berra back there.
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In his presses Burke said they want to give Ortio a shot provide he plays. Plan right now it let Ortio play some and sounded a big like they may even play him a bit more then Ramo. If it doesn't work out they'll send him back down so he can play. Burke was very specific he wants Ortio to play but whether that's in the NHL or AHL is remaind to be seen based on ortios play.
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Flames are 2nd last in team save percentage and I have no idea why we should feel good about having the 2nd worst save percentage and the 5th worst GAA, that to me screams you don't have NHL calibre goaltending. Actually I feel very differently about Ortio because age absolutely matter. Thinking that 7 years of pro experience, regardless of the league, doesn't play a factor is ridiculous to me but whatever. It has a huge impact.
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You are comparing a 20 year old rookie who had never played pro hockey to a 27 year old pro? Not valid comparison. I don't like that people seem willing to grant Berra this long leash by saying oh well he is an NHL rookie, that's hogwash. Nicklas backstrom didn't need time to adjustment neither did Jonas hillier or Federick Andersen, and in fact most European goalies who Are any good don't take that much time to adjust. It's an adjustment,It's not like a rookie who has to learn a whole new game. Calgary is 3rd last in the NHL and statistically has the worst goaltending, I believes I n the NHL so sorry no they do not have capable goaltending and yes the goalie experiment hs work out jus to Ike many of us thought it would. Not very well.
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Remember how you like, but for me kipper was a classic case of a guy just needing n opportunity and was not a case of someone who was non NHL quality. His first 20 to 30 games int he NHL were pretty impressive and he also was an AHL all star. Remember the flames had to give up a 2nd round pick to get him which is not exactly chump change. It's easy to revise history now but San Jose clearly knew they had an NHL goalie otherwise e price would have been significantly lower. It's also not true that they would not have acquired him, Sutter was actually shopping for a goalie that whole season and had two in mind. It came down to kipper and apparently Cujo, but Sutter went with kipper because he couldn't make cujos salary work under his budget. The flames were acquiring a goalie under Sutter as Sutter never gave turek any vote of confidence. Goalies with save % under 90 are not keeping you in a lot of games and the amount of weak goals he lets in are not NHL calibre. He doesn't cost then a ton of games but he has cost then more then one and the type so f goals he seems to let in frequently are back breakers.
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Big difference in kipper was he proved he could play in the NHL, he just needed someone to stick with him. Berra is 27 and still hasn't proven he can play in the NHL so it's not the same example at all. I get that 27 is a prime age for a goalie but prime indicates they are at their best not a starting point and needing to improve. And Berra was not dominant where he came from, in many seasons he wasn't even the best goalie. I actually don't have that expectation at all. My expectation of a goalie at a minimum is give your team a chance to win every night, and a starter should steak games for you now and then. Berra does not give his team a chance to win and on more then one occasion has cost his team the game. That's an unacceptable standard for an NHL goalie.
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NHL quality goalies don't let in bad goals at the frequency Berra does. I will agree Ramo is an NHL calibre tender, although not sure how good he is/will be, but not Berra. As has mentioned before Berra is 27 so not sure why we should assume he will only get better. I agree with Kehatch and I think the flames should move on from him. Let him go to FA, very unlikely he gets any offers, and if you can't upgrade then you can always sign him later.
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Honestly at this point I'm not even sure if I'd bring Berra back next year. He may have upside but he lets in too many weak goals that arnt related to technique so I'm not sure it's something he can overcome. Is like to see ortio get another game or two but a Ortio/Ramo tandom, pending no upgrades, is an alright option in my opinion.
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Roy is definetly ahead of Brossoit and was not a throw in as some thought. I personally think Brossoit has more upside but it's very debatable as to who actually received the better prospect. Roy was a really nice pickup to maintain the depth in goal IMO.
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Troy ward has mentioned he likes to run very uptempo and hard practices and there are home for the next two weeks or so with lots of days of in between so they'll be working very hard and practicing frequently as they typically don't get that opportunity due to travel schedules. I think Roy is there to keep goalies fresh in practice and for them to see him practice and work at he AHL level as they need to start somewhat of an evaluation process with him being an rfa this year.
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Burke wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't looking for a goalie. Quite frankly with the state of the flames there is no position or area of the organization they shouldn't be looking to upgrade in.
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Ramo has really passed Berra as the flames best option in net. I'm it will be difficult fore Hartley to move past his little project but I think Ramo deserved to get e ball and see if he can run with it. Not impressed by Berra as of late he can't shake giving up bad goals.
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My post wasnt directed at you entirely it was overall thoughts on Gilles as well.
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In Gilles defence I thought he played very well in he tournament. Yesterday against the Russians he was good but not great ands many of the goals the Russians scored he had no chance on. I don't think the big ice was it at and i don't think he needs excuses. He played very well just not extraordinarily well which is fine by me. How many goalies have you seen play extraordinary in this tournament and it mean anything tot he it career? Doesn't change anything IMO that Gilles is a top prospect for the flames. Edit: I'm not making excuses for him but it hink it's worth noting that was not a very good American team they sent this year especially on the backend. Gilles was a big reason they looked so good early on but it caught up to him and them and personally I'm not surprised they are going home. Very different squad then last years.