GDT Flames at Detroit - Oct. 22/23

[JTech780]

41 minutes ago, taz89 said:

Wolf! Wolf!

I wouldn’t bring up Wolf till they have their defense sorted out. Wouldn’t have mattered who was in net tonight.

 

If Huberdeau is no longer the difference maker he once was, then this team needs to play as a team to have any success as they don’t have a difference maker on the roster, or in the minors for that matter.

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, JTech780 said:

I wouldn’t bring up Wolf till they have their defense sorted out. Wouldn’t have mattered who was in net tonight.

 

If Huberdeau is no longer the difference maker he once was, then this team needs to play as a team to have any success as they don’t have a difference maker on the roster, or in the minors for that matter.

 

I'm not sure where Huberdeau really belongs.  We haven't seen his game amp up at all yet.  I know we have an odd team, but there has to be something.  Kadri isn't it.  Lindholm hasn't worked, but they have only tried Mange and Coronato with him so far with Lindholm.  Maybe you are right and we have to use him with Backlund.  His defensive play is really showing bad so far.  Backlund and maybe Govich.  Someone, anyone.  

 

Ruzie with Lindholm wasn't a problem, but Coronato is not realy for prime time.  Govich had a shift or so up there, but they got messed up for a goal against.  Maybe Dube with Lindy and Ruzie.  And keep Kadri away from Huberdeau.  Mange-Kadri-Coleman perhaps.  Huberdeau-Backlund-Coronato perhaps.

 

Anyway, it just seems like we are missing a top 6 RW and are just trying to work in a couple of struggling players in that spot.  Dube was less than normal today, but that whole line was trash.  Coronato struggled playing against the best on the road.  Coleman was his usual self.

[sak22]

I didn't watch the game, but don't know how to react to the Vladar thing.  People say he was hung out to dry but the advanced stats say Detroit only scored on 1 of 3 high danger chances and had an expected goals against of 1.34.  I don't think he's doing much to tell the teams with goaltending issues that he's a solution.

[robrob74]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

I'm not sure where Huberdeau really belongs.  We haven't seen his game amp up at all yet.  I know we have an odd team, but there has to be something.  Kadri isn't it.  Lindholm hasn't worked, but they have only tried Mange and Coronato with him so far with Lindholm.  Maybe you are right and we have to use him with Backlund.  His defensive play is really showing bad so far.  Backlund and maybe Govich.  Someone, anyone.  

 

Ruzie with Lindholm wasn't a problem, but Coronato is not realy for prime time.  Govich had a shift or so up there, but they got messed up for a goal against.  Maybe Dube with Lindy and Ruzie.  And keep Kadri away from Huberdeau.  Mange-Kadri-Coleman perhaps.  Huberdeau-Backlund-Coronato perhaps.

 

Anyway, it just seems like we are missing a top 6 RW and are just trying to work in a couple of struggling players in that spot.  Dube was less than normal today, but that whole line was trash.  Coronato struggled playing against the best on the road.  Coleman was his usual self.

 

at this point maybe go:

 

Huberdeau, Dube, Coranato/Shari

Ruzicka, Kadri, Sharingovich

Mangiapane, Backlund, Coleman 

Green, Zary, Duehr

[travel_dude]

42 minutes ago, robrob74 said:

 

at this point maybe go:

 

Huberdeau, Dube, Coranato/Shari

Ruzicka, Kadri, Sharingovich

Mangiapane, Backlund, Coleman 

Green, Zary, Duehr

Did Lindholm get traded?  JK

IMHO, we are missing an impact player to play with Huberdeau.

Whether that is a winger or C, it's standing out.

He like to slow the game down, which is fine, but nobody is doing anything there.

Pass to who to do what?

I don't know, maybe he meant to play on the rush with speedy guys and we have slugs.

[travel_dude]

And before Conumdrumed says it, DET is playing really well.  

They allowed us zero time to make plays.

And came at us in waves.

None of Debrincat's goals were soft.

[robrob74]

3 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

Did Lindholm get traded?  JK

IMHO, we are missing an impact player to play with Huberdeau.

Whether that is a winger or C, it's standing out.

He like to slow the game down, which is fine, but nobody is doing anything there.

Pass to who to do what?

I don't know, maybe he meant to play on the rush with speedy guys and we have slugs.

oops!

 

I guess I see the future! 
or bench him.

 

no, I just forgot to add him 

[robrob74]

5 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

Did Lindholm get traded?  JK

IMHO, we are missing an impact player to play with Huberdeau.

Whether that is a winger or C, it's standing out.

He like to slow the game down, which is fine, but nobody is doing anything there.

Pass to who to do what?

I don't know, maybe he meant to play on the rush with speedy guys and we have slugs.

the weird thing is, he thought the game so much faster in Florida. The games I saw the flow was exciting and guys moving their feet with many goals off the rush. 

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, robrob74 said:

the weird thing is, he thought the game so much faster in Florida. The games I saw the flow was exciting and guys moving their feet with many goals off the rush. 

 

I think he likes to slow it down because the Flames play slow.

No team is going to be successful playing slow, not in the NHL today.

 

[conundrumed]

No point trying to put perfume on a pig.

First shock, the betting line favoured Calgary like no one watches hockey. Second shock, why are we starting Vladar? Third shock, wtf are these lines?

What I hoped for: Markstrom vs Lyon. What I anticipated: a rout unless Markstrom is lights out.

It took all of 2 minutes to see who the fast team is. I just don't know what Huska did on Saturday. Went to Ann Arbor for the football game? I have a hard time believing he spent the day watching tape and developing a strategy, because there wasn't one.

Here's the game in a nutshell:

Larkin vs Kadri

Raymond vs Huberdeau

DeBrincat vs Dube

On what planet are those 3 defending against those 3?

This game wasn't on Vladar, at all. What should he have stopped? DeBrincat's 3rd was a perfectly placed shot. Walman is awesome. and that point shot was a bullet.

Should we scratch the Larkin comparable for Lindholm now that everyone has seen it's not even close?

I admit that I'm not happy with Calgary rn. The bottom 6 came to play against a tough team. The top 6 was pathetic. They play like this league is easy and get owned. Rinse and repeat.

Even Sprong could've had the hatty if he had played more focused. He had a pretty off game. Reimer is an adventure at best, but it didn't matter.

Some thought, "well it's only Detroit, should be a W". That's just arrogant and over-rating our team. Andersson would've made zero difference.

Here's what I'm most annoyed about. Detroit added a lot in the offseason. They came out of camp ready. "Here's our lines, here's how we want to play". Calgary comes out of camp, AGAIN, making excuses for not being ready.

Congrats on not giving up a PP goal, but even Detroit's 3rd, thrown together PP unit at the end, looks better than Calgary's 2 units. Their PP was good last year too, just inconsistent. That's why we wanted(needed) Alex Tanguay.

I'm going to watch the replay on TV to see if we looked as slow as we did live.

JFC Huska, can you get this team ready to play an NHL game? Did, "highest scoring team in the league" mean nothing in your prep?

No point blaming Vladar. Why is your team not ready most nights, and how are you expecting to score this year, point shots with zero screens? The pace, skating and passing game is horrible. Still. Fan apathy will match the apathy the top 6 play with. Apparently it's too hard to play hard.

[conundrumed]

I should add that we considered going Saturday and spending the night, which would'e tacked on another easy $700.

But I may have seen the Flames prepping in Detroit.

Morning practice.

Afternoon football game.

KISS concert @ LCA. Not that I'd have been there.

MGM Grand casino. Ditto above comment.

My lines:

Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman

Ruzicka-Sharangovich-Duehr

Mangiapane-Lindholm-Coronato

Greer-Kadri-Dube

Want ice time? Get your Satoshi Nakamoto together.

Post game comments are interesting, the Wings aren't exactly overzealous. Just another game, trying to get better, hard camp:

https://www.nhl.com/redwings/video/meijer-postgame-comments-10-22-23-6339684862112

 

Calgary, deflated af, saying the right things. It never seems to matter:

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/postgame-tanev-22-10-23-6339684865112

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/postgame-backlund-22-10-23-6339684489112

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/pistgame-huska-22-10-23-6339684294112

 

Calgary loses again, 1-3 in post games links, because you can't package them in 1 link, because advertising...

 

 

[conundrumed]

oof, looks just as bad on the telly.

[medatswhoP]

Is it my imagination or does Huska seem abit of a puffball?

https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/pistgame-huska-22-10-23-6339684294112

Answers most questions with a friendly cheeky smile, the first part about "We turned over allot of pucks and we couldn't defend the rush because they have some good skill"!

WTF, get some bark, your team sucked and needs a wake up call.  You dont have to smile after every question ffs.

From the very beginning I wasn't a Huska fan for this team, still don't have the belief in him yet.

But... moving forward....

 

 

[travel_dude]

4 hours ago, conundrumed said:

No point trying to put perfume on a pig.

First shock, the betting line favoured Calgary like no one watches hockey. Second shock, why are we starting Vladar? Third shock, wtf are these lines?

What I hoped for: Markstrom vs Lyon. What I anticipated: a rout unless Markstrom is lights out.

It took all of 2 minutes to see who the fast team is. I just don't know what Huska did on Saturday. Went to Ann Arbor for the football game? I have a hard time believing he spent the day watching tape and developing a strategy, because there wasn't one.

Here's the game in a nutshell:

Larkin vs Kadri

Raymond vs Huberdeau

DeBrincat vs Dube

On what planet are those 3 defending against those 3?

This game wasn't on Vladar, at all. What should he have stopped? DeBrincat's 3rd was a perfectly placed shot. Walman is awesome. and that point shot was a bullet.

Should we scratch the Larkin comparable for Lindholm now that everyone has seen it's not even close?

I admit that I'm not happy with Calgary rn. The bottom 6 came to play against a tough team. The top 6 was pathetic. They play like this league is easy and get owned. Rinse and repeat.

Even Sprong could've had the hatty if he had played more focused. He had a pretty off game. Reimer is an adventure at best, but it didn't matter.

Some thought, "well it's only Detroit, should be a W". That's just arrogant and over-rating our team. Andersson would've made zero difference.

Here's what I'm most annoyed about. Detroit added a lot in the offseason. They came out of camp ready. "Here's our lines, here's how we want to play". Calgary comes out of camp, AGAIN, making excuses for not being ready.

Congrats on not giving up a PP goal, but even Detroit's 3rd, thrown together PP unit at the end, looks better than Calgary's 2 units. Their PP was good last year too, just inconsistent. That's why we wanted(needed) Alex Tanguay.

I'm going to watch the replay on TV to see if we looked as slow as we did live.

JFC Huska, can you get this team ready to play an NHL game? Did, "highest scoring team in the league" mean nothing in your prep?

No point blaming Vladar. Why is your team not ready most nights, and how are you expecting to score this year, point shots with zero screens? The pace, skating and passing game is horrible. Still. Fan apathy will match the apathy the top 6 play with. Apparently it's too hard to play hard.

 

I don't know if it was wise to start Vladar, but would sending in Markstrom behind these lines and pathetic tendencies have been wise?  Burn out Markstrom in one game and ruin any confidence he had so far?  Probably not a good idea.  

 

The difficult thing is trying to actually identify who the top players are.  Very few have chemistry and can be defended by bottom six lines.  Best vs best is not going to go well, since we can't even figure out who to put out there.  One thing is for certain.  Dube, Hubey and Kadri were basically the reason we lost.  Minus 4 from each of them.  The first two managed that in just under 14 minutes.  Bottom 6 and the top line managed to end the night basically even.  So that implies that we have 9 players that can somewhat play together.  

 

I have seen some chemistry with the some duos in the top 9, but can't seem to find the 3's that work.

Ruzicka-Dube

Backlund-Coleman

 

We can't seem to figure out how to use Coronato or Huberdeau or Kadri.  Huberdeau is overpassing and won't shoot unless he has no options.  Kadri is shooting too much, and like Backlund is missing the net most times.  Backlund always starts a season slow, so I give him some leeway there.  Coronato is effective in pressuring to get the puck and will shoot, but rarely gets a clean shot.  

 

With lines, I think we have to combine our best % possession people with our best shooters.  If we have a passer that is failing, make him shoot more.  If your C is a RHS, then your LW better be ready for passes and be able to do something with it.  If C is LHS, then RW better be ready.  To me, that's why Dube was looking good on RW, since he normally plays with a LHS.  

 

I'm not even sure what we are doing on the PP.  It doesn't look like Savard has even managed to change the pathetic style from last year.  Trying to pass through lanes that don't exist.  To and from the point.  If there is traffic in front, there is no shot.  

 

[conundrumed]

5 hours ago, travel_dude said:

I'm not even sure what we are doing on the PP.  It doesn't look like Savard has even managed to change the pathetic style from last year.

The 1st preseason game they were moving the puck fast. Postgame, "yup, that's what we'll be doing, yup, that's what coach wants".

Never to be seen again. Seriously. Wtf?? They're right back to the same garbage ever since, the Power Kill.

[travel_dude]

19 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

The 1st preseason game they were moving the puck fast. Postgame, "yup, that's what we'll be doing, yup, that's what coach wants".

Never to be seen again. Seriously. Wtf?? They're right back to the same garbage ever since, the Power Kill.

 

I mean I get we don't have Johnny to do the waterbug thing on zone entries, but my gord we look pathetic out there.  In the case of a pending 5v3, we played it like we were in an EN situation, instead of immediately freezing the puck.  It probably wasn't very long, but it seemed like a wasted 20 seconds.  I get that a 6 on 4 has some semblance of an advantage, but passing it around on the perimeter was insane.

 

I don't think we have enough forwards to man 2 PP units effectively, so why are we not using 2D on one of the units?  Maybe we did due to Ras being out but I somehow don't think so.  For most of the time on PP, the 2nd unit is the only one that seems to get it.  

[420since1974]

This year it may be as simple as the 2nd unit wanting to prove something more than the 1st.

To my old eyes, many years the Flames 1st PP unit appears to take their spot for granted and does not put in the effort necessary.

That said, there were a few seasons in the near past that the 1st unit was killer and the 2nd was not too necessary.

[taz89]

Lets not forget its the first game back from a road trip....they never win those