conundrumed Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, travel_dude said: So, what is your feeling on Simashev vs Reinbacher, should he drop. Reason I ask is some suggest that Simashev might go and Reinbacher drop. Which would you prefer? Really not much separation for me. Both are solid defensively. I've seen Reinbacher more and I love his skating. Simashev is more physical. Both give me Seider vibes. For me, basically, if you want the potential Seider-type, it's either of those 2. If you want a potential Quinn Hughes-type, it's Sandin-Pellikka or Gulyayev. Willander is maybe a little in between swinging more to D savvy. If I'm Van, I'd be pretty set on Reinbacher or Simashev. But I'll laugh when they take Sandin-Pellikka to add to Hughes and Hronek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted June 8, 2023 Report Share Posted June 8, 2023 13 hours ago, conundrumed said: BPA is a fallacy until you do a redraft 5 yrs later and count the mistakes. Which only proves that after the first couple, nobody knows who the BPA is because they're all still developing. It's just a hollow catch-phrase. Look at the '24 draft lists now and then next year. Why doesn't that bpa stay the same between 17 & 18yo? But now it will between 18-19yo from jr leagues? "Just draft the bpa" is nothing more than a cop out. As Mickey Redmond responded to Ken Daniels explaining eGF, "expected by whom"?lol No 2 lists are consistent past 4-5, so it's nothing more than guessing who the bpa is. But the term is thrown around as a catch-all that makes no sense. I get what you're saying but it sounds a lot like "scouting is useless" Which conflicts with. well, basically everything else you've ever written here. I think most are a aware that the lists change, due large in part to the fact that these kids are drafted at least one year too early. We still gonna make lists. We try. This is a game of predicting the future. We all know these kids are unpredictable. So are teams, though. To try and tailor the pick to what you think your team will need 5 years from now is 100x more cocky than just doing your best to rank the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Well this was a fun little exercise... 1. Chicago Blackhawks - Connor Bedard 2. Anaheim Ducks - Adam Fantilli 3. Columbus Blue Jackets - Leo Carlsson 4. San Jose Sharks - Will Smith 5. Montreal Canadiens - Matvei Michkov 6. Arizona Coyotes - Ryan Leonard 7. Philadelphia Flyers - Zach Benson 8. Washington Capitals - David Reinbacher 9. Detroit Red Wings - Oliver Moore 10. St. Louis Blues - Dalibor Dvorsky 11. Vancouver Canucks - Axel Sandin-Pellikka 12. Arizona Coyotes (from Ottawa Senators) - Gabe Perrault 13. Buffalo Sabres - Quentin Musty 14. Pittsburgh Penguins - Colby Barlow 15. Nashville Predators - Edouard Sale 16. Calgary Flames - Nate Danielson 17. Detroit Red Wings (from New York Islanders via Vancouver Canucks) - Brayden Yager 18. Winnipeg Jets - Calum Ritchie 19. Chicago Blackhawks (from Tampa Bay Lightning) - Jayden Perron 20. Seattle Kraken - Samuel Honzek 21. Minnesota Wild - Andrew Cristall 22. Philadelphia Flyers (from CBJ via Los Angeles Kings) - Dmitri Simashev 23. New York Rangers - Gavin Brindley 24. Nashville Predators (from Edmonton Oilers) - Tom Willander 25. St. Louis Blues (from Toronto Maple Leafs) - Gracyn Sawchyn 26. San Jose Sharks (from New Jersey Devils) - Mikhail Gulyayev 27. Colorado Avalanche - Trey Augustine 28. Toronto Maple Leafs (from Boston Bruins via Washington Capitals) - Oliver Bonk 29. St. Louis Blues (from Dallas Stars via New York Rangers) - Michael Hrabel 30. Carolina Hurricanes - Riley Heidt 31. Montreal Canadiens (from Florida Panthers) - Ethan Gauthier 32. Vegas Golden Knights - Kasper Halttunen edit Didn't account for the CBJ(LA) pick to Philly. Stenberg falls out, Simashev slides in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 13 hours ago, conundrumed said: Well this was a fun little exercise... 1. Chicago Blackhawks - Connor Bedard 2. Anaheim Ducks - Adam Fantilli 3. Columbus Blue Jackets - Leo Carlsson 4. San Jose Sharks - Will Smith 5. Montreal Canadiens - Matvei Michkov 6. Arizona Coyotes - Ryan Leonard 7. Philadelphia Flyers - Zach Benson 8. Washington Capitals - David Reinbacher 9. Detroit Red Wings - Oliver Moore 10. St. Louis Blues - Dalibor Dvorsky 11. Vancouver Canucks - Axel Sandin-Pellikka 12. Arizona Coyotes (from Ottawa Senators) - Gabe Perrault 13. Buffalo Sabres - Quentin Musty 14. Pittsburgh Penguins - Colby Barlow 15. Nashville Predators - Edouard Sale 16. Calgary Flames - Nate Danielson 17. Detroit Red Wings (from New York Islanders via Vancouver Canucks) - Brayden Yager 18. Winnipeg Jets - Calum Ritchie 19. Chicago Blackhawks (from Tampa Bay Lightning) - Jayden Perron 20. Seattle Kraken - Samuel Honzek 21. Minnesota Wild - Andrew Cristall 22. Philadelphia Flyers (from CBJ via Los Angeles Kings) - Dmitri Simashev 23. New York Rangers - Gavin Brindley 24. Nashville Predators (from Edmonton Oilers) - Tom Willander 25. St. Louis Blues (from Toronto Maple Leafs) - Gracyn Sawchyn 26. San Jose Sharks (from New Jersey Devils) - Mikhail Gulyayev 27. Colorado Avalanche - Trey Augustine 28. Toronto Maple Leafs (from Boston Bruins via Washington Capitals) - Oliver Bonk 29. St. Louis Blues (from Dallas Stars via New York Rangers) - Michael Hrabel 30. Carolina Hurricanes - Riley Heidt 31. Montreal Canadiens (from Florida Panthers) - Ethan Gauthier 32. Vegas Golden Knights - Kasper Halttunen edit Didn't account for the CBJ(LA) pick to Philly. Stenberg falls out, Simashev slides in. I would be happy with Danielson. He could be the next Backlund (in the good sense). Solid 2nd line Center for 12-15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zima Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Nate sounds more like a pelt or Zary shouldn't we looking for more of a goal score than a 200 ft player who doesn't shoot according to scouting reports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, zima said: Nate sounds more like a pelt or Zary shouldn't we looking for more of a goal score than a 200 ft player who doesn't shoot according to scouting reports? Who are we kidding though. We need everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Who are we kidding though. We need everything. ain't that the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, The_People1 said: I would be happy with Danielson. He could be the next Backlund (in the good sense). Solid 2nd line Center for 12-15 years. Honestly not my first choice, but I'm okay with that. Tried to consider each team with some thought to their draft tendencies. I think I did poorly with Nashville, but both picks are pretty under-the-radar savvy. ARI taking both Leonard AND Perrault would not surprise me at all. St. Louis looks about right to me as well. For a team that generally competes quite well, St. Lou can kill it in this draft. Detroit needs a snipe like Barlow, but they equally need crafty C's in the prospect pool. USNTDP is in their backyard, so if Moore is there I'd quickly be reconsidering Moore's value should they pass, if it isn't Barlow or Dvorsky. For us, I expect safety first in Danielson. If he's out, Yager or Ritchie. I'd rather: A: Barlow, Musty, Simashev B: Honzek, Willander, Ritchie. At any rate, it was a fun exercise to help me tune to each team a bit better and understand potential fits. Chicago with Bedard and then Perron is tantalizing to me. Perron is small but huge on skill. The biggest ? for me, does Reinbacher go top 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, zima said: Nate sounds more like a pelt or Zary shouldn't we looking for more of a goal score than a 200 ft player who doesn't shoot according to scouting reports? That really isn't the case. His game isn't like their games. He's a big C and I doubt anyone is considering he'd likely be a winger. I can argue Smith, way up the board, would more likely move to wing due to to his play away from the puck. That argument doesn't really exist with Danielson. You can even argue that with Carlsson and try to make him Rantanen. As peeps alluded to, at worst he replaces Backlund. He's a C that has a center's toolbox. His off-puck awareness is ahead of the aforementioned, they have higher ceilings due to playmaking. Danielson is a true centerman before they are, imho. They can be top 3 wingers though, where Danielson isn't there in the right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Did a mock draft at nhlentrydraft.com, he are my picks for the Flames with very little info or research. 16: Ryan Leonard C 48: Carson Rehkopf C/LW 112: Ethan Miedema LW 176: Alexander Hellnemo G 208: Zachary Schulz D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zima Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Sorry wasn't looking at position I was looking at type of player but I guess we really don't have a C to take the place of Backs I assume Zarry or Ben Jones will not even make the bigs and if they do would probably be bottom 4 un less they really show up in the next season or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zima Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 I should also mention I hope we don't trade up last time we lost a very good D man although we seem to be ok on D so far unless we trade away Hanifin. I am also hoping Ruzicka will come into his own Backs didn't come out punching to begin with as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Did a mock draft at nhlentrydraft.com, he are my picks for the Flames with very little info or research. 16: Ryan Leonard C 48: Carson Rehkopf C/LW 112: Ethan Miedema LW 176: Alexander Hellnemo G 208: Zachary Schulz D Rehkopf at 48 isn't a bad pick at all. Leonard isn't getting to 16 though. Not even maybe. 48 to 112. UUuuggghhh. Do we have to Blockchain ourselves every draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Since this is off-season thread, I noticed that Debrincat wants to be traded. His Qualifying Offer is $9M. The original trade cost the 7th overall and a 2nd and a 3rd in 3rd in 2024. Had a bit of a down season. Has zero trade protection, but would only sign with certain teams. Sounds like Tkachuk. So, if they would do a similar trade value, would it be worth it for a 40 goal scorer more than once. Less of a passer, but adds 10+ PPG per season. Not as long a shelf life as a newly drafted player, but a known quantity. Costly, but in two years the cap will increase by a considerable amount. Might have to include Backlund or Coleman to make the money work this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Since this is off-season thread, I noticed that Debrincat wants to be traded. His Qualifying Offer is $9M. The original trade cost the 7th overall and a 2nd and a 3rd in 3rd in 2024. Had a bit of a down season. Has zero trade protection, but would only sign with certain teams. Sounds like Tkachuk. So, if they would do a similar trade value, would it be worth it for a 40 goal scorer more than once. Less of a passer, but adds 10+ PPG per season. Not as long a shelf life as a newly drafted player, but a known quantity. Costly, but in two years the cap will increase by a considerable amount. Might have to include Backlund or Coleman to make the money work this year. Not for me. Not a play driver and yet another small forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, conundrumed said: Not for me. Not a play driver and yet another small forward. Sorry about posting it in the wrong thread. My bad. Has 2 open. Duh. Fair assessment. How's about PLD? I don't think you are big on Sheifele these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Sorry about posting it in the wrong thread. My bad. Has 2 open. Duh. Fair assessment. How's about PLD? I don't think you are big on Sheifele these days. Could MTL trade the 5oa for PLD? If so, then should the Flames try to intercept that trade offering MTL Huberdeau + Pelletier? After that, Lindholm + 5oa to CBJ for 3oa is viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, The_People1 said: Could MTL trade the 5oa for PLD? If so, then should the Flames try to intercept that trade offering MTL Huberdeau + Pelletier? After that, Lindholm + 5oa to CBJ for 3oa is viable. That's a lot of moving parts for a draft pick. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Hubey has a full NMC. Lindholm + 5 overall is pretty steep for just moving up 2 spots. Yeah, I know. Any ideas that isn't a complete rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted June 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Right now Barlow is the top of my wish list. I’ve got a feeling Benson might slide, maybe not all the way to 16, but I could see the size scaring teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, The_People1 said: Could MTL trade the 5oa for PLD? If so, then should the Flames try to intercept that trade offering MTL Huberdeau + Pelletier? After that, Lindholm + 5oa to CBJ for 3oa is viable. PLD is now at whining about the only 2 teams he's been on. Are you sure you wanna be the third? Hard to cheer for a guy like that. I'd trade him to Arizona for a bag of pucks and unleash publicly about his antics personally. That's the bed he wants to lie on, feed it to him. Tell everyone "This guy is a great big Blockchaining homesick drag. Buyer be very aware". He'll prolly sign $7 x 8 when he hits MTL. Yeah. Something about league parity and this douche-ey ness doesn't jibe. Anyone else pays $11 per and he'll still be the paintywaif. Blockchain PLD. Who needs that Satoshi Nakamoto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, conundrumed said: PLD is now at whining about the only 2 teams he's been on. Are you sure you wanna be the third? Hard to cheer for a guy like that. I'd trade him to Arizona for a bag of pucks and unleash publicly about his antics personally. That's the bed he wants to lie on, feed it to him. Tell everyone "This guy is a great big Blockchaining homesick drag. Buyer be very aware". He'll prolly sign $7 x 8 when he hits MTL. Yeah. Something about league parity and this douche-ey ness doesn't jibe. Anyone else pays $11 per and he'll still be the paintywaif. Blockchain PLD. Who needs that Satoshi Nakamoto? Not exactly sure how you feel about him. Could you elaborate? LOL I would take Hubey over him for his attitude, and the only thing about him that is a plus is he's a C. And because you don't see quite with Hubey. Anyway, back to draft thoughts. Is Musty your top choice for the player you think will still be there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said: Right now Barlow is the top of my wish list. I’ve got a feeling Benson might slide, maybe not all the way to 16, but I could see the size scaring teams. Me too. Folks seem to either love him or hate him is the part that I don't get. Sources of info I guess. Good old social media. "Somebody said something that stuck with me, the guy sucks".lol There's a ton to like about Barlow. He's already a great pro with the media, man-sized since 16 and a hardcore hockey guy. He looks a lot like a solid 12+yr NHL career to me. Great hockey sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, travel_dude said: Not exactly sure how you feel about him. Could you elaborate? LOL I would take Hubey over him for his attitude, and the only thing about him that is a plus is he's a C. And because you don't see quite with Hubey. Anyway, back to draft thoughts. Is Musty your top choice for the player you think will still be there? Musty or Simashev. Or both. Detroit: Lindholm Calgary: 17th, Veleno, Wallinder My perfect world where both of my teams win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, conundrumed said: Musty or Simashev. Or both. Detroit: Lindholm Calgary: 17th, Veleno, Wallinder My perfect world where both of my teams win. Yeah, I'm kinda circling back on that trade. I'm not sure the GM would do it, since he seems keen on re-signing EL. But, if he can't build the team the way it needs to be built, he may just have to trade him. Can't just hope and pray. EDIT - It's not just a draft pick, which is why I am more on board this one. Of course if all the great choices are gone by 16, then the pick might not be worth as much to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted June 9, 2023 Report Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, travel_dude said: That's a lot of moving parts for a draft pick. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Hubey has a full NMC. Lindholm + 5 overall is pretty steep for just moving up 2 spots. Yeah, I know. Any ideas that isn't a complete rebuild? Bubble hasn't burst because Huberdeau's NMC doesn't kick in until July 1st. He's still on his previous contract so we have less than one month to trade him. To gamble that he will give us $10-mil production is too rich for me. It should be too rich for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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