travel_dude Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, cross16 said: I highly, highly doubt he and his camp will agree with you. Andreas Johnsson is a very similar player to Mangiapane. Draft position, AHL numbers, NHL numbers etc and he signed for 4 years at 3.5 million. JT Compher, who Mangiapane is going to out score at 5 on 5, got 4 years at 3.5Mill AAV. Alex Tuch has the draft position, and was very good in the playoffs, but Mangiapange has better 5 on 5 numbers at this stage of his career. Tuch got 7 years at 4.7mill AAV. I don't see how Mangiapane agrees to go long term at less than 4 mill. I just park this for now. No idea how he performs in the playoffs. No idea what BT sees for a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Sarasti said: https://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2020/3/5/21165191/heating-up-the-rise-of-hanirazz Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I found it an interesting read. Definitely have decisions to make as far as pairings go when we get Hamonic back in the lineup. reading the article I can actually see this in games. The play is going the other way more frequently but what the Forwards do with the puck is possibly a different story. As pucks can sometimes be in feet or taken to bad places where the plays die. It really depends. I lnow some don’t like the 3rd pair (new guys), but I think they push forward too. I think even though the PP1 doesn’t necessarily click right away, I can see Gus’ ability through the growing pains. They are relatively new to playing with him. I see food flow and occasionally good decisions on the point from him. My biggest problem is not putting Tkachuk in the slot where he is the best on the team at tipping. that was a good read. Hamonic could be pushed out. My view is find out who is better, him or Forbes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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travel_dude Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Carty said: Good to have him back and eating popcorn sooner than later. There is always the option of running 7D so he only plays 7 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, travel_dude said: Good to have him back and eating popcorn sooner than later. There is always the option of running 7D so he only plays 7 minutes. At the very least, he gives Hamonic an option, creates a little competition for a spot, and adds some insurance in case there is an injury... My guess is it won't be long until Wardo has him in the lineup though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 That's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ABC923 Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Not the dreaded Brodie-Hamonic pairing again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 3/10/2020 at 11:47 AM, JTech780 said: It's probably the safest use of Hamonic if you are giving him that many minutes. I don't like it, He should be 3rd pairing at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Valimaki being exempt for the expansion draft would be huge for the Flames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 2 hours ago, JTech780 said: It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Valimaki being exempt for the expansion draft would be huge for the Flames. I think the fact he never played a single game plays into it. However, if the season is delayed long enough, he might be ABLE to play. Holding him out, even if healthy, shouldn't enter into the calculation of pro experience. Just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, travel_dude said: I think the fact he never played a single game plays into it. However, if the season is delayed long enough, he might be ABLE to play. Holding him out, even if healthy, shouldn't enter into the calculation of pro experience. Just my take. If the season resumes, or when it does... It could go right into a playoff format, or maybe they play at least some of the remaining games to balance things out... Either way, I can't see why the Flames couldn't choose to keep Valimaki out of the mix... He's been out all season, so he could take too long to get up to a game shape condition level, risk of injury from returning too soon, etc... Just too many variables for the league to mandate a players return... The Flames would have a pretty strong case for keeping Valimaki out... Just my take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 41 minutes ago, Carty said: If the season resumes, or when it does... It could go right into a playoff format, or maybe they play at least some of the remaining games to balance things out... Either way, I can't see why the Flames couldn't choose to keep Valimaki out of the mix... He's been out all season, so he could take too long to get up to a game shape condition level, risk of injury from returning too soon, etc... Just too many variables for the league to mandate a players return... The Flames would have a pretty strong case for keeping Valimaki out... Just my take... I agree. Even if he is in game shape, we have Hamonic, Forbort, Kylington, Gustafsson that are battle tested. We may need all four of them if the season plays out. Based on who is fully capable, I would see Valimaki below the following: LD - Gio, Hanifin, Forbort, Gustafsson, Kylington RD - Brodie, Ras, Hamonic, Stone Why would we call into service a guy that has not played in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 I think it also depends on what the AHL does with their season. An AHL game counts as a pro game so in order for the Flames to keep that status he has to play zero hockey this season. If both leagues continue their seasons and Valimaki is cleared medically it will be difficult to keep him out of a game IMO. I suspect his agent would make some noise if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, cross16 said: I think it also depends on what the AHL does with their season. An AHL game counts as a pro game so in order for the Flames to keep that status he has to play zero hockey this season. If both leagues continue their seasons and Valimaki is cleared medically it will be difficult to keep him out of a game IMO. I suspect his agent would make some noise if that was the case. I don't think he is eligible to play in the AHL this year, because he wasn't on the AHL roster at the deadline and he finished last season on the NHL roster. I could be wrong, but I think his only option is NHL. The exception might be a conditioning stint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, JTech780 said: I don't think he is eligible to play in the AHL this year, because he wasn't on the AHL roster at the deadline and he finished last season on the NHL roster. I could be wrong, but I think his only option is NHL. The exception might be a conditioning stint. My theory would be that he is allowed to play in the AHL regular season but would be ineligible for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, JTech780 said: I don't think he is eligible to play in the AHL this year, because he wasn't on the AHL roster at the deadline and he finished last season on the NHL roster. I could be wrong, but I think his only option is NHL. The exception might be a conditioning stint. a conditioning stint is an option for sure. I believe, but could also be wrong, that he could be assigned just not play in the playoffs. I also wonder if the NHl revisits rules like this after a long break. I think they will have to give teams options. Be a pretty bad idea to just throw all players right back at it after a month or more off. I will say I don’t really expect Valimaki to play. I’m not sure the nhl is coming back and even if it does the flames sure won’t want him to play. I just wondering what could happen if there are options and the agent gets involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 It's starting to look more like even if the league gets going, it won't be before mid May at the soonest (or if can happen soon enough after that)... They would start with a mini training camp, and that then it would go right into some kind of playoff format... They don't want it to go any later than the end of July to award the cup... They sound pretty firm on wanting next season to start on time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted March 20, 2020 Report Share Posted March 20, 2020 I read that scientists or medical people in Ontario has a worst case scenario that the country could be on self distancing for up to two years. but who knows. I wonder if they could just go on a tournament style playoffs with 21 teams. I guess it isn’t fair to give a bye to a team or two in that scenario. 16 teams do work best. what if they played a full league playoff. Use the regular season to rank the teams and the #1 team gets the bye, or plays Detroit. If it is for all of the marbles teams might not take underdogs lightly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted May 26, 2020 Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 30 man Flames roster Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane Lucic-Ryan-Dube Bennett-Jankowski-Czarnik Gio-Brodie Hanifin-Andersson Gustafsson-Hamonic Rittich/Talbot Is Pelletier eligible to be part of the 30 man? I don't think he could be any worse than Czarnik or Rieder. I know players who aren't signed are not allowed like Kaprizov. I doubt Valimaki plays, I believe if he suits up he requires expansion protection. Extras Stone Rieder Rinaldo Quine Forbort Yelesin Gillies Gawdin Robinson Kylington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 On 5/26/2020 at 3:38 PM, Thebrewcrew said: 30 man Flames roster Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane Lucic-Ryan-Dube Bennett-Jankowski-Czarnik Gio-Brodie Hanifin-Andersson Gustafsson-Hamonic Rittich/Talbot Is Pelletier eligible to be part of the 30 man? I don't think he could be any worse than Czarnik or Rieder. I know players who aren't signed are not allowed like Kaprizov. I doubt Valimaki plays, I believe if he suits up he requires expansion protection. Extras Stone Rieder Rinaldo Quine Forbort Yelesin Gillies Gawdin Robinson Kylington Every Black Ace (on reserve roster) would be able to play. CHL players are also availible with their season cancelled. The new College kids wouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 I think a big thing this playoffs will be that there will be no fans, which bring a lot of motivation and energy to the players, so the players will need to find new ways to get that energy. Thats where guys like Lucic, Bennett, Rinaldo, and even Lomberg could play a big role. Edit: I had Valimaki in my original roster, but changed it as I forgot that if he plays we will have to protect him in the expansion draft. It's better asset management to hold him out till next season. Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane Lucic-Ryan-Dube Bennett-Jankowski-Rinaldo Rieder-Gawdin-Czarnik Lomberg-Quine-Robinson Giordano-Brodie Hanifin-Andersson Gustafsson-Hamonic Forbort-Kylington Yelesin-Stone Rittich Talbot Gillies Zagidulin Parsons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob74 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 hours ago, JTech780 said: I think a big thing this playoffs will be that there will be no fans, which bring a lot of motivation and energy to the players, so the players will need to find new ways to get that energy. Thats where guys like Lucic, Bennett, Rinaldo, and even Lomberg could play a big role. Edit: I had Valimaki in my original roster, but changed it as I forgot that if he plays we will have to protect him in the expansion draft. It's better asset management to hold him out till next season. Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane Lucic-Ryan-Dube Bennett-Jankowski-Rinaldo Rieder-Gawdin-Czarnik Lomberg-Quine-Robinson Giordano-Brodie Hanifin-Andersson Gustafsson-Hamonic Forbort-Kylington Yelesin-Stone Rittich Talbot Gillies Zagidulin Parsons Will they still have the music on the background. Will the arena guy still say final minute of play in a period? Will they still have the Anthems? It would be weird for them, but any of us Beer Leaguers know that it's easy to get up for games without fans, so I am sure some of these guys will find a competitive gear to ride. Just gotta Be Like Mike! Compete in all situations! I get the reasoning behind not playing Valamaki, but I feel like the team has always said, if they can play and help the team, they'd deal with the ramifications of them playing later. So I think if Valamaki can help the team, he'll play. They may say that they want him in better shape and ready for next year? I dunno, it's a long time to not play any hockey either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, robrob74 said: I get the reasoning behind not playing Valamaki, but I feel like the team has always said, if they can play and help the team, they'd deal with the ramifications of them playing later. So I think if Valamaki can help the team, he'll play. They may say that they want him in better shape and ready for next year? I dunno, it's a long time to not play any hockey either way. I agree, I do think it'd be unlikely he plays due the depth, but if the injuries pile up get him in, also better to at least practice with the team. In an ideal world the AHL would start at its usual timing and he can play games in October and step in with the Flames in December or whenever the 20-21 season starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted May 28, 2020 Report Share Posted May 28, 2020 Pre Trade deadline I would have said it would be tough to justify keeping Valimaki out of the lineup. Your only rationale would have been protecting him from the expansion draft. However, with the additions of Forbort and Gustafsson I think it's now pretty easy to justify not playing him for multiple reasons. Even if fully healthy with no layoff there is no guarantee he'd be one of the top 6. I don't see Valimaki playing but I do think he will be on the roster and available if injuries happen. I don't think they will hold him out and IMO they should not as it's not fair to the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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