MAC331 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, flames-fan-in-jets-land said: FWIW the 1st round pick isnt the worry. Its the roster player (Bennett? Mangiapane?) AND the future star (Dube? Valamaki?) Dorian was out GMed by previous deals, he will hold out to the point where it may not even happen. If we don't get Stone we will never know what BT offered up. As a rental I would hope he offered up the 1st 2019, Jankowski, Mangiapane and Czarnik. If he signs with us add our 2020 1st. If you are going to land a player such as Stone this is what it will take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, MAC331 said: The team that could be a sleeper on Stone is STL stl doesn't have a 1st this year and don't have a ton of prospects in the cupboard, but stranger things have materialized on TDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Thebrewcrew said: I think BT is gonna wait until the last hour until he does something. I wouldn’t say he’s completely out on Stone like Winnipeg was, because if that was the case I think he would have made a move. He’s gonna wait to see what plays out in otttawa and act accordingly That's where I'm at. He will have two potential deals in place. One will be the max deal with OTT, and not a penny more. Agree or walk away. The other will be a lesser player (MJ or AB or Hoffman) that is the fall back plan. At the 11th hour, BT will call the bluff on Dorion. Crap or get off the pot. Crap and the deal is done. Off the pot and the next deal is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Look, we were in on Stone and had a deal in place that “fell through”. I find it hard to believe we truly walk away from Stone after that much progress. However, if Stone and his agent are the reason it fell apart, then we’re out for sure. Another team will pay Stone what he wants in UFA, and it will no doubt be more than what BT would offer him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 I think the big hold up is Stone wants to wait till July to sign a deal with anyone. This drops the price teams will pay and Dorion knows he won't be able to match other offers. Dorion will wait till the last minute to show his fan base he did everything possible and had to cave to the best offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, redfire11 said: I think the big hold up is Stone wants to wait till July to sign a deal with anyone. This drops the price teams will pay and Dorion knows he won't be able to match other offers. Dorion will wait till the last minute to show his fan base he did everything possible and had to cave to the best offer. exactly this .. the sense I get is it ended with , " we will give you X if he signs an extension " then found out signing him is not an option (very likely why the team refused to let teams talk to him previously ) now its gone from teams competing to get an offer Dorion likes.. to competing with each other to give Dorion the best offer hes going to get ..its totally a game of Chicken now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 You heard it here first Gio has been traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 I should also add..this is a career defining moment for BT.. if he ends up not making the deal, he will be taken seriously in the future by all GMs that when he says "this is my best offer". He means it A lot like when Burke didn't trade Cammalleri, he wanted a 2nd , didn't get it so didn't trade the player .. that allowed I'm sure the good returns on Glencross and Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Agreed..we have to hang onto that top spot and play the 8 seed.. that's key.. vegas or STL first round will be scary Point is to make a run you have to through, St louis, WPG, NSH, Vegas. If your not going to bigger and more physical your only option is to out score your opposition. Our top line has been shut down as of late, our only weapon has been scoring, for me the more ammo and bigger gun the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, tmac70 said: Point is to make a run you have to through, St louis, WPG, NSH, Vegas. If your not going to bigger and more physical your only option is to out score your opposition. Our top line has been shut down as of late, our only weapon has been scoring, for me the more ammo and bigger gun the better Oh agreed.. just saying I'd rather have a softer first round and let those teams beat each other up a bit first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 ill put it out there that if we don’t get Stone, I think BT tries for Brassard for C depth (protecting against injury at a low cost) and/or takes aim at Skinner from Buffalo. He’s a UFA and hasn’t signed yet... could be one of those BT blind side trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Sure sounds like it's Stone or bust for the Flames, other than maybe depth. I can understand the logic, but it also had the potential to be a mistake and potential that we look back on this as a missed opportunity. I don't think the Hayes price was too far out there. I think the Flames are still "in" on Stone they are just trying to put pressure ont he Sens to drop the ask but I also think it's clear they've made him their only primary target.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, tmac70 said: Point is to make a run you have to through, St louis, WPG, NSH, Vegas. If your not going to bigger and more physical your only option is to out score your opposition. Our top line has been shut down as of late, our only weapon has been scoring, for me the more ammo and bigger gun the better A little less simple. Depth scoring. PP excellence. PK excellence. Goalie performing at a top level. We've lost games that we scored enough. But the PK or goaltending was bad. Scoring is not the big issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, lou44291 said: ill put it out there that if we don’t get Stone, I think BT tries for Brassard for C depth (protecting against injury at a low cost) and/or takes aim at Skinner from Buffalo. He’s a UFA and hasn’t signed yet... could be one of those BT blind side trades. I have no doubt he has deals B,C,D in his back pocket likely having left that team with "here's my best offer I'll let you know at 1245" .. Stone is 100% causing a traffic jam right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, JTech780 said: You heard it here first Gio has been traded. The rebuild has begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 I almost wonder know if Boeddeker and Ceci weren't part of " something big".. pulled from the game last night, then back on the ice at practice today but Stone is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: I almost wonder know if Boeddeker and Ceci weren't part of " something big".. pulled from the game last night, then back on the ice at practice today but Stone is not Is 3pm EST the cut off today or 5 pm EST ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, MAC331 said: Is 3pm EST the cut off today or 5 pm EST ? 3 EST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Using our 1st and Neal's and Ryan's contracts at the draft to open up cap space could potentially have us in the running for Bobrovsky,or Panarin,or Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Brassard isn't Plan b or C.. or whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Neal has to be traded out for us to be anywhere near cap to sign Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouCifer Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, cross16 said: Brassard isn't Plan b or C.. or whatever... I’m going to stop mentioning players. Too bad I already mentioned Skinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, redfire11 said: Neal has to be traded out for us to be anywhere near cap to sign Stone Not necessarily..many different options.. my personal feeling already is both Brodie and Frolik are gone in the summer .. there's 8 M freed up right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Tribal Chief Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 See with Neal Personally im Gonna hold on Critism cause Look how long it took hamonic to learn the team last Year we were all the same trade hamonic now this year it is different i think Neal may just need that first year being with new team and adjusting and settleing in properly like hamonic did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, cross16 said: Brassard isn't Plan b or C.. or whatever... personally , I think Simmonds is plan B.. Philly apparently holding out for a 1st , If we 100% walk away from Stone I feel BT gives up the 1st for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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