FlamesLogic Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 So that Ortio can observe a goalie with an obsolete blocker style combined with several bad habits and see exactly how NOT to be a successful goalie... Sometimes seeing what NOT to do is just as good as seeing what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTech780 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I really could care less who starts I don't really care to see any of the goalies back next year, Ortio included. IMO Ortio doesn't have NHL starter stuff. We are on 6 game losing streak so maybe Hartley is going with the goalie that has actually won a game this year to pull us out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 but Ortio might beat a team like BUF, just saying I get the joke. But the coach doesn't try to lose games. I would say they gave Hiller every possible opportunity to get a job for next year. They even tried to get him a tryout somewhere else as a TDL rental. That ship has sailed. Sure, give him a start. But the question comes to mind, why not give the young guy a chance against "one of the worst teams int he NHL". Surely giving him the chance to actually get a win might help his development. Instead, you start him in the 2nd night of a B2B and expect him to carry the mail. Ortio sat for 8 games (most in the press box) and played 1 on a B2B. He sat a second game then got a start (but only because of an injury) He sat 11 games (so Ramo could "get going") and was demoted He is recalled but sits 5 games (this time so Hiller could "get going") He finally gets his first consecutive set of games (3) plays well in the first 2 but gets sat after the 3 start isn't good He only sits one game (Hiller is predictably bad) and plays well in his start. But now he is sitting again (despite the good start) because they are supposedly on a pre-determined schedule Ortio didn't do much early to make a case for himself, but man the organization hasn't exactly made it a priority to put him in a position to gain confidence or find a groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just listened to Hartley giving his explanation for starting Hiller on Fan 960 a few minutes ago...He said it's because "we have a schedule with Sigalet"... Well Bob, that's utter nonsense unless your coaching a team of 5 year olds... and maybe that's what you should be doing... and you can take Sigalet with you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I get the joke. But the coach doesn't try to lose games. Ortio sat for 8 games (most in the press box) and played 1 on a B2B. He sat a second game then got a start (but only because of an injury) He sat 11 games (so Ramo could "get going") and was demoted He is recalled but sits 5 games (this time so Hiller could "get going") He finally gets his first consecutive set of games (3) plays well in the first 2 but gets sat after the 3 start isn't good He only sits one game (Hiller is predictably bad) and plays well in his start. But now he is sitting again (despite the good start) because they are supposedly on a pre-determined schedule Ortio didn't do much early to make a case for himself, but man the organization hasn't exactly made it a priority to put him in a position to gain confidence or find a groove. Yes, we agree then. Put him in a position to succeed. Don't sit him against the Sabres, then bring him back in to play the Penguins. Sit the guy after a good performance (2 GA), but start the guy who last had a bad one, who has not had many good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Those that are supporting Hartley, tell me this. If Hiller does well tonight (very possible against Buffalo) who do you think Hartley starts the next game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Yes, we agree then. Put him in a position to succeed. Don't sit him against the Sabres, then bring him back in to play the Penguins. Sit the guy after a good performance (2 GA), but start the guy who last had a bad one, who has not had many good ones. If you are evaluating him why not against PIT ? I think you guys are making way to much over this goalie or that goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just listened to Hartley giving his explanation for starting Hiller on Fan 960 a few minutes ago...He said it's because "we have a schedule with Sigalet"... Well Bob, that's utter nonsense unless your coaching a team of 5 year olds... and maybe that's what you should be doing... and you can take Sigalet with you... Indeed. Schedule now. Get goalie X going before that. Merit before that. Playing a developing goalie in an easier and meaningless game after a strong performance clearly doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420since1974 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 19 games to go, no play-offs this season. The Flames need to play Orito for at least 8 more to keep his status as a RFA, and decide if he is worth signing as a backup Let's say Backstrom gets a couple as "promised" in the trade. That leave 9 games that are up in the air for anyone to play. All I can suggest is that everyone try to relax, I have faith that the goal tending will be sorted out in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC331 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Those that are supporting Hartley, tell me this. If Hiller does well tonight (very possible against Buffalo) who do you think Hartley starts the next game? Ortio of course. Hey let's make this a contest and try to guess the schedule they have come up with, you have to post your pick before the projected line ups come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 If you are evaluating him why not against PIT ? I think you guys are making way to much over this goalie or that goalie. Have you seen Ortio after the losses? He is getting down on himself. Why do you want to give him the biggest tests before he even wins a game? Sounds like McBackup's treatment from years ago. Curtis M. got his first career win in his 14th start, on the last game of the 2008/09 season. Ortio of course. Hey let's make this a contest and try to guess the schedule they have come up with, you have to post your pick before the projected line ups come out. We should post a thread about guessing the starting assignments for the 3 goalies. 1st prize is bragging rights and gets to email BT with their suggestion for a new coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Those that are supporting Hartley, tell me this. If Hiller does well tonight (very possible against Buffalo) who do you think Hartley starts the next game? I honeslty think it will be Backstrom/Ortio. I think its pretty likely that instead of playing Ortio as much as they can they want to test him against certain oppoenents and certain situations. BTW, i'm not really "supporting" Hartley. As you know i'm not a fan either I just think people need to settle down a bit when it comes to Ortio. I don't think what he is doing with Ortio is illogical at all, thats my point and let's see what happens. If I'm wrong and 15 games from now Ortio has played 3 times or something I will fully admit that Hartley screwed up, I just have a hard time seeing it. I personally believe that since they've recalled him, they have demonstrated that they want to see what they have in Ortio. Have you seen Ortio after the losses? He is getting down on himself. Really disagree with this, in fact I would argue the opposite. I don't love Ortio's technique but one think you have to admire is his confidence and his "aw shucks" attitude. He had every reason to questions himself this year but instead he came back and has played with alot of confidence. If you think thats is because of his candor in interviews well remember he is Finish. They seemed trained to lack all types of emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I honeslty think it will be Backstrom/Ortio. I think its pretty likely that instead of playing Ortio as much as they can they want to test him against certain oppoenents and certain situations. BTW, i'm not really "supporting" Hartley. As you know i'm not a fan either I just think people need to settle down a bit when it comes to Ortio. I don't think what he is doing with Ortio is illogical at all, thats my point and let's see what happens. If I'm wrong and 15 games from now Ortio has played 3 times or something I will fully admit that Hartley screwed up, I just have a hard time seeing it. I personally believe that since they've recalled him, they have demonstrated that they want to see what they have in Ortio. Really disagree with this, in fact I would argue the opposite. I don't love Ortio's technique but one think you have to admire is his confidence and his "aw shucks" attitude. He had every reason to questions himself this year but instead he came back and has played with alot of confidence. If you think thats is because of his candor in interviews well remember he is Finish. They seemed trained to lack all types of emotion. What I mean is that he seems to take responsibility for the losses. He may have had a bad goal, but he was not the reason. He should feel bad about the loss to Ottawa, but not the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Dear Hartley, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbertaBoy12 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Have you seen Ortio after the losses? He is getting down on himself. Why do you want to give him the biggest tests before he even wins a game? Sounds like McBackup's treatment from years ago. Curtis M. got his first career win in his 14th start, on the last game of the 2008/09 season. We should post a thread about guessing the starting assignments for the 3 goalies. 1st prize is bragging rights and gets to email BT with their suggestion for a new coach. I don't buy this bulk that he has a schedule rofl but I like this thread idea you could just post hiller and you would win 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 What I mean is that he seems to take responsibility for the losses. He may have had a bad goal, but he was not the reason. He should feel bad about the loss to Ottawa, but not the others. What is he suppose to say? I played great but my team let me down? Probably true, but imagine the headline the next day if he said that. Don't read into a post game scrum is sort of what i'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 What I mean is that he seems to take responsibility for the losses. He may have had a bad goal, but he was not the reason. He should feel bad about the loss to Ottawa, but not the others. Even the loss to Ottawa wasn't entirely on him. Yes, he might have been able to save the game with a timely save on one of the hat-trick, but the entire team also let him down at that time too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I don't buy this bulk that he has a schedule rofl but I like this thread idea you could just post hiller and you would win 90% of the time. It was on Fan 960 radio station about +/- 1pm today, right after they were scratching their heads over Hiller getting the start... As crazy as it sounds, in response to being asked about Hillier getting the start tonight, Hartley freakin' said "we have a schedule with Sigalet".. It was Bob speaking, and here is zero doubt he said they have a schedule and implied Sigalet has significant input... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's not a complicated debate. Ortio played well and earned the next start. He isn't getting it because Hartley decided they are going to be minor hockey and follow an arbitrary goalie rotation. It doesn't make sense and it is just one more pebble in the pile of Hartley nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hiller in nets tonight. Tank versus tank? Actually unintentional tank (bad coaching decision) vs tank. Well, the more we play Hiller the more it does seem like intent to tank. Ortio hasn't been the reason for any of our losses. No, he didn't save us against Ottawa, but at this point I'm not really upset. Ortio deserves a job next year, And if Hiller gets us that 1RW in the draft we need, then we have one less hole to worry about. So ..... at this point I'm good either way. a The only justification to not play Ortio tonight is if he is unavailable due to illness, injury, or because they have to send him down / recall him due to the Backstrom trade. I will hold judgement until we know what is what. EDIT: Looks like that isn't the case as Ortio is the back-up according to morning skate. This really irks me. Ortio has played better in 3 of his last 4 starts then Hiller has most of the season. Plus the Flames need to play him to see what they have in him. Playing Hiller right now makes less then no sense. Shame on Hartley. There are a number of possibilities as to why Hiller is starting none of them falls into the intentional tank thinking. BH said it is a scheduled start and intended by Jordan Sigalet and his sched. Ortio has not won a game this season. I know he has better stats, especially lately, but the biggest stat of all stats is Wins. Wins trump all other stats. Flames have already decided that Ortio is not going to be a factor in our future and don't need to "see what he can do" any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darth_henning Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 There are a number of possibilities as to why Hiller is starting none of them falls into the intentional tank thinking. BH said it is a scheduled start and intended by Jordan Sigalet and his sched. Ortio has not won a game this season. I know he has better stats, especially lately, but the biggest stat of all stats is Wins Wins trump all other stats. Flames have already decided that Ortio is not going to be a factor in our future and don't need to "see what he can do" any longer. YEah. None of those make sense. Sigalet's schedule is meaningless when earlier in the year it was playing either Hiller or Ramo for stretches to "get them going" so that holds no water. Of the 4 starts Ortio has had since calling up, we've lost all 4. Three of them by a 2-1 score. You can't blame the goalie for that. If they have then that's remarkably shortsighted. No, he's not played like an NHL starter. But given how he's been handled this season I doubt even Price would in that position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 YEah. None of those make sense. Sigalet's schedule is meaningless when earlier in the year it was playing either Hiller or Ramo for stretches to "get them going" so that holds no water. Of the 4 starts Ortio has had since calling up, we've lost all 4. Three of them by a 2-1 score. You can't blame the goalie for that. If they have then that's remarkably shortsighted. No, he's not played like an NHL starter. But given how he's been handled this season I doubt even Price would in that position. What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 There are a number of possibilities as to why Hiller is starting none of them falls into the intentional tank thinking. BH said it is a scheduled start and intended by Jordan Sigalet and his sched. Ortio has not won a game this season. I know he has better stats, especially lately, but the biggest stat of all stats is Wins Wins trump all other stats. Flames have already decided that Ortio is not going to be a factor in our future and don't need to "see what he can do" any longer. The 3rd point is debatable. Bob wouldn't be the one making that decision. BT would be, and it seems like BT's decisions aren't reflected in the lineups. BT gave Hartley 3 goalies to start with, but he only went with 2. BT called up Nakladal only to have him sit the entire time. It could be the 1st one, but that only applies if there is some doubt about the starter. Usually the win/good effort and you are in is the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 You need to RELAX I agree, to much about nothing now. Let Ortio get enough games in to keep him around for next year if an option. Otherwise play it out and see where we finish with our draft positioning. Amen... Grain of sand decision in a sea of sandbars... Those that are supporting Hartley, tell me this. If Hiller does well tonight (very possible against Buffalo) who do you think Hartley starts the next game? Hiller has worse stats but he gets wins anyway. Hiller has the best wins/loss ratio of all goalies. Hiller was put in the Vancouver game and You and others all screamed the same thing... "but Ortio deserves the start". Hiller got the win. See my other list of reasons why they might be wanting to start Hiller. There is a possibility that BT has requested Hiller get starts and this is just one of a few spots to fit that request in. Some of you guys have to simmer down. This is not the end of the world because it is likely we are not playoff bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Amen... Grain of sand decision in a sea of sandbars... Hiller has worse stats but he gets wins anyway. Hiller has the best wins/loss ratio of all goalies. Hiller was put in the Vancouver game and You and others all screamed the same thing... "but Ortio deserves the start". Hiller got the win. See my other list of reasons why they might be wanting to start Hiller. There is a possibility that BT has requested Hiller get starts and this is just one of a few spots to fit that request in. Some of you guys have to simmer down. This is not the end of the world because it is likely we are not playoff bound. I am sure they have a reason. I am relatively sure that Hartley can be taken for face value in that they have developed a rotation. I am also sure that is ridiculous and flies in the face of "Always Earned." Not that Hartley has cared much about that this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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