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[Cowtownguy]

I do not like any of the challenges. I predicted that they would slow down the game. I also assumed that they would result in better calls being made in the end. That does not seem to be the case in my mind. If anything, they have the opposite effect and still slow down the play and ruin momentum. Not a fan of the challenges over here.

[jjgallow]

1 hour ago, AlbertaBoy12 said:

The offside goal was no different then the game where we had the stajan and bouma goals called off for offside. Im so tired of people complaing about that offside call, I get that technically its offside but those kind of challenge calls are ruining the spirit of the game. He was technically offside, but hes onside if his foot is on the ice, thats just a wasted call. I dont see the goaltender interference challenge as much different then any other one this season, they need to fix the rule because the way it is written right now its not helping. There has been way to many goals this season  where coaches arent sure about the interference and it shouldnt be that way.

 

The icing goal the oilers have no one to blame but themselves, you can complain all you want but you dont just quit on a play because you dont get a whistle thats ridiculous. 

 

Agreed.  The league/referees/system also didn't force the Oilers to get out-shot 64-38, out-faceoffed 60% to 40%, out-hit 41-28, or lose the last two previous games when they had  a 2-0 series lead.   

 

They often say a 2-0 lead is the worst lead to have in hockey.  This has was true last night for the Oilers, and in the previous game, and in the series itself.  This team is clearly uncomfortable in the drivers seat, as they always have been.   Maybe rightly so.

 

If there's anything to raise suspicion about, it's how the team acquired McDavid to begin with.   Whether it's poor management, or a new arena, the reasons were fundamentally wrong.

 

The writing is on the wall (the writing being their play).  One more loss, and their salary cap woes and signing disputes begin for next season.    And these playoffs won't help that cause one bit.   No sympathy here.

[DirtyDeeds]

4 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

Agreed.  The league/referees/system also didn't force the Oilers to get out-shot 64-38, out-faceoffed 60% to 40%, out-hit 41-28, or lose the last two previous games when they had  a 2-0 series lead.   

 

They often say a 2-0 lead is the worst lead to have in hockey.  This has was true last night for the Oilers, and in the previous game, and in the series itself.  This team is clearly uncomfortable in the drivers seat, as they always have been.   Maybe rightly so.

 

If there's anything to raise suspicion about, it's how the team acquired McDavid to begin with.   Whether it's poor management, or a new arena, the reasons were fundamentally wrong.

 

The writing is on the wall (the writing being their play).  One more loss, and their salary cap woes and signing disputes begin for next season.    And these playoffs won't help that cause one bit.   No sympathy here.

I'll ask this question only because you bring it up.. Do you think there was some form of conspiracy for the Oilers to get the 1st overall ? What are odds they win that lotto 2 times..... ?

 

On one hand The league changed the rules and odds .. Was it because of the unusual luck? or more to temper the conversation about the Oilers and how "lucky they were".

 

I will say this. The system of opening envelopes leaves a lot of discussion open on who and how did they come to the order of stuffing the envelope.

[jjgallow]

2 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said:

I'll ask this question only because you bring it up.. Do you think there was some form of conspiracy for the Oilers to get the 1st overall ? What are odds they win that lotto 2 times..... ?

 

On one hand The league changed the rules and odds .. Was it because of the unusual luck? or more to temper the conversation about the Oilers and how "lucky they were".

 

I will say this. The system of opening envelopes leaves a lot of discussion open on who and how did they come to the order of stuffing the envelope.

 

Suffice it to say, the league has done very little (if anything) to dispel doubt.   It would be extremely easy to make it fair and transparent, but the league under Gary Bettman has done no such thing.  The same Bettman designed system in the NBA is being called into serious question now at the highest levels, after winners were accidentally announced moments before the supposed "lottery" took place.

[travel_dude]

31 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said:

I'll ask this question only because you bring it up.. Do you think there was some form of conspiracy for the Oilers to get the 1st overall ? What are odds they win that lotto 2 times..... ?

 

On one hand The league changed the rules and odds .. Was it because of the unusual luck? or more to temper the conversation about the Oilers and how "lucky they were".

 

I will say this. The system of opening envelopes leaves a lot of discussion open on who and how did they come to the order of stuffing the envelope.

 

Kind of like the Academy Awards, where they get the wrong envelope to the host.  Their results are supposed to be monitored by auditors too, yet a guy busy testing messes u the envelope?

 

If this was run like a Vegas casino, there may be less question.  The gaming commissions are a little more wise to the scams that can take place.  Funny how the two teams that almost leave town over arena construction win the best player in years, once their arena deals are finalized.  I don't see the improvement in transparency, it still seems to be a back room thing.  

[jjgallow]

1 hour ago, travel_dude said:

 

Kind of like the Academy Awards, where they get the wrong envelope to the host.  Their results are supposed to be monitored by auditors too, yet a guy busy testing messes u the envelope?

 

If this was run like a Vegas casino, there may be less question.  The gaming commissions are a little more wise to the scams that can take place.  Funny how the two teams that almost leave town over arena construction win the best player in years, once their arena deals are finalized.  I don't see the improvement in transparency, it still seems to be a back room thing.  

 

Yup.

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, jjgallow said:

 

Yup.

13,092 and we are agreeing again?  What the.....

[robrob74]

7 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

I think they need to eliminate the challenge on off-sides.  They don't ever seem conclusive, so why bother.

By the sounds of it, they want to add "delay of game" to the challenge reasons.

 

What bothers me about the whole thing is that they can't ever seem to have definitive proof to dispute the call on the ice.  Didn't in 2004.  Can't seem to tell what a high stick is, whether the goalie had the chance to make a save, etc.  Get rid of the stupid Ipads and just let the War Room decide.

 

The one area where I agree with the league blowing the horn is when a goal is scored and the goal judge misses it.  That one needs to be 100% correct.  I think they don't actually stop the play, just wait for the nest whistle. 

 

 

I think you're right! And I think I just think, the NHL may as well just make the decisions. 

 

Like you say about the ipads, how can they even see on such a tiny device and make an educated decision?

[jjgallow]

3 hours ago, travel_dude said:

13,092 and we are agreeing again?  What the.....

 

Lol...good thing there's an Oilers thread

[jjgallow]

 

And so it all ends, before it began.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers-off-season-connor-mcdavid-contract-leon-draisaitl-trade-eberle-russell/

 

 

[Cowtownguy]

13 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

And so it all ends, before it began.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers-off-season-connor-mcdavid-contract-leon-draisaitl-trade-eberle-russell/

 

 

Ha! Rinne has more playoff points this year than Eberle!? Ouch.

[Cowtownguy]

On May 6, 2017 at 5:13 PM, robrob74 said:

 

 

I think you're right! And I think I just think, the NHL may as well just make the decisions. 

 

Like you say about the ipads, how can they even see on such a tiny device and make an educated decision?

And it's not just the iPads that suck. Sometimes, when I watch a review, I feel like I am watching a cheap South Park episode given the low number of frames and pixels of the images. If memory serves, I was watching video of a coach's challenge to an offside call in the Senators/Rangers series. The number of frames was so low, that there was no way one could definitively determine whether the puck crossed the blue line before the skate did. They just didn't have the image available. One had to make inferences using the speed of both the puck and player. I don't expect the NHL to get everything perfectly, but surely they are capable of securing a superior video feed. Apple offers a 5K monitor, so I assume that the NHL can get better than high definition (if it is even HD). As Flames fans, we are more sensitive to this issue because we all remember the goal that wasn't to be.

[Heartbreaker]

5 hours ago, Cowtownguy said:

And it's not just the iPads that suck. Sometimes, when I watch a review, I feel like I am watching a cheap South Park episode given the low number of frames and pixels of the images. If memory serves, I was watching video of a coach's challenge to an offside call in the Senators/Rangers series. The number of frames was so low, that there was no way one could definitively determine whether the puck crossed the blue line before the skate did. 

 

Probably should get one of those super-slo-mo replays brought to us by Tim Horton's. 

 

Love. 

[travel_dude]

Sekera out 6-9 months with a torn ACL.  Let's hop they can't trade Eberle for a good D-man.  Choke on it Chia.  

[jjgallow]

58 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

Sekera out 6-9 months with a torn ACL.  Let's hop they can't trade Eberle for a good D-man.  Choke on it Chia.  

 

Yup, it's just a stream of good news....

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-andrej-sekera-6-9-months-torn-acl/

 

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/it-will-be-really-difficult-for-edmonton-oilers-to-move-jordan-eberle-and-his-6-million-contract-says-nhl-insider

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/time-for-edmonton-oilers-to-rethink-ryan-nugent-hopkins-role-in-light-of-faceoff-woes

 

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/i-cant-see-how-the-edmonton-oilers-can-afford-kris-russell-long-term

 

[travel_dude]

38 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

Yup, it's just a stream of good news....

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/oilers-andrej-sekera-6-9-months-torn-acl/

 

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/it-will-be-really-difficult-for-edmonton-oilers-to-move-jordan-eberle-and-his-6-million-contract-says-nhl-insider

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/time-for-edmonton-oilers-to-rethink-ryan-nugent-hopkins-role-in-light-of-faceoff-woes

 

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/i-cant-see-how-the-edmonton-oilers-can-afford-kris-russell-long-term

 

 

All of those are valid thoughts.  I'm of the belief that the Oilers will need to sign Russell just to be worse next season.  They are not deep in that position.  Benning was a good bottom pairing guy, and Nurse was better.  But, let's face it, they are not going to be able to use Eberle or Nuge to pick up a top 4 defender prior to the expansion draft.  Eberle doesn't get you Hamonic or Leddy.  He doesn't get you Fowler.  He doesn't get you Trouba or Myers from WPG.  His cap hit and protection requirement make him a trade of an equal skill and cost.

 

After the draft, the teams won't be unloading D-men.  And then of course, you have the added expense of FA, while trying to deal with the RFA's and keeping space for McD.  

[AlbertaBoy12]

7 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

All of those are valid thoughts.  I'm of the belief that the Oilers will need to sign Russell just to be worse next season.  They are not deep in that position.  Benning was a good bottom pairing guy, and Nurse was better.  But, let's face it, they are not going to be able to use Eberle or Nuge to pick up a top 4 defender prior to the expansion draft.  Eberle doesn't get you Hamonic or Leddy.  He doesn't get you Fowler.  He doesn't get you Trouba or Myers from WPG.  His cap hit and protection requirement make him a trade of an equal skill and cost.

 

After the draft, the teams won't be unloading D-men.  And then of course, you have the added expense of FA, while trying to deal with the RFA's and keeping space for McD.  

The talking heads on the radio here in edmonton sure seem to think eberle gets you a top 4 D man, if im watching eberle play in the playoffs im sure not trading hamonic for him, 51 points or whatever it is in the regular season aside. His lack of compete in the playoffs is going to be a hard sell for any GM.

 

Im curious to see what the oilers do with mcdavid making 10 million a year, and what draisitals contract will look like. 

 

Also I agree with others that talbot is a #1 goalie, his stats arent world beater level at .919 and 2.39 over the season, the only thing is he played 73 games to get to that point, he may be much better with less starts, but it goes with his career average at this point. 

 

Rishaug is on record in edmonton here saying he talked to scouts and apparently poolparty is a lazy player, doesnt always seem engaged. I dont think he will be a bad NHL player, or that the oilers will be bad again, but this whole dynasty talk might be a little premature unless chiapet can do some amazing tight rope walking with his players. 

[travel_dude]

29 minutes ago, AlbertaBoy12 said:

The talking heads on the radio here in edmonton sure seem to think eberle gets you a top 4 D man, if im watching eberle play in the playoffs im sure not trading hamonic for him, 51 points or whatever it is in the regular season aside. His lack of compete in the playoffs is going to be a hard sell for any GM.

 

 

They tried to get NYI to take Eberle for Hamonic, when Hamonic wanted to be out west.  Non-starter.  He's more of a hinderance than a help to a team now.

If they retained 50%, they might get a 30 point forward on a even trade.  That's no help as they would still be paying $6m.

[rickross]

19 minutes ago, AlbertaBoy12 said:

The talking heads on the radio here in edmonton sure seem to think eberle gets you a top 4 D man, if im watching eberle play in the playoffs im sure not trading hamonic for him, 51 points or whatever it is in the regular season aside. His lack of compete in the playoffs is going to be a hard sell for any GM.

 

Im curious to see what the oilers do with mcdavid making 10 million a year, and what draisitals contract will look like. 

 

Also I agree with others that talbot is a #1 goalie, his stats arent world beater level at .919 and 2.39 over the season, the only thing is he played 73 games to get to that point, he may be much better with less starts, but it goes with his career average at this point. 

 

Rishaug is on record in edmonton here saying he talked to scouts and apparently poolparty is a lazy player, doesnt always seem engaged. I dont think he will be a bad NHL player, or that the oilers will be bad again, but this whole dynasty talk might be a little premature unless chiapet can do some amazing tight rope walking with his players. 

There's no way you get a top 4 D man for Eberle. Eberle is known as a 1 way player..he has zero defensive game and like you said he has zero sandpaper to him. Teams wouldn't part with a defensive asset just to pick up a defensive liability carrying a $6million tag at that. Why the Oilers front office mandated $6 million to its 1st Rounders is still one of the universes greatest mysteries. 

 

Talbot is legit but they can't expect him not to burn out or get injured if they keep playing him 70 games and facing 35+shots/night. I still think they'll actually resign Draisatl at a fair value, nothing over $7million and Chiapet is likely looking to get Mcdavid extended before this season ends. 

[jjgallow]

37 minutes ago, AlbertaBoy12 said:

Im curious to see what the oilers do with mcdavid making 10 million a year, and what draisitals contract will look like. 

 

Like another rebuild, imho.

[Cowtownguy]

2 hours ago, AlbertaBoy12 said:

Im curious to see what the oilers do with mcdavid making 10 million a year, and what draisitals contract will look like. 

A lot of people are saying that McDavid will take $10 million. I am not sure why they seem so confident asserting that figure. Why would his agent not try for more cash? I would not be surprised if he earns less money in endorsements compared to a Sydney Crosby, and our dollar tends to be much weaker that the US dollar. I am not disputing the $10 million figure. I am just not clear as to why people keep repeating it.

[jjgallow]

41 minutes ago, Cowtownguy said:

I am just not clear as to why people keep repeating it.

 

 You mean the $10 million?

[Cowtownguy]

5 minutes ago, jjgallow said:

 

 You mean the $10 million?

Yes, why do people assume that he will accept $10 million? I thought that a team could provide a player with as much as something like $15 million. One would assume that he would be the guy to go for that. Otherwise, why not make it a rule that a player can only earn $10 million? Also, are all/most of these guys paid in US dollars?

[Flyerfan52]

9 hours ago, travel_dude said:

 

They tried to get NYI to take Eberle for Hamonic, when Hamonic wanted to be out west.  Non-starter.  He's more of a hinderance than a help to a team now.

If they retained 50%, they might get a 30 point forward on a even trade.  That's no help as they would still be paying $6m.

They originally offered Eberle for Larsson as well but NJ insisted on Hall.

[Flyerfan52]

7 hours ago, Cowtownguy said:

Yes, why do people assume that he will accept $10 million? I thought that a team could provide a player with as much as something like $15 million. One would assume that he would be the guy to go for that. Otherwise, why not make it a rule that a player can only earn $10 million? Also, are all/most of these guys paid in US dollars?

All costs including salaries are in US dollars.