420since1974 Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 I agree, none of them get traded while the current management is in place. They'll never admit to even the smallest error on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Think about it though. They traded away one of their better defensemen for a pick. They need to have at least a good defenseman next season, so they have to trade something or overpay in FA. Think somewhere north of $5m. And that is assuming there is anyone better than Nikitin available. Next season they have Jultz, Feyne, Nikitin, Marincin, Klefbom, Ference. None of them is close to a top-pair d-man. Nor do any of them have much offensive flair. They have basically an AHL back end with a few NHL players sprinkled in. They have a lot of work to do to become an NHL team next year. They have tons of work to do of corse. I don't think the oilers will ever admit this publically but try are rebuilding again and I think that's clear this year with their moves. I would look at it this way it I were the oilers. We could sign Petry to be a 4/5 Dman and a pretty high price tag, IMO, where we've already got Fayne and Nikitin to play that role. We've got Klefbokm and Maricin who both have seen some success but need me opportunity and Nurse is coming. We need help on the top pairing which Petry won't help with so let's not crowd our depth another Dman we've already got on the roster and instead let's set our sights higher. The issue is not replacing Jeff Petry it's that the oilers need to improve on Jeff Petry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 They have tons of work to do of corse. I don't think the oilers will ever admit this publically but try are rebuilding again and I think that's clear this year with their moves. I would look at it this way it I were the oilers. We could sign Petry to be a 4/5 Dman and a pretty high price tag, IMO, where we've already got Fayne and Nikitin to play that role. We've got Klefbokm and Maricin who both have seen some success but need me opportunity and Nurse is coming. We need help on the top pairing which Petry won't help with so let's not crowd our depth another Dman we've already got on the roster and instead let's set our sights higher. The issue is not replacing Jeff Petry it's that the oilers need to improve on Jeff Petry No doubt that Petry is not the best D-man in the world, but on a rebuilding team, you have to keep top talent vets. Nikitin was a 6/7 D-man. He can't step up to take Petry's minutes. Even if he was healthy. Their captain is not even a 3/4 D man on their team. That is sad. They are going to have to overpay (players and picks) to land a quality D-man better than Petry. A lot of players will not waive to go there. Rebuilding is nothing without a core group of vets to help them along. Think CGY without Gio, Hudler, and Wideman. Or GlenX for the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cross16 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 No doubt that Petry is not the best D-man in the world, but on a rebuilding team, you have to keep top talent vets. Nikitin was a 6/7 D-man. He can't step up to take Petry's minutes. Even if he was healthy. Their captain is not even a 3/4 D man on their team. That is sad. They are going to have to overpay (players and picks) to land a quality D-man better than Petry. A lot of players will not waive to go there. Rebuilding is nothing without a core group of vets to help them along. Think CGY without Gio, Hudler, and Wideman. Or GlenX for the last 2 years. We clearly have a differnt view of what Petry is. Petry was avg right around 20 mins a night and IMO is an avg 4/5 Dman that is not difficult to replace just by spreading around minutes to the rest of the D. Will they have to overpay to improve on him of course because in order to improve upon him you are acquiring a legit top 3 Dman and that's expensive. That's the problem the oilers have when they havnt drafted a decent Dman in forever like the flames did but I don't yhjnk the answer is to miscast Petry into a top 3 role just because he is your only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I guess the Petry scenario is similar to the Flames and Glencross. The Flames have so many 2nd/3rd line wingers already, plus more young ones coming up the system, that we don't want to give Glencross term on a contract. It's not that Glencross isn't a good 2nd/3rd line winger, it's that the Flames have too many of them so we might as well trade him and get something for him. Petry is not a bad 3/4/5 but the Oilers are full of those. I think Darnell Nurse is the real deal but he's still a few years away from putting it all together. Klefbom has potential but more of a 2/3/4 instead of a stud #1. Those two kids need ice time next season. Marincin is also a shut down guy the Oilers have a lot of hope for. Fayne and J.Schultz are RHS so at least that gives them some pairing options, albiet, options for their low pairs only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 We clearly have a differnt view of what Petry is. Petry was avg right around 20 mins a night and IMO is an avg 4/5 Dman that is not difficult to replace just by spreading around minutes to the rest of the D. Will they have to overpay to improve on him of course because in order to improve upon him you are acquiring a legit top 3 Dman and that's expensive. That's the problem the oilers have when they havnt drafted a decent Dman in forever like the flames did but I don't yhjnk the answer is to miscast Petry into a top 3 role just because he is your only option.To be fair, the Oiler's D all average between 15 and 22 minutes. Jultz was overplayed by the former coach because he is a "star". The point is that you don't ship out your top shutdown d-man for a pick, unless you don't intend on competing for 3-5 years. Marincin and Klefbom may be bright lights in the future, but they are being buried now. Ference and Fayne will not help them win much. Nikitin is a Babchuk. Jultz is a forward and PP specialist. The biggest question being asked by MacT is who is available in the 2016 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfreining Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 The biggest question being asked by MacT is who is available in the 2016 draft. I think he already knows the player he wants to draft 2016. I believe they are already looking for the 1st overall 2017,2018,201..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheersMan Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I thought they had the funeral service last fall? Why did they wait until spring for the burial? Isn't that an eastern practice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I think he already knows the player he wants to draft 2016. I believe they are already looking for the 1st overall 2017,2018,201..... this is very flawed thinking. They are already running into cap problems with all the #1 picks and giving out large long term contracts to them. They are going to have a tough time with Yak and Jultz let alone down the line with Nurse and more top picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfreining Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 this is very flawed thinking. They are already running into cap problems with all the #1 picks and giving out large long term contracts to them. They are going to have a tough time with Yak and Jultz let alone down the line with Nurse and more top picks. Sorry Deeds, I only forgot the smiley . The Oilers could have 20 1st overall picks and still not get into the playoffs. And as you said we are not even talking about the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I know you were talking tongue in cheek but it was also a good point and there is lots of truth to it. A good team needs maybe 3 good franchise/elite type players. Plus a couple more top performers that are not quite elite. Then they have to fill in the remainder of the club but not with high picks. It appears to me that with the changes around the NHL from lockouts and stuff that a competing club also has to find some gems in their ranks. Gems in that they turn out to be players who won't cost too much. Jooris, Byron might be good examples for us. Look at Boston struggling to stay under the cap and having to trade away Boychuk and still having to make hard choices for this season.... Oilers are headed for big trouble and the Yak circus demanding big admission will be a good example.... watch for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I know you were talking tongue in cheek but it was also a good point and there is lots of truth to it. A good team needs maybe 3 good franchise/elite type players. Plus a couple more top performers that are not quite elite. Then they have to fill in the remainder of the club but not with high picks. It appears to me that with the changes around the NHL from lockouts and stuff that a competing club also has to find some gems in their ranks. Gems in that they turn out to be players who won't cost too much. Jooris, Byron might be good examples for us. Look at Boston struggling to stay under the cap and having to trade away Boychuk and still having to make hard choices for this season.... Oilers are headed for big trouble and the Yak circus demanding big admission will be a good example.... watch for it... Too true Deeds. Petry may not be a franchise player but he would have helped them manage their cap. All they had to do was offer him a decent deal for a decent player. Throw in a NTC to keep it cheap. But that is not their MO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I thought they had the funeral service last fall? Why did they wait until spring for the burial? It's a constant but the official date of death changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Too true Deeds. Petry may not be a franchise player but he would have helped them manage their cap. All they had to do was offer him a decent deal for a decent player. Throw in a NTC to keep it cheap. But that is not their MO. It's a constant but the official date of death changes. FF a few others I had this cap crunch discussion back a couple years ago with ConnerFutureGM. He was adamant that there would be no cap crunch, that the Oilers were poised to make the run at a playoff spot(2 years ago) and would march through the SC Playoffs about this year for their first of many dynasty shots at the cup. We realize now that even a bunch of the Flames Fans were drinking this kool-aid too. Last I saw of Conner was on the Oilers board when he started a thread on what he felt the Oilers were/had done wrong...... I think that is as close to admission of wrong we will ever see from him. Does anyone else think we dodged a huge bullet by not hiring Eakins? I'm so happy Feaster had the sense to hire Hartley over him. Can you just imagine if it were reversed? this was not a bullet we dodged.. More like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I had a very similar discussion last year on these boards. I compared similar type defencemen but I don't think that defines how good a team's defence really is. I think a better way would be seeing comparing the levels of defencemen. #1 defencemen Flames - 0 Oilers - 0 #2 defencemen Flames - Bouwmeester - Bouwmeester's offence has really dropped off while in Calgary but he plays against tough competition. Presumably, he'd be a great compliment to a #1 defenceman. Bouwmeester is in his prime which means his potential is maxed. Oilers - Whitney - Whitney's play has also fallen off but more due to injury. At his best he can put up points with any defenceman in the league but readjustment after injuries has not come easy. Whitney is in his prime which means his potential is maxed. Edge - Flames due to Whitney's injury history. #3 defencemen Flames - Giordano - A well rounded defenceman. He is more offensive than defensive but neither is a weakness but he doesn't tear it up either. Giordano is in his prime which means his potential is maxed. - Wideman - Is a pure offensive defenceman. He has been a 40+ point defenceman on three seperate occasions and is a great powerplay defenceman. What he has in offence he lacks in defence. He might be closer to a #4 defenceman because he is more of a specialist and he is in his prime so his potential is maxed. Oilers - Smid - A defensive defenceman who plays a physical brand of hockey, Smid is the Oilers go to guy against the opposition's best forwards. Smid also is a good skater so he can keep up with the best offensive players in the leauge. His offence has be improving. Smid is close to his potential but he might be able to improve his offensive play within the next couple years of entering the prime age for a defenceman. - Petry - He had a breakout year last season paired with Smid. He played against the oppositions' best forwards and sill faired well. He has good size and speed and is also growing a physical aspect to his game. Petry has potential be #2 defenceman. Edge - Tie. We are likely looking at each teams go to pairing. #4 defencemen Flames - 0 Oilers - N. Schultz - A defenceman similar to Bouwmeester with less skill. What he lacks in skill he makes up for in heart. A non-physical shutdown defenceman who doesn't contribute much to offence. He is in his prime so his potential is maxed. - J. Schultz - He will likely have a limited 5 on 5 role but a lot of time on the powerplay as he is an offensive defenceman. He has the potential to have an all around game and be a #2 defenceman once he fills out his body. edge - Oilers as Flames don't have #4 defencemen. #5 defenceman Flames - Butler - Played a shutdown role with Bouwmeester last season and at times did not fair well. He has the tools to we a well rounded defenceman but he might not have the IQ to put it together. He has potential to be a #3 defenceman. Oilers - 0 edge - Flames as Oilers don't have #5 defencemen. #6 defenceman Flames - Sarich - A physical shutdown defenceman. Post prime so on decline of his potential. - Brodie - An offensive defenceman with upside to be a 2nd pairing defenceman. Oilers - 0 edge - Flames as Oilers don't have #5 defencemen. #7/extra defencemen Flames - Smith - An all-around depth defenceman in his prime. - Babchuk - An PP defenceman in his prime. Oilers - Potter - An all around depth defenceman in his prime. - Sutton - A big, physical defenceman past his prime. - Peckham - A big, physical defenceman with good physical skills but lacking in hockey IQ. Has potential to be a #4 defenceman if he can put it all together. edge - Oilers as they have more #7 defencemen and more that aren't a liability 5 on 5. Opinions will obviously vary on the defence but the defence is definitely close when comparing the two teams. Lets see this list again???? My how things change.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulstad Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I miss ConnorFutureGM. He was always good for comedic relief around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I miss ConnorFutureGM. He was always good for comedic relief around here. Yes i miss some of his meanderings too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheriforPM Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 I miss ConnorFutureGM. He was always good for comedic relief around here. Me too. Missing but not forgotten are Connor, Derftrocity (he always cracked me up) Geos because he always believed in what he said, even though he was proven wrong most of the time. I believe most of them will resurface again if the Flames hit another horrid spell again. There just isn't anything to whine about this year so they are being silent. As for Connor... There is no hope in Edmonton. He might never be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I miss....the Oilers....when they were an NHL team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 The bad news is the Oiler's are playing better the last few months, the Good news, this is the best they will be next year as well. I just don't see how this club gets any better next season. There is just not enough bubble gum to fix the holes in their dam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anie8706 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Same old story for the past ten years almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Same old story for the past ten years almost They will have their day..... ...eventually.... not sure how old I'll be then. But it'll be a different owner imho. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/hockey-lawsuit-exposes-grimy-underside-of-sports-ownership/article22646466/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anie8706 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Last time they were in the playoffs I was finishing up high school courses in Grant Macewan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Last time they were in the playoffs I was finishing up high school courses in Grant Macewan. Than how is that old, LMAO.....I was out of High school for 4 years after the Flames won there 1st cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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