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2 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
Vegas already traded 2025 to us, so they are only able it or be bottom 10 to keep it.
We have a few kicks at the can as of now.
MTL might actually want our pick this year.
Don't know.
The conditions on the 1st were they could trade it up to the 10th…basically the TDL this year and our first slides to 2026
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Just now, travel_dude said:
Poor Lindholm (LOL). Thought he found a new home in VAN.
Likely to move in a trade or as a UFA.
Toffee works in VAN because he's a high possession shooter.
Possession tends to be a problem sometimes.
Lindholm should have worked for them, but he was miscast.
Well, all we can do is wait and see…
im still hoping Conroy makes another reasonably size move before the deadline…be it Kadri, Manji or Markstrom…all Are tradable but…no need to so I figure they could gain some good returns…and we have 1 retention slot still available for this year may as well and try and capture some
assets on it.
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Just now, travel_dude said:
Vegas is "highly unlikely" to trade the 2024 1st.
They could trade the 2025 first and then we get the 2026 first.
I say unlikely because they are hosting the draft and the only reason they get to go to the podium is the 22024 fist. Sure Bettman will let them up there initially, but the love their show. Having no 1st makes that less of a show.
I agree, though 2025 is supposed to be a good and deep draft…2026 has a few intriguing guys:
Bedard’s cousin
Joe Iginla
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5 minutes ago, robrob74 said:
Rumour is Vancouver wants Tofolli instead of Guentzal now?
Mmm lindholm would be a nice fit in NJD…could free up Mercer for Markstrom? Also I like the Tofolli fit in VCR better than Guentzal just seems like a better fit…no real substance behind it just feel like a better fit
Anything is possible…?!
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29 minutes ago, cross16 said:
Looks like Toffoli is on the move
I’m wondering if that’s gonna be LVK? They are in the market for a RW he fits the bill
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6 minutes ago, redfire11 said:
Hopefully making room for Markstrom
Car has 3 on waivers…they are making room for something…heard they may also have interest in Markstrom?
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1 minute ago, sak22 said:
When Ryan Leslie does it there is usually news to drop. Vegas social media team operates in a different fashion so it's anyone's guess.
Ha ok! So it could be that they extended Hanifin
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38 minutes ago, cross16 said:
Perhaps Flames implications here?
What’s this even mean? Are they looking for something? It’s pretty vague at best lol
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13 minutes ago, sak22 said:
Yeah knowing how everythings gone that would've been the smart approach, I'm just not high on the trade market in general, I just can't remember too many trades where the return blew me away, most are just due to the acquiring team being bad and not protecting the picks like the Karlsson-SJ, Duchene-Ott, Jones-Chi. It would've just jumpstarted things and avoided other messes. But hard for owners to want to follow their most playoff dates in almost 20 years with a full on rebuild, especially after finally looking to get past Covid restrictions and half or completely empty buildings, I also think Brad had one foot out the door and preferred to give another kick at the can then start something he wouldn't finish.
I see your point but…I see it a little
differently,
most lacklustre returns were team
like Cgy, in a must trade position, LVK has been nothing but home runs, the trade that brought Hanifin and Lindholm was not a must trade situation (we’ll fix a bit but he was not the core to that deal)
this is why, I really hope, Conroy keeps moving guys….not all at once but over the next couple of years to avoid trading from a position of weakness, tends to generate much better returns…
now all that said we can’t fault Conroy, he inherited this mess and managed through it…so no judgement this year just do what needs being done, and checking box he’s done than now…
moving forward, this summer and next season will be the judge year for him to see how he manages or if he will
attempt to manage trading from a position of strength where it’s not needed to be done but done because he can and it makes sense to do it…
again, this year is just clearing the mess up, he did that well…now
to see what he has as a GM without handcuffs
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56 minutes ago, The_People1 said:
But we don't need Centers per se. We need a #1 Center specifically. Zary and Pospisil have both mentioned to coaches and management that they'd like to play Center at the NHL level. I think Zary has the wheels to succeed doing so.
Backlund and Kadri will be 2/3 Center for a couple years still. We missing that #1 player.
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suggest we do need Ctrs, both Backlund and Kadri are 35 ish or
more…Backlund is only signed for another 2 seasons…I’m of the opinion we need 3 young Ctrs…ideally a legit #1 Ctr but I’d settle for 2 high end #2 ctrs…
most of Our young Ctrs (drafted or acquired) are better on the wings (Zary Shar for example) also it’s better to have wingers that can play Ctr and have some
exp there…especially useful FO’s cause your primary Ctr can be more assertive, if they get the boot your wingers have some experience to take the draw with a better chance to win than a winger who’s never played a reasonable amount of
time at Ctr…
if we can land 3 Ctrs over the next few years with Shar I think it could great a huge strength and depth, we may not need 3 but better chance at 2 panning out that way…worse case you have far too many good Ctrs…who cares, they are always in demand can always move one to fill a need…look a the Byram trade…draft and develop Ctrs give a better return, they develop faster than D but slower than W’s however they also rerun better than wingers too…kinda the best way to re-build/tool and decrease development time…granted still risky dealing with younger players but targeting Ctrs over all else seems to be the safer and faster route
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42 minutes ago, The_People1 said:
I would definitely like to sell Weegar (and maybe both depending on the return). If we are going to be bad then be bad all the way and get some good assets back.
While I agree, I think Anderson and Weegar can wait another year, no need to rush them out the door, I think moving Manji, Kadri, Markstrom and Coleman should be the next set of priorities…also resign Kylington for 3 years…then the year after look at moving Anderson, Weegar and who knows maybe even Hubie…he may be movable by then huge maybe that one we may be stuck
with for another 7 years but…the rest should bring back some decent returns, I just think they need to chip away at it, 2-4 guys each year over the next 2 years …the burn it To the ground thing, I’m not 100% sold on, phased sell off over a 2-3 years I think is best, this gives some evaluation time each year to see how your picks and prospects are trending and then target holes that may be obvious during the transition phase…just my thoughts on it right wrong or indifferent just how I think is the best approach other may disagree
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Just now, sak22 said:
I'll still never be convince of missed opportunities in the summer. These were summer trades
- Provorov for 2023 1st (#22) and 2024 or 2025 2nd
- Durzi for 2024 2nd
- Newhook for 2023 1st (#31), 2023 2nd (#37) and Fairbrother
- Dubois for Vilardi (1 year younger than Dubois), Iafallo (older), Kupari (bust) and 2024 2nd
- Debrincat for 2024 1st (Bostons), 2024 4rh, Kubalik, Sebrango (prospect not trending awesome)
- Karlsson for conditional 2024 1st and a bunch of cap dumps
If some there were teams willing to give up good assets for a player like Noah Hanifin, they would've moved on and found someone else. The Flames didn't dictate the market, they had control sure but the above is the ballpark of the amount of control they had. Not of us believed Lindholm was a 9M/ year player or Hanifin was a 7.5/year player and that came from both the rebuild and the anti-tank crowds, but we all expect to get some of the greatest returns in recent history.
I don’t think summer was the time either, I’m in the boat that they should have moved him the year before, same
with Lindholm and a few others…
this is why I’d like to see Markstrom, Manji and Coleman also moved this year vice when they get to UFA…they are are entering the final
3rd of their contract which is the prime time to trade, it’s well enough in that the cap impact seem lower than when they first signed it, but also has enough term for team control which gets a better asset return.
now I’m not suggesting moving all
3 or even any at this TDL but over the course of the summer and leading into next years TDL is a prime time to capture more and better assets on these players…maybe even Kadri
and yes I know, they all
have some degree of trade/movement protection but, they are all on the back 1/2 of their careers (Manji may be just approaching the 1/2) but otherwise, these players may be seeking a cup or in the case of Kadri another cup…either way, I think these guys may all be willing to move to a contending team. Also they are having a great rebound year so get what you can for them…the only issue here is both Kadri and Markstrom will need some retention, we only have 1 retention available now…maybe move Markstrom first then Kadri to lower the term of retention but then the risk is Kadri’s play drops…same goes for Markstrom so it’s kind of a gamble, but I’d suggest move Markstrom with the last retention unless a team take Markstrom with no retention, maybe that’s why they wanted no retention on the NJD/ high cost for retention…I mean you could in theory move Markstrom with no retention and then move Kadri with retention…anyways, these guys all need to be considered to be move over the next year 100% to capitalize on the solid play now.
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Ok, so with all this talk about Cgy waited too long to trade off guys, I suggested last year that they move guys at TDL and a lot people
on here in the bold trade thread said that they wouldn’t get a good return because they were not pending UFA’s…
fast forward to now and the returns are not so good…in the future I hope both fans and Mgt keep that in mind. Then, there is also a few other 2000’s issues we had like Jarome in his UFA year, that was a bad return too…
Hope in the future Cgy (looking at upper mgt, not Conroy, and ownership for this issue needing to be addressed) Ownership and notes of hockey Mgt need to stop micro managing and let the GM do their job, give them flexibility to work things like 3 years if you don’t like it then get a different GM but the group above the GM need to butt out.
having a competitive young core year over year will make the post season far more often than the past 15 years has, the old way of thinking just doesn’t work, proof is in the pudding since 1989 this team has been to the finals only 1 time and TBH that was on the back of 2 guys named Kipper and Iggy. Thats a horrible track record.
speaking of…giving how recent returns have been similar to the Iggy UFA year, how long did that take to get a new core in place? All be it that re-tool was rushed, but I suspect we are looking at a similar time frame to rebuild a new young core…granted we do have more picks and prospects that potentially have a higher ceiling than what we got from the 2o13 year down/post Iginla era but currently those picks are looking to be much lower and well out of the top 10 so looking at the balance of the over all good and bad I’d suggest we are looking at 3-4 years to see a new young core..hopefully this time, they don’t bring in a bunch of vets by trading away picks and prospects.
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5 minutes ago, jjgallow said:
Joe Iginla
And maybe Tij Iginla this year?
it would be the first time we did the brother thing…it’s worked out for other teams over the years…and with the Iginla pedigree why not try it in Cgy?
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Just now, cross16 said:
Conroy said getting a first round pick was important to them. If that was the primary ask then it's not hard to see why Vegas won out.
Boston has no first this year and no 2nds for 2 years.
Tampa has no first for the next 2 years
Florida no first for the next 2 years
Could be questioned if that's the right approach but not hard to see why Vegas came out on top here.
Also, they are not rebuilding but first rounders are a priority? We are in a fill
rebuild just not a total fire sale rebuild, a phased but UFA forced rebuild
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6 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
Derek Englund 2.0
Hard to say, looking as some his highlights, and if he recovers from the injuries, he could blossom and rival Hanifin next year…oddly he’d be the sam age next year as Hanifin is this year…long shot but highlights show he could be
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Just now, phoenix66 said:
This Shoujd upset a few people... Seen more than once that Flames are trying to get in on Colton Parayko. 😁😁
Hopefully this is just a troll…hard no on Parayko too old Now for the team direction makes no sense
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Well crapy return, got pinched by Hanifin and his agent but at least it’s more than what we got for Gaudreau…
and Conroy did get some
draft capital, and some young guys…prospects seem hard to pry way this year, bad economy seems
to filter into hockey too, everyone want something for nothing, least we got a little something
and as someone else Said, now we are in a different situation where we can trade but don’t need to trade…Also we have cleared out a fair bit of BT’s hand on this team less Kadri, Hubie and Weegar…not all of which we should be looking to unload or can but there is room for Conroy to put his stamp on this team…a few steps back…if he lands a solid D in the draft and Tij I think things will look good and if a few of the prospects we picked up pan out Eve if only 1 then we could see a god team in 2-3 years
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1 minute ago, cross16 said:
So it's not a first rounder this year. It's 2025 unless Vegas trades it this year, then it's 2026
Yeah.. just not good all around here for Calgary
Meh, 2025 first is good, projected to be a good draft…
2026 has beard’s cousin in it, could be a good draft and maybe LVK has a win year…
either way, still a first round pick.
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1 minute ago, cross16 said:
1st rounder might not be this year
Conditions are the 3rd upgrades to a 2nd if LVK win a playoff round
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1 minute ago, phoenix66 said:
Somebody has to play here while the picks go in the pipeline. near ready players are like draft picks that have already have time to ripen a little
This is true, has endstrom been in there then we would have had a good return, this is junk…we’ll bare minimum to be honest with a lot more
hope on the picks…endstrom would have been ideal
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Just now, phoenix66 said:
I don't think we have any left.. Toffoli was another..
Good so Hanifin was the last
of his players…good!
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1 minute ago, cross16 said:
Only slightly below what I thought Hanifin would net. Just have to look at the Hampus Lindholm deal.
i know they wanted to retain him but I think it’s very far to question why they waited this long to get that type of return. Didn’t feel that way with the other assets but I think this is one where the approach is questionable.
No the Hanifin camp “i
want to go to TB” is the cause of the the low Return…if I’m Conroy I deal
with no player tip Bris. As the agent ever again…this agent keeps screwing us!
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Just now, JTech780 said:
Dreger saying to expect an extension for Miromanov.
Oh wow!
sarcasm intended lol
Realistic (and unrealistic) Trades - 2024 Edition
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I can see that being a good fit for him too…not sure what NJD would
want/get back in return?