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Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
I agree with both. Only because, if you expect them to be 2-way after you drafted them as an offense 1st/only guy, then develop their game slowly and in the AHL. THERE you can live with mistakes more so giving a kid leeway in the AHL and just making sure they're responsible on the back check. But then again, I am also a firm believer that a great offense is a great defense. So I agree with possession there. If you have possession in the offensive zone, that's a better defence. I get tired of being in our own zone too long, which has been the case the last few years. Of course you require possession first and so on. Also, put players like Baertschi on a line with someone who is great on the back check and good defensively. There are ways to work around deficiencies. But I say live with the mistakes in the AHL. It is a developmental league. Hire more development coaches so there can be more 1-1 teaching going on. -
Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
The thing I think we did wrong with Baertschi was yo-yoing him up and down and not providing him stability. Ward talked about it and I am just going off memory, that he said Baertschi is immature for his age. At the time, he didn't mean it as a slight, but just that kids mature at different rates. What needed to be done was to have him grow in one spot and somewhere along the line of his development, I feel like the organization botched the communication. Bringing kids up and down works for some and not others. We botched that part of his development not taking into account his maturity and understanding how to handle him. I am not upset about drafting him. But I think you gotta keep a prospect down in the AHL and keep open lines of communication. We can't have our prospects ousted in the media no matter what. How can so many things be kept internal but to talk about a kid the way Burke did was not? Hopefully we learned from the Baertschi debacle and can grow from it. The first was giving him the keys to the stadium when he was just in JR. We have to draft players like him, but develop their 2-way game, and not let them in the league until they have it. The AHL should be the place to do that. Let them hone their game there. -
I didn't like what I saw from Ortio aside from a few good games over the last two years prior to this season. I never really expected him to make it. His style is unorthodox and leaves his top corners open. Players at the NHL are too good to not expose that, and did. Also, he regressed really fast after having one good game, following it up with stinkers.
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Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
I agree with this because we can't dismiss the organizations role in mismanaging him if we are talking about how we develop players. I am not taking any of the blame away from Baertschi. He played as big a role as the organization in this. I understand it's what the organization who determines how development occurs. But regardless, Baertschi just scored the game winner last night and quite possible is going to get 20+ goals. Those goals would've been nice for the flames who are having trouble with secondary scoring. I just looked at his stats. He looks more on pace for 15 goals, not as good as I thought, but nevertheless, they're taking a different approach than we did. Baertschi just wasn't ready and the team ousted him publicly for it... -
Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
I think they failed each other. It is a business and everyone is different. Tough love doesn't work for everyone. That's where they handled him wrong. Some players get motivated in other ways. Yes Baertschi was entitled, but the organization also needed to handle him differently. I compare it to they way they handled Monahan who the coddled and was BH's secret love child. I get that they needed to keep him up or send back to the OHL, but they lived with a lot of mistakes with Monahan and extremely sheltered him, even though I thought Monahan looked really tentative in his game. I am saying they could've done that with Baertschi too. I heard Baertschi tried to put in time but was sent down, brought up and sent down. I just think the Flames mishandled him as much as he didn't follow through on his end, which is part of development. The Flames failed to develop Baertschi. -
Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
How can you not? You have to use Baertschi in the conversation because he was a part of the organization for his whole ELC, aside from the TDL when we traded him. You can't dismiss it just because the Canucks did similar things with him. The one thing they didn't do was publicly bad mouth the kid. Plus, after awhile they sheltered him and you prove that point with the minutes he is getting. They're living with his game which we never did. They're getting rewarded now, playing him with Horvat, after sheltering them both. In a sense, the Canucks are therefore developing Baertschi better than we ever did... -
Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
But we didn't develop Gaudreau, Boston College did. Giordano developed in Calgary and in Europe. Brodie is the only one our system has developed out of those you mention. I think the biggest problem is developing a player or two for the top 6. We didn't develop Gaudreau. I think that is the main focus of this thread because we are seeing a lack of high end talent in our system that wasn't a top 10 pick. -
Calgary Flames Drafting and Development: Your Analysis
robrob1974 replied to rickross's topic in Flames Talk
Brodie, Bouma, Backlund, Giordano, are all good players that have gone through the system. We almost ruined Backlund. Bouma is what he is and Brodie is a god send. Gio was an undrafted sign but developed with the main club and a bit in Europe. Gaudreau was a great pick. The rest are unknowns as to what they turn out to be. We were horrible. Now we are nearing average at development. Other than the high picks, Gaudreau and Brodie recently are the only gems. -
I thought he had it in him but was never given the chance. Early this year I soured on him due to the poor start.
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i hear you, and not sure speculation does us any good. Funny how we all probably like the Flames as much as each other, but think differently.
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I remember the day I heard about the deal. I remember thinking, "Eeeeeeeesh, this might come back to haunt the Flames in the long run..." But then, I didn't know much about Smid at the time. All I could say to myself was, alright...
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Do we know exactly what we have in Monahan and Gaudreau? How do they compare to Taylor Hall? We know we have potential. The upside looks great! We also see them getting shut down now that the games are getting harder. Although they will go on other streaks this year. But I wonder if we are going to make the same mistake of overpaying out of an entry-level contract. Johnny is dynamic. Monahan is a two way C. I think they're worth at least 6M but I also worry about overpaying. You say the oiler guys are average, so I just wonder how ours compare.
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It's exactly what I was thinking and it kind of scared me.
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Off the current 23 man roster we have 10 of our own drafted players. The rest were brought in by signing or through trades. Granlund and Jooris are the only ones who aren't full time NHLers at the moment.
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Yes, he I remember him winning those.
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Didn't Hartley play Hiller twice? The first of the two was while he was recovering from the flu? Or I suppose both would have been.
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The Official Calgary Flames "New Arena" thread
robrob1974 replied to DirtyDeeds's topic in Flames Talk
Just because Bettman was Bettman doesn't make his comments right. Bettman talked about process with other potential owners (Ballsillie) trying to get into the league, then turns around and doesn't respect the process the city is practicing at the moment. The city hasn't made a decision yet on the proposal, and the city isn't saying no to an arena. It's saying the finances within the proposal sounds off and seems to be pointing on more money from the city that the city is willing to pay. Maybe the city will help, but under a different area and different financials. -
The Official Calgary Flames "New Arena" thread
robrob1974 replied to DirtyDeeds's topic in Flames Talk
I didn't see the twitter quotes. But it sounds like Betman threw some shotty punches at the city. IF you wanna be a good city, you better have a good arena. I don't get why the actual league can't help fund these arenas. They probably get a deal on the land that they use in the first place. Also, they can make more money off of the tickets from other shows/bands/sports anyway. It sounds like a school yard bully came to the park and bullied your mayor. Batman sounded like an entitled dick. -
The thing about last year is, we never found out whether he was able to bounce back from the game he got blown out. Although, his play was really good for 2 or 3 games, then regress for a game and then he would get blown out.
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Ramo used to be be the best goalie not in the NHL. He should have the stamina to play as a starter. He had pretty good number in the KHL if I remember correctly? Not saying he is our goalie of the future, but hoping that his changes helps him. I was high on him the last two years and hoped he could be that guy. But I soured on him this season. Glad he's playing better now though.
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They talked about his play about 5 games ago on a broadcast and said that the Goalie Coach has him playing deeper in his net, saying it took Ramo awhile to adjust and trust it. Now he doesn't have to rely on his athleticism as much.
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Ramo was not the reason we beat the Canucks in the first round. Hiller played all of the games until after game 1 of the Ducks series. He was only good enough to win us one game against them. I was a fan of Ramo, but he still didn't have starter numbers and starter number of games last year that equates to nearly 4m/year. For whomever said Jones got a lot, he was getting paid for potential and I don't think he deserved 3 yet because he has only ever been a backup in LA who drives possession every year. He hadn't earned it yet.
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If we were going to re-sign Ramo this past summer, I was expecting it to be around 2.5. It is why I worry about Treliving's contracts. A lot are over priced by about a million.
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I feel Ramo is over paid. He deserves 2-2.5/year. He is not elite. Maybe they add performance bonuses? An extra Mil if he reaches them? 4 is way too much for an average goalie.
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They also recently talked about how coaches didn't like Ortio's work ethic during Camp, which is possibly why Hartley and Co never gave him any opportunity other than the little bit he got. For some reason, I've never been sold on Ortio but hoped that he could get there. He had a good stretch, even Scrivens had one of those with the Oilers. If he's in fact done with Calgary, does he get buried in the AHL and we take up Ortio? or what happens? or we just ride Ramo out for the rest of the year?
