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6 minutes ago, MAC331 said:
I think they would and another to consider may be one of ANA's own UFA's Holzer another RHSD. We need to look around us not only ANA has size, talent and nastiness. Our arch-rival EDM has added size, talent and nastiness. LA has always had it. VAN and ARZ are rebuilding up tp to it. SJS has always had size, talent and nastiness. We cannot afford to be the nice kids on the block with some talent.
As we are now, I think we are close. We can play with any team in the league. When we lose Stone, that changes. Our biggest need is in net and then on D. We have to keep in mind those teams, especially since they're in our division. You can't win cups if you can't beat teams in our own division.
Youre right about bout the other team's grit factor.
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3 minutes ago, cross16 said:
I think these things need to be looked at for what they are, lottery tickets. The vast majority of college and international free agents don't pan out so whoever you sign the likelihood is they won't be a meaningful nhler and that's tire across the board in the NHL. There isn't a team out there that does into and college FA better than another one it's a crapshoot. Bring in some depth and competition in spots you need it and you hope for the best, anything more is found money.
Ya, it is the Panarins and Zeitsev (Toronto player/spelling) that I wish we could find.
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2 hours ago, MAC331 said:
I agree robrob in that we are not heads and shoulders above EDM's talent level with Talbot providing an advantage. This is an important offseason for us IMO to get our goal selections right and add some key defensemen. I would like to see 3 defensemen added that have some edge to them to go with the 3 we have now.
Could we get Brett Pesce from CAR for Stajan C and Mangiapane LW ? they need some young offensive threats.
Could we get Dalton Prout from NJD for Bouma LW and Shinkaruk LW ?
This would go a long way to shore up our RSD situation.
I don't really know those players but if they do the trick!
See, that one game we were up 4-1 we were one hit away from knocking a few guys out of the game. When we stopped playing, out mental toughness shown through.
GG needed to send an energy line out to change momentum. Plus I think our D needed to be tougher.
I dont one think I would re-sign Engelland unless we knew he was playing injured.
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6 hours ago, Flyerfan52 said:
Nope. For finally figuring out that a decade of sucking was useless until they landed 1 worth being taken 1st.
One thing that these playoffs and most good teams are showing us is the importance of a good or poor D. When you're developing a team, you need a good D, I mean, the Avs not developing their D, nor the Oil.
we are a tad ahead of the Oil, just cause the D is slight. They have better goaltending and our start put us behind.
We are not leaps and bounds ahead, and could be even.
But regardless, tough D is important. If we want to compete, we have to develop the d further.
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1 hour ago, jjgallow said:
True, but doesn't that arguement get old after a while? And shouldn't it be used in the other direction? seems misplaced.
None of us have ever seen Ruttu play in the NHL. LIkely none of us have seen him play more than a few minutes. So why would that arguement be used to determine who can and who cannot talk about him?
More importantly, why would we consider a guy we know so little about in the NHL, when he has Not really stood out in a far inferior league?
Who I have seen lots of, is Cervenka, Pribyl, and Ramo. And all of them had better stats and more favourable age than Ruttu before they came here.
I saw Kiprusoff play once when he was with the sharks and I thought, we need this goalie. Scouting would be an amazing job, but one offs probably aren't enough to go by. I remember when we traded for him, I was excited.
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4 hours ago, phoenix66 said:
There will never be a guarantee, like i said before we could get Price and he could fall on his face. We both want the same thing , It wont be the end of the world if they resign Elliot, but if they do , they better have the one behind him that can truly push him. I'm just contending that we need an upgrade at the #1, with at least history to back up why we made that decision to do so . If we get a Fleury (type) we can solidify him with Johnson and keep that path open for our system tenders to have the ability to steal the job
One playoff loss was not due to goaltending but two games were all goaltending, and one was a mix of both. So I would say you're right, but in those two games that were due to goaltending,
we really should have been at least tied 2-2 if goaltending was better.
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1 hour ago, cross16 said:
there would be no trade in place for Vegas to trade for Fleury outside the expansion draft. Any deal involved with Fleury would be a deal for his selection in the expansion draft.
even if Fleury doesn't want to play for Vegas here is another scenario. Pittsburgh sends Vegas a 3rd rounder to ensure they select Fleury. Vegas selects Fleury and then turns around and trades him to the Flames for a first rounder. Everyone gets what they want and vegas gets 2 assets plus can still claim various other goalies some that would fit better long term. Values could be off but this is for scenario purposes only.
There are so many different ways that things can go down and multiple scenarios in play.
Why wouldn't the pens jus trade him to the Flames for the 1st then and get more for Fleury? Is it because they don't want to lose someone else?
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On 2017-05-12 at 10:10 AM, travel_dude said:
First bolded item - if he drags the team to another cup, then his price goes up. I don't think his value is higher, but PITSS would believe so. If they can't find a team on the list to take him, they will have to trade Murray. That price would be so much higher.
Second bolded item - obviously, since they have at minimum 48 hours if they go to the finals and take it past 6 games.
Third bolded item - that's like saying Boston would trade with EDM after Chia was signed there. Can't recall any trades there.
Not picking on you, but I could only see Buffalo trading Lehner if they feel his injury history is too risky. He's a perfect goalie for them otherwise; played well on a bad team.
People are making it sound like their roster/exposure list isn't already done. They will have that decision made already and if they really want both, maybe they trade LV another player or pick so they don't take one. I personally think the decision has been made. But that comes down to, a future goalie or a goalie for now.
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14 hours ago, manu11 said:
He played the last 2,5 seasons in the SHL against men, which is a pretty strong league in Europe. It kind of depends how fast he adapts to the North American game. I could see him beeing ready for the 18/19 season. But that doesn't mean he couldn't surprise in the upcomig preseason.
But how close are the two leagues in comparison? Is the AHL comparable?
I dont know the European leagues very well. They probably helped Matthews a lot, playing against men. I see what you're saying.
i really would love to see some good prospects come out. Being an older Flames fan, I've seen how the scouting and development had been bad, so it would be refreshing to have players consistently stream through.
My bet bet is a year or two away, and I haven't seen him either, so I don't know.
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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:
Get tired typng his name. Adam Ollas-Mattsson. Too many consonants.
How close do we think he is to being ready? Or are the suggestions for years down the line? or this year? Wouldn't he need a few years in the AHL?
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3 hours ago, travel_dude said:
Monahan struggles when JH gets boxed out and can't make sublime passes. JH struggles when the line can't finish. Overall, this season it took a long time for the pair to get going. Have to think back to their early RW, but it was a blur of Brouwer, Chaisson and a couple others.
It's hard to look at the stats for the last three years and say they don't click. I never expected Monahan to be a 80 point guy. Yet, he manages to score 31, 27, and 27 goals once JH arrived. JH missed 10 games and still lead the team. First season he started tearing it up when he was played with Hudler and Monahan. Sounds like that is a pairing that works to me.
I tend to agree with your criticism (as such) of the defense, but don't think there is an easy fix. If we could swing it, I would bring in Stone and Franson. Promote AOM. Let Stone and Franson's play determine where they best fit. AOM provides a shutdown guy that is big. Or just Stone or Franson and bring in Andersson and AOM/Kulak/Healey. If they do sign Stone, it had better be for less than $4m current salary. Same for Franson; has to be close to $3.3m.
Who is AOM?
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11 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
I think you are listening too much to Vancouver media.
Miller is at best a one year placeholder. That is betting 100% on Gillies being ready in one year to go from AHL goalie or NHL backup to starter. Gillies has one year of pro experience. If BT signed him and he was Hiller quality, he would be fired.
We are done with Bishop so let's call NY and tell them how good King Henrik was, and BTW would you like something to help you out of your expansion problems?
Kreider and Raanta for 1st rounder, McDonald and Shinkaruk. Plus rights for Erixon.
That might not be a bad idea though. Have miller on a two year. He starts next year and then they play halfers the year later.
Hahahaha!
i just read the 2nd paragraph.
Awesome.
I dont see miller being that that bad and I see him as better than Elliott.
Although, having the revolving door of goalies isn't fun, so maybe we need a longer term fix on a four year deal. An old goalie doesn't really cut it and it's gambling, yet again, plus hoping a young one is ready in a year or two.
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I will get totally shot down, but Ryan Miller if a UFA.
Maybe we can sign a 1-2year deal. He was lights out in van and kept them in most games. Although health could be an issue. He needs good rest so a quality backup would be needed. How much would he need.? I think he's better than Elliott.
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5 hours ago, conundrumed said:
Would you rather: Engelland and Stone @ $5.5 per.
One $4.5 guy...honest question.
I was referring to the bonehead trades that were made, like the Hamilton deal.
To answer:
It depends on how much of an impact the one guy gives you. If he's a top pair, yes. Is Stone a good enough 2nd pair? We already have Giordano and Hamilton so would I want a McDonagh as a 2nd pair? He would be something we'd lack but cost too much. He also has a lot of playoff experience.
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10 minutes ago, jjgallow said:
Anything is possible, take what you can get lol.
There are good deals to be had, some so good that they would never make our "trade suggestion" thread....they would be laughed out.
A great GM, finds those trades. i will admit....our Hamilton trade (while not that good), was close to that good.
Its kind of like the Ryan McDonagh trade. Giving up a lot too early.
i thought I would bring it back to a D thread ?
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5 minutes ago, conundrumed said:
Not sure anyone will get that one, ever, lol.
Poile must have been going, "I'll believe it when he gets here", lol.
Haha! Ya. I couldn't when it came out! It hurt me inside and I am not a Caps fan.
Like, why not us??????
I would've given even more!
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59 minutes ago, conundrumed said:
They get "face of the franchise" they lack, we get large D and RW boost.
AFTER the expansion draft though, lol.
I am in no way desperate to make this trade, so if I have to add, I laugh it off and move along.
Gaudreau's marketability alone means I don't have to trade him.
I'm not bargaining on JG, here's what I want, period.
I have no reason to trade him, so it better be very beneficial to my side.
A solid top 2D potential, top 2 potential RW in the right age range, or don't even bother calling.
This is is why I don't get how the Caps could trade Forsberg for Erat. WTF!!!!
Could we have had Forberg for Glencross? Plus?
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3 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
Maybe, but his contract history hasn't been close to that. Ever. As a UFA, he would be lucky to get that, in a sellers market. It's not one and he didn;t do enough to warrant a big increase.
I think it's hard to evaluate this one. So I will have to wait and see. I think along the same lines as you, but for some reason, I just think that even 3.5m isn't really that big of an increase, and I think he's at least deserved a bit of an increase. It's not quite bonafide starter money, but it's better than back-up. And another thing for me is just the fact it's 2017 now, thinking of inflation.
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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:
Howard
I doubt the price would be similar.
Cost to get him n trade.
$4m+ even with retained salary.
Reliable backup to mitigate health risk.
Ellott
Cost to re-sign 3rd in 2018
Salary likely less than $3m
Reliable backup for a 1b situation.
I think you're way under the cost for Elliott. I don't think less than 3. I'd say somewhere mid to closer to 4.
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1 hour ago, manu11 said:
If Engelland decides to move on and we want to replace him with a player of similar style, I think Roman Polak could also be a decent fit.
What would Polak cost? Wouldn't it be a bit more than Engelland?
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Just now, phoenix66 said:
whereever he signs, I see 3.7, 3.8 2- 3 years
and please , tell me you mean as comparables, and not that you want one of Dallas's goalies?? lol
DEFINITELY comparable. lol. I am thinking Elliott is at least as good or better than they, which is why he COULD be paid more than we think?
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Just now, MAC331 said:
I can't see BT doing 4M and the goalie market is full of options.
I don't know... We talk about contracts and what they're worth. It feels like 4 to me for some reason. I don't want to do 4 either. 4M is starter money? He's pretty much a starter, and not a back up. Maybe 3.5... I don't think any lower. I also look at Dallas' goalies, or Halak...
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1 minute ago, MAC331 said:
Ramo was just under 4M but he was over paid IMO and I don't that mistake being made again.
I think he was overpaid as well. But I also think that Elliott is a better goalie, which was why I was using that is the measuring stick. I am thinking Elliott will get around 4.
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Just now, MAC331 said:
It was ANA that did NOT take their foot off the gas and that my friend is the maturity factor we do not have yet. As BT has said the team will get better from within and I agree with him. We have a very good talented core, give them a few years experience and some better complimentary player watch out for us.
It may be better just to have Gilles do a full year in Stockton and use Rittich as our call up option.
I don't think DET buys out Howard, they will be making some cap room by moving out Mrazek's 4M.
Hard to say with Lehner, I think he rubbed some people there the wrong way so we will see. He would be one to keep an eye on for sure.
I am talking about how we controlled one or two of those games. Then we held back and tried to protect a lead, thus giving them the momentum. Teams should never do that because it kills all of the momentum built up, and it's so hard to get it back. We could not get it back. I think we controlled most of the series, but I agree, we will be really good in the near future.
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Oh crazy idea! Backlund is a guy who is developed and plays a position of need for them. After Spezza retires, who do they have to step up? It could be a perfect trade for them if they're looking for someone in the age range their core is in, with Benn and Seguin, Backs would be a perfect 2/3 line guy for them.
Would ee we need to send more for the 3rd overall?
Would that pick step into a Dallas lineup and contribute right away as Backlund would?