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30 minutes ago, phoenix66 said:
For me right now , its coming down to , i do like our tandem better than last year.. were it not for the Knee Injury , I think Ramo played as good as Elliot . Cant put my finger on it but for some reason yes, Elliot adapts to the team in front of him more.. Johnson was used to a bad team in front of him in Buffalo, hence hes been stealing games here. Hes a better fit.
Personally , I dont see Elliot being resigned, Johnson yes.. and wont be too surprised to see Rittich get a look real soon.. i think he may be the next to arrive as a backup . hes been a Great surprise .
It's not that I don't like Elliott, I want him to play well, and he has from time to time, but not always looking pretty while doing it.
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25 minutes ago, DirtyDeeds said:
This year:
Last year:
I have to disagree a bit on the team playing 1000x better.. After 41 games last year and comparing to this year they are almost identical. Goaltending has made little difference but has won two more games compared to last year too. Maybe last year it is because Ramo went on that nice run last year to bring us in contention but....
I do think that the team has finally learned the system and feels comfortable playing with either goalie this year, although the team struggled early on with both the system and playing in front of Elliott.
We have 2 more wins than last year after 41 games.
We have scored 1 more goal and allowed 13 less goals. Is that goaltending or D? or both?
We have 6 less shots and allowed 25 less shots against. This is the team not goaltending.
We have 10 more PP goals and allowed 9 more PP opportunities..
The glaring difference is we have been shorthanded 57 more times. Our goalies are not taking the penalties so....
This years team is better on faceoffs by 1.2 %
Well, at least this year we have reason to believe the play is sustainable. At least I hope it is. Like you said, the system.
I just feel like Elliott still hasn't been very comfortable in net yet. The coaches are giving him easier games to try get him into a groove. It's the NHL and no game is supposed to be easy, but his opponents, minus the Canucks, have been less than stellar.
I like how the team team is playing for the most part. PP and PK are coming around. It is a huge jump considering we were last about a month ago.
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See that's where my theories on team play and goaltending differ. Last year, The team played like crap more than not, but the fans believed the goalies could and should prop them enough to win. While now, the team is playing a 1000 x better but now this goalie doesn't give very much comfort in how he plays but I gotta give him a break? Maybe I am being too harsh, but even when he wins I am not sure he is going to make the saves. Until he puts it together consistently, I can't change my mind.
Or he just isn't starter material and St. Louis already knew that. He had a team that played next to perfect D to prop his numbers.
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I would even say that Elliott has been just as bad as our goaltending was last year. This year, we are playing better as a team overall. Last year he would have lost just as much as the goalies we had.
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4 hours ago, travel_dude said:
Johnson was coming off a break. Over the long haul, Elliott is superior.
Both have had recent bad games, but are we expecting more out of Elliott because he was supposed to be #1? Bad bounces for the previous game against the Nucks. Johnson was better down low tonight. Let's see where we are after the end of January. Both goalies will face tough teams. Elliott has a history of coming up big.
Just because Johnson had a losing streak doesn't mean he was playing poorly. His opponents were more difficult as well. Elliot had a winning streak against bottom feeders and didn't even look good doing it.
I don't know I still think Elliot has to find a way to win that Vancouver game.
I hope he can turn it around, not much has suggested his game has improved this year. I take the bottom feeder games with a grain of salt.
So far this season, nothing in Elliott's game has proven he is the better goalie or superior.
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12 minutes ago, CheersMan said:
Ramo’s fate was sealed with the injury, Flames had to look elsewhere. I think Ortio was much weaker than Elliott up high. Interesting comparison with similar games played though.
I feel bad though, as I really wanted Elliott to do well.
In terms of his style of play, has he always crouched as low as he has? I know it makes him looked dialled in, but I just feel like he's not all there at the moment.
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Anyone else feel like Elliot looks a lot like Ortio?
I wonder if Ramo would be as good or better than Elliot?
I know the numbers do not say that is the case. And I guess he didn't even make the Leafs.
Is it just that Elliott isn't confident? I feel like he leaves the upper net open too much. Which was what I didn't like about Ortio.
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I think I can get on a lot of what the article is saying. I always had a problem with the shots for against argument most anal-ytics cling to.
Russell is a decent D. When paired with Wideman, what do you expect? Plus, remember the first year he was in Calgary? We suffered really bad without him and then he came off injury and there was a noticeable difference. I think he is tops, a #4 D guy. But he'd be a great #5... but he will probably get paid as a #4...
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15 minutes ago, JTech780 said:
So watching the WJC two players have really stood out to me for Team Canada, Matt Barzal and Tyson Jost. The reason I mention this is because they are both players we could have had in our system. Before I go any further I want to say that I am extremely happy to have Hamilton and Tkachuk on this team and wouldn't do anything differently.
That being said if we didn't trade for Hamilton we could have drafted Barzal and if we didn't draft Tkachuk, Jost would have been my next pick.
I just like thinking about the idea of having those two dynamic skill players with speed. Tkachuk does so many good things, fills so many needs on this team, but he does lack a bit of that dynamic quality that I see in a guy like Tyson Jost. Barzal is dominating the tournament so far and is looking like an absolute steal at 16th overall.
Again I wouldn't do anything different and happy to have the players we have, just dreaming about that skill that could have been.
I was and have been worried about the player(s) we possibly gave up by trading our 1st for Hamilton in a deep draft. If we could shore up another top4 D for next season, I think I will be happy with what we have.
Not having Hamilton makes me wonder where we'd be on D.
I guess I am coming around in this one.
How many dynamic players do we need? We have Johnny. Hopefully Mangiapane can develop into a complimentary dynamic player for lower lines.
Right now i like how our Top6 forward pairs are shaping up.
Gaudreau
Monahan
Bennett
Tkackuk
Pair the wings with a center.
It is a matter of getting some speedy skilled enough wingers to compliment those lines.
But I, like you , want another threat.
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Is it time for the Flames to start Elliott? Has Johnson fell from grace? Or is it the team play? Again?
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I think Johnson is a starter and this not not just a hot streak. Nothing in his game tells me it's a fluke or a streak. He goes about every play the same way, makes a 1st save, controls the rebound, and that's what you ask of a good quality starter.
When you've been a career backup, what games do you usually have to play? The 2nd game of back-to-backs. Games where the team is tired. Plus the rthym is usually off, and the team doesn't know what to expect or have chemistry. Communication with the players is important.
We are witnessing a goalie coming into his own.
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21 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
I know you are stuck on the idea that the Flames do not know how to develop goalies. Probably nobody will make any arguments that convince you otherwise.
If Rittich's age means he should be better able to start right now, then why rush Gillies? Gillies came back from injury to a goalie on a hot streak. If you are the Flames do you ignore a goalie you scouted and signed because you have another one that you drafted? I thought that was what made the Flames bad in the past. Ignoring talent they have and letting them walk or not playing them.
We have two NHL goalies this season. Johnson was pegged to be the backup but is on a hot streak. Elliott will or should get back into form, so why would an NHL club decide to bring in an AHL backup or starter while they are still developing? Doesn't make any sense. Every team has goalies in the AHL. None of them are getting called up unless its an injury replacement or the current goalies are crap. Gillies has 19 games of AHL experience and 3 years of college, where he played a much shorter than AHL schedule.
It wouldn't surprise me if Gillies takes two more years to develop. Maybe one or two more year in the AHL. He could come up when he is 24 or 25. Is that considered a failure or good developing?
Is it that we have bad developing or bad drafting of goaltenders?
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1 hour ago, AlbertaBoy12 said:
Lots of goaltenders start to come into their prime in their late 20s, into their 30s ala kipper, tim thomas etc. Yes hes on a hot streak right now, I dont think anyone is expecting him to stay at a .949 pct thats he been at but hes not going to drop down to .880 suddenly he will probably stay at .920 to 9.25 on avg whch is really good. The odds are good that he will be a decent goalie, even a backup into next year.
We arent buying high and selling low, there is plenty of evidence that elliot will turn it around by trade deadline and then we can sell him off. If he doesnt turn it around oh well the flames will have a choice to make, as they wont be able to trade him if he doesnt turn it around, at least I really doubt it. Its not blockading development, neither gilles or rittich were NHL ready this year, and they may not be NHL ready next year. There is no reason to go into the season with spots open for rookies, thats how you end up like edmonton did for 10 years. The competition is there, and if the flames roll into next year with two vets in net again, well gilles or rittich better earn his spot. The NHL is not a development league, stop acting like its a personal affront to the goalies in the AAA that we dont have a spot for them.
They are calling an ex Oiler "probably" the 2nd best goalie in the NHL.
I know he didn't become that, they did almost ruin him. The spot was there, but they also had so many other holes in their game that there was no way Dubynk would look good. Talbot is doing ok, but wouldn't they want dubynk now?
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6 hours ago, travel_dude said:
As much as the team has confidence in the goalie right now, they can't just run him until he starts losing. They need to use both goalies and have them both playing at a top level. As well, they have a total of 82 games to manage, so we need to make sure that we have two goalie capable of playing as a #1, in case there are any injuries.
Exactly. I was just defending Johnson's play. I know that he had a lot to prove still, but he is playing really well, close to a #1....
i want to get Elliott going as well. I hope to get an even more intense battles between the pipes.
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8 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:
There was a time when goalies rarely came into their own until about age 30. These days however some pundits feel they are over the hill at age 30. I am old school who thinks new school is usually more hype than substance.
I think it's just too hard to judge. Even though the game has changed a lot recently, and in the time of Roloson. But he came into his own in his 30s and played competitively until he was 40. Even if Johnson is turning into a #1 - not saying he is, but it's possible - he could still have a lot in him... If it is only 6 or 7 years, that's still a pretty decent amount of time to be a starter, around 300 games.
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Can't deny that he has been playing well for the past two seasons and it is possible that Johnson has just figured it out.
Johnson is very calm and composed and uses his size to his advantage. He barely gets rattled and rarely gets out of position.
For goalies it takes a little longer and the fact that he only played 115 games in the NHL tells me he had to pay his dues and figure out the game in the AHL.
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6 hours ago, travel_dude said:
If we are going to play Wideman and sit one of Jokipakka or Kulak, why not at least try something constructive:
Gio-Hamilton
Brodie-Wideman
Kulak-Engelland
Haven't seen anything great out of Brodie-Engelland. Kulak-Engelland was one of our better pairs.
Gio-Wideman was fine last few games, but not if you are forced to play Brodie-Engelland.
For some reason, Gio-Hamilton hasn't had much traction from the coaches. I guess they are experts.
That probably does look a bit better. Gio seems to need Brodie though.
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3 hours ago, YounGuns said:
You gotta feel for Elliot. It seems each game the 1st or 2nd shot against goes in. But you look at all those early goals and you can rarely fault the goalie. Look at the first three goals last night (didn't see the 4th), none of them were Elliot's fault. We carry the play then give up A++ chances and all of a sudden we're chasing the game, then we get sloppy and give up more A++ chances. Elliot's gotta be completely deflated, but you really can't put the losses on him. All this talk coming into the season of being a "connected" group...we've yet to see it consistently.
This is what I've been saying the last two years in here. We needed better goaltending. The goalie's we have are better than what we've had the last 3 seasons. It is the team D that needs to improve now.
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Play Giordano Hamilton on the PP.
I just think everyone is trying to do too much now and it might be time to preach a simplified approach. Or are we going to get to game 55 and realize we are out and then all the weight is off the shoulders and just play? Then there is another false sense of improved play and only 10 points out of a playoff spot.
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17 minutes ago, cross16 said:
Klimchuk has very underrated hockey sense. His hockey IQ is very high, probaby the highest of the Flames prosepct pool to be honest IMO.
I don't thikn what he is doing is that much of a suprised. Klimchuk has great physical tools and a great hockey IQ, he just hasn't been healthy to put a full work into a summer to get his strength up to a point he could contribute. He did that this summer.
And that's what I mean, to get into openings and positions is a skill. Getting into passing lanes is hockey sense.
It is good to see. I was worried he wasn't progressing.
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Not saying Klimchuk will keep it up, but scoring opportunities are also products of the linemates and what scoring position he gets himself into. It probably means he is getting into good places.
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42 minutes ago, MAC331 said:
I agree robrob, everyone is way over-thinking and trying to make the perfect setup pass and shot, just shoot the damn puck. We have some muscle for down low and in front of the net and they should utilize this more.
Until they change the way they pass, we can't tell what is going on. I think they have to preach some simplified pp.
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1 hour ago, Flyerfan52 said:
That was a strange aberation as Montoya is usually 1 of the best backups in the league. Even now he's 3-1-1.
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Did any one see Max Domi drop Kessler with 1 punch?
I didn't see the game but caught that @ the SN site.
Kessler is an ex-Canuck but I still don't like that (.)
I like what you did there! But I think he's a bit of a bigger ( . )
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8 hours ago, travel_dude said:
I believe that GG made a point of saying he wouldn't restrict the gifted players and confining them to a box. Gaudreau is not struggling because of the system; he is struggling because he is trying to create offense with no support. Everytime he shoots from the top of the circle it's because there is no options. They are one-and-done and then back to the D-zone. By the time he sees the puck again, it's at the end of his shift.
One player that amazes me is Donskoi. That guy is super-fast. If we had a player like that with JH, we would see a lot of scoring chances.
I actually always thought that was how Gaudreau's line always played, only they had higher percentage scoring chances. It really looks like Monahan and Gaudreau have never played on the same line before.
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Isnt Johnson 27?
edit: checked, he is 30. Not terribly old. Even if he became serviceable for another 5-6 years it gives us time for the youngsters to age into their position.